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The Dan David Prize is a joint international enterprise, endowed by the Dan David Foundation and headquartered at Tel Aviv University - this year's award has been given to Tony Blair for international…
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
The Dan David Prize is a joint international enterprise, endowed by the Dan David Foundation and headquartered at Tel Aviv University - this year's award has been given to Tony Blair for international relations work.

Blair will give 90% of the money to his Tony Blair Faith Foundation. No report of where the extra $100,000 will go, but presumably it will be added to his growing pile of cash accumulated since leaving office.

Blair has 'earned' many millions of pounds, including salaries from plum director posts handed to him by grateful US corporations soon after stepping down in June 2007. Some estimates say this income has been circa. £15m.

The thing that bothers me most is the suspicion of links between decisions Blair made as Prime Minister and the rewards he been taken since stepping down. Anyone have links to any articles about this?
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7y, 10m agoPosted 7 years, 10 months ago
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#2
I'm not entering into a debate about religion here Liddle, but I cannot find any real evidence to support the ideals of Tony Blairs Faith Foundation. Because of this, I wonder where all the money is going to once it reaches the coffers of the organisation. I have my suspicions.
banned#3
Yawn.
banned#4
Predikuesi
I'm not entering into a debate about religion here Liddle, but I cannot find any real evidence to support the ideals of Tony Blairs Faith Foundation. Because of this, I wonder where all the money is going to once it reaches the coffers of the organisation. I have my suspicions.


It says that 'The Tony Blair Faith Foundation aims to promote respect and understanding about the world's major religions', so if you're a religious extremist you probably wouldn't understand.

I think he's actually quite sincere in his desire to do good. Might've helped if we knew when he was in office that he was quite so religious, although he's apparently been quite interesting to listen to at Yale.
#5
FilthAndFurry;5244912
It says that 'The Tony Blair Faith Foundation aims to promote respect and understanding about the world's major religions', so if you're a religious extremist you probably wouldn't understand.

I think he's actually quite sincere in his desire to do good. Might've helped if we knew when he was in office that he was quite so religious, although he's apparently been quite interesting to listen to at Yale.



Oh here is he is again, the idiot has woken up! Go back to sleep and rest that troubled head of yours.
#6
Predikuesi
I'm not entering into a debate about religion here Liddle, but I cannot find any real evidence to support the ideals of Tony Blairs Faith Foundation. Because of this, I wonder where all the money is going to once it reaches the coffers of the organisation. I have my suspicions.


Yes, agreed. This is not the place for another debate on (a)theism. Your question is a good one though - I wonder how transparent the TBFF is with its finances? And even if it is transparent, I have no doubt some of the $900,000 will find its way into Blair's pocket - even if only first class travel, luxury accommodation and fine dining on the way to speeches on behalf of the foundation. (And what an ego - if the foundation is about spreading and supporting faith, why does it need the words Tony Blair in the title?).
banned#7
Liddle ol' me
Yes, agreed. This is not the place for another debate on (a)theism. Your question is a good one though - I wonder how transparent the TBFF is with its finances? And even if it is transparent, I have no doubt some of the $900,000 will find its way into Blair's pocket - even if only first class travel, luxury accommodation and fine dining on the way to speeches on behalf of the foundation. (And what an ego - if the foundation is about spreading and supporting faith, why does it need the words Tony Blair in the title?).


Brand recognition.
#8
Liddle ol' me;5244921
Yes, agreed. This is not the place for another debate on (a)theism. Your question is a good one though - I wonder how transparent the TBFF is with its finances? And even if it is transparent, I have no doubt some of the $900,000 will find its way into Blair's pocket - even if only first class travel, luxury accommodation and fine dining on the way to one of his speeches on behalf of the foundation. And what an ego - if the foundation is about spreading and supporting faith, why does it need the words Tony Blair in the title?


Seems that the TFF majors on Malaria. A good enough intention, but I don't see why it has to be linked with "faith". The work could just as well survive without it. I have concerns when people add their names to foundations and organisations. Monument building I expect.
#9
FilthAndFurry
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I think he's actually quite sincere in his desire to do good. Might've helped if we knew when he was in office that he was quite so religious, although he's apparently been quite interesting to listen to at Yale.


I've no doubt he is a good speaker, and entertaining. But as Pred said, this thread is supposed to be about Blair and sleaze, in particular the huge amount of cash he has accumulated since leaving office.

Isn't he the epitome of the sleazy, money grabbing politician?
banned#10
Predikuesi
Seems that the TFF majors on Malaria. A good enough intention, but I don't see why it has to be linked with "faith". The work could just as well survive without it. I have concerns when people add their names to foundations and organisations. Monument building I expect.


Like CHRISTianity?
banned#11
Liddle ol' me
I've no doubt he is a good speaker, and entertaining. But as Pred said, this thread is supposed to be about Blair and sleaze, in particular the huge amount of cash he has accumulated since leaving office.

Isn't he the epitome of the sleazy, money grabbing politician?


No. That's Berlusconi.

I actually think he could've taken the Bush route into sitting on his behind for rest of his life but I personally feel that he's trying to atone for some of his perceived sins. There are safer, less deflating ways to spend your retirement than trying to bring peace to the middle east and engender respect amongst religions.
#12
FilthAndFurry;5244949
Like CHRISTianity?

You can't help yourself, can you? I suspect that you are mentally unstable and feel very sorry for you.
#13
Predikuesi
Seems that the TFF majors on Malaria. ]A good enough intention, but I don't see why it has to be linked with "faith". The work could just as well survive without it. I have concerns when people add their names to foundations and organisations. Monument building I expect.


Glad to see you make this point. I don't see the link either.

Monument building indeed. I suppose I feel so angry with Blair because I was one of those he fooled in 1997. Can't quite believe now how I viewed him then. Boy, was I naive! :roll:
banned#14
Predikuesi
You can't help yourself, can you? I suspect that you are mentally unstable and feel very sorry for you.


You're just being rude now. WWJD?
#15
Liddle ol' me;5244972
Glad to see you make this point. I don't see the link either.

Monument building indeed. I suppose I feel so angry with Blair because I was one of those he fooled in 1997. Can't quite believe now how I viewed him then. Boy, was I naive! :roll:


I suppose he thinks that he will make a name for himself in the history books as the person who solved the MiddleEast problems, but they will crush him as they have done with everyone else in the past. Didn't Clinton try something similar?
I have never liked Tony Blair. Always thought of him as sleazy :)
#16
FilthAndFurry

I actually think he could've taken the Bush route into sitting on his behind for rest of his life but I personally feel that he's trying to atone for some of his perceived sins. There are safer, less deflating ways to spend your retirement than trying to bring peace to the middle east and engender respect amongst religions.


And of course all of this has nothing to do with keeping the Tony Blair Money-Making Brand alive, right? The Blairs buying the mews house adjacent to the one they took a huge mortgage out on in Connaught Square - nothing to do with that? Or the children's private education? etc etc
#17
FilthAndFurry;5244995
You're just being rude now. WWJD?


WWJD? Why should you care!?

Being rude? Yes. You have your answer. I dislike people whose sole aim in life is to cause trouble, espeially those who think they are clever. Stop being obnoxious and I'll stop being rude with you. Deal or no deal?
banned#18
Liddle ol' me
And of course all of this has nothing to do with keeping the Tony Blair Money-Making Brand alive, right? The Blairs buying the mews house adjacent to the one they took a huge mortgage out on in Connaught Square - nothing to do with that? Or the children's private education? etc etc


I'd have thought he cared more about his legacy than money. If he really wanted to capitalise on his name and make money he could be earning far more. Maybe I'm naive but I don't think he's quite as selfish as some would make out.
#19
FilthAndFurry
I'd have thought he cared more about his legacy than money. If he really wanted to capitalise on his name and make money he could be earning far more. Maybe I'm naive but I don't think he's quite as selfish as some would make out.


I think both are extremely important to him, but he's milking one to make the other. Have you seen some of the directorships he has taken? Nothing to do with legacy (these are with big corporations). What they are about is them getting access to his political contacts in return for several hundred thousand pounds a year into his pocket... he probably only has to attend one meeting a year. I'll look for some details about this - have lost them since they were published in 2007.
#20
Here is a link to the complete mp expenses table, sorted by ascending total. My MP (whos been MP for over 20 years) is right down the bottom, taking 162k in expenses, more money than a prime minister earned. See where Tony Blair is...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm?table=total&order=asc#expensestable
#21
Liddle ol' me
Glad to see you make this point. I don't see the link either.

Monument building indeed. I suppose I feel so angry with Blair because I was one of those he fooled in 1997. Can't quite believe now how I viewed him then. Boy, was I naive! :roll:


i know little about TB or sleeze but feel that any support for worthwhile causes should not be disparaged without damm good reason..
As for the link between the malaria work and the fundamental aims of the TBFF if you read both the passage on the main page and slightly between the lines it becomes apparent.
The aim of the foundation is to promote the positive side to what various faith organisations can acheive.
With that in mind it has traditionally been very difficult to get some of these organisations to work together to achieve good works as suspicion etc of reciept of due credit gets in the way.
The strategy employed here is too have the central focus on an non religious organisation with one sole "good" aim in mind and have as many religious organisations contribute equally without the fear of all the credit going to organisations traditionally seen as the opposition.
#22
Tony Blair gets £500,000 per year for providing "strategic advice and insight" to Morgan, the US investment bank... (read: access to political contacts)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jan/11/politics.tonyblair
#23
maddogb;5245057
i know little about TB or sleeze but feel that any support for worthwhile causes should not be disparaged without damm good reason..
As for the link between the malaria work and the fundamental aims of the TBFF if you read both the passage on the main page and slightly between the lines it becomes apparent.
The aim of the foundation is to promote the positive side to what various faith organisations can acheive.
With that in mind it has traditional been very difficult to get some of these organisations to work together to achieve good works as suspicion etc of reciept of due credit gets in the way.
The strategy employed here is too have the central focus on an non religious organisation with one sole "good" aim in mind and have as many religious organisations contribute equally without the fear of all the credit going to organisations traditionally seen as the opposition.


I think we realise what he wants to accomplish, but surely he could do that better without the need of "faith"! It is almost as though he is using "faith" as a scapegoat for the future, when the Foundation does not reach its grand aims. I think the goals could be aimed at on a purely humanitarian level, then no one group could try to get the credit.

Tony Blair becomes a Catholic .... sets up Faith Foundation.... is he planning for sainthood?:)
#24
splatsplatsplat
Here is a link to the complete mp expenses table, sorted by ascending total. My MP (whos been MP for over 20 years) is right down the bottom, taking 162k in expenses, more money than a prime minister earned. See where Tony Blair is...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm?table=total&order=asc#expensestable


Thanks for the link :thumbsup: That's why I call TB the King of Sleaze. He milked the system the smart way, waiting until out of office to have his favours retuned.

My MP is 4th from bottom. This calls for a letter asking for an explanation from him:

Wallace, Mr Ben CON Lancaster & Wyre Total expenses claimed in 07/08 = £175,523 :shock:
banned#25
Predikuesi
I think we realise what he wants to accomplish, but surely he could do that better without the need of "faith"! It is almost as though he is using "faith" as a scapegoat for the future, when the Foundation does not reach its grand aims. I think the goals could be aimed at on a purely humanitarian level, then no one group could try to get the credit.


Maybe he thinks that religion has been a factor in some of the problems he's trying to solve. Why not try and use it to do some good in the future. Plus the guy is a Catholic so why shouldn't his faith be reflected in his organisations and it's Crusades, especially in the middle east?


Liddle ol' me
Tony Blair gets £500,000 per year for providing "strategic advice and insight" to Morgan, the US investment bank... (read: access to political contacts)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jan/11/politics.tonyblair


I don't really have a problem with that. Politicians always get directorships like this. Not all ex-politicians bother with 3-year terms at colleges like Yale. He could easily be earning more on the lecture circuit. If he is money-grabbing then he's not very good at it.
#26
FilthAndFurry
I don't really have a problem with that. Politicians always get directorships like this. Not all ex-politicians bother with 3-year terms at colleges like Yale. He could easily be earning more on the lecture circuit. If he is money-grabbing then he's not very good at it.


You fail completely to see how much of a money-grabber he is. He has earned circa £15,000,000 that we know of since June 2007 (and that's not counting 'donations' to his foundation, and doesn't account for income undeclared).

As for the lecture-circuit bit, you also misunderstand how astute this money-grabber is. He is on the lecture circuit, but the astute money-grabber knows the lecture circuit must be paced. It's a tiring job and fees one can command decrease the more you spread yourself around. He has spread himself for maximum financial benefit.

You really think the work he does is worth £7million plus a year?
#27
FilthAndFurry;5245133
Maybe he thinks that religion has been a factor in some of the problems he's trying to solve. Why not try and use it to do some good in the future. Plus the guy is a Catholic so why shouldn't his faith be reflected in his organisations and it's Crusades, especially in the middle east?


OK, if we can keep it to the subject at hand:)
What you say is very true and I can understand your point of view, but meddling with religion is a dangerous thing. Since the RC Church alone was behind the Crusades, would not the Muslim mind view TB's involvement as just that, another crusade? I think it would have been better to leave "religion" out of the equation. I do not believe that Blair has enough understanding (who has?) to solve the religious side of the Middle East problem.
#28
To help put this in perspective, Tony Blair has earned approximately £20,000 per day since leaving office in June 2007.

p.s. This doesn't account for the multiple expenses accounts he has attached to each of posts (and that includes the posts he holds primarily for status value).
banned#29
Liddle ol' me
You fail completely to see how much of a money-grabber he is. He has earned circa £15,000,000 that we know of since June 2007 (and that's not counting 'donations' to his foundation, and doesn't account for income undeclared).

As for the lecture-circuit bit, you also misunderstand how astute this money-grabber is. He is on the lecture circuit, but the astute money-grabber knows the lecture circuit must be paced. It's a tiring job and fees one can command decrease the more you spread yourself around. He has spread himself for maximum financial benefit.

You really think the work he does is worth £7million plus a year?


Not personally, but if I was in charge of a large financial institution then I may think he's a useful name to have on the board of directors.

He's an ex-3 term(ish) Prime Minister, one of the most famous men in the world and he scrubs up well. He was always going to earn a lot of money after he left office. I expect Obama will do much the same and Bill Clinton did the same before. I just happen to think that he's fairly earnest in what he has done since he has left office.
#30
Obviously its all irrelevant as somebody thinks Blair is worth this money otherwise they wouldn't pay him, and lets face it as for money grabbing, who in his position wouldn't?
As for milking the system? what system? he's on his own not payed by the state anymore so i just don't get that accusation.
#31
FilthAndFurry
I just happen to think that he's fairly earnest in what he has done since he has left office.


Oh, Blair has always been earnest, I would never deny that. But earnest in pursuit of what? My answer would be money and status, or at least too much emphasis on those things for someone who has made a career out of putting himself forward as righteous.

maddogb
Obviously its all irrelevant as somebody thinks Blair is worth this money otherwise they wouldn't pay him, and lets face it as for money grabbing, who in his position wouldn't? As for milking the system? what system? he's on his own not payed by the state anymore so i just don't get that accusation.


The 'market value' argument and the 'who in his position wouldn't' logic aren't things I buy tbh. They can be used to justify anything, and it doesn't take too much thought to transfer them across to the current debate about politicians expenses (and worse). And btw, there are many people who prioritise their lives according to different principles.

p.s. ethics and principles are never irrelevant
#32
is this not the Middle East 'peace envoy', i'd imagine this is a conflict of interests (no pun intended).

his partiality as a person in such a position, must surely be compromised with such gifts.
#33
rugger-tyke
is this not the Middle East 'peace envoy', i'd imagine this is a conflict of interests (no pun intended).

his partiality as a person in such a position, must surely be compromised with such gifts.


I think you mean his impartiality is compromised. But yes, I was wondering about this organisation too. It is based in Israel and has Henry Kissinger on the board, among others. Who is Dan David and what is his agenda? I haven't followed the money properly yet so don't know much about him, but it does appear to potentially problematic..
banned#34
It reminds me of a Russell Brand joke about fighting fire with fire.

Of course what the middle east needs to solve it's problems is more religion. It's so obvious.

In other news the cure for cancer turns out to be AIDS.
#35
FilthAndFurry
It reminds me of a Russell Brand joke about fighting fire with fire.

Of course what the middle east needs to solve it's problems is more religion. It's so obvious.

In other news the cure for cancer turns out to be AIDS.


:giggle:
#36
Liddle ol' me
Oh, Blair has always been earnest, I would never deny that. But earnest in pursuit of what? My answer would be money and status, or at least too much emphasis on those things for someone who has made a career out of putting himself forward as righteous.



The 'market value' argument and the 'who in his position wouldn't' logic aren't things I buy tbh. They can be used to justify anything, and it doesn't take too much thought to transfer them across to the current debate about politicians expenses (and worse). And btw, there are many people who prioritise their lives according to different principles.

p.s. ethics and principles are never irrelevant


so what exactly are you saying?
Believing your self to be a useful or beneficial person to an organisation who is willing to pay you xxxx amount you would refuse the money on no basis and instead go to dig wells in africa?, so why aren't you?
And really who are you to judge what another person should spend their life doing? whether it be pursuing money and status or helping charitable causes.
Whilst no blair-ite I congratulate him on not just sitting on his **** and doing nothing at all to help worthwhile causes even if the motivation is for status.
Or maybe you have some proof this is all just a scam to make more money?
#37
maddogb
so what exactly are you saying?
Believing your self to be a useful or beneficial person to an organisation who is willing to pay you xxxx amount you would refuse the money on no basis and instead go to dig wells in africa?, so why aren't you?
And really who are you to judge what another person should spend their life doing? whether it be pursuing money and status or helping charitable causes.
Whilst no blair-ite I congratulate him on not just sitting on his **** and doing nothing at all to help worthwhile causes even if the motivation is for status.
Or maybe you have some proof this is all just a scam to make more money?


No need to get carried away. If you think of these issues in terms of degree, then you won't need to resort to the 'dig a well in Africa' approach. :) I'm not claiming Tony Blair doesn't deserve to earn an income. But as I've said in previous posts, £20,000 a day spread among a host of different employers deserves to be questioned, as does this latest 'award' of $1m.

There is also the questionable connections between some of his multiple employers and exactly what he does for them to deserve the huge fees they pay him. Take the 500,000 from the US investment bank. It is worth questioning decisions he has taken and/or might still have some influence over in his political capacity and what connections these have with his private income. And remember the man is still a paid politician (under the guise of diplomat/envoy now) and exerts considerable political influence. These issues are worth exploring.

And did I mention he earns £20,000 per day + expenses? :p
#38
Liddle ol' me
No need to get carried away. If you think of these issues in terms of degree, then you won't need to resort to the 'dig a well in Africa' approach. :) I'm not claiming Tony Blair doesn't deserve to earn an income. But as I've said in previous posts, £20,000 a day spread among a host of different employers deserves to be questioned, as does this latest 'award' of $1m.

There is also the questionable connections between some of his multiple employers and exactly what he does for them to deserve the huge fees they pay him. Take the 500,000 from the US investment bank. It is worth questioning decisions he has taken and/or might still have some influence over in his political capacity and what connections these have with his private income. And remember the man is still a paid politician (under the guise of diplomat/envoy now) and exerts considerable political influence. These issues are worth exploring.

And did I mention he earns £20,000 per day + expenses? :p


Don't think i am getting as carried away as you, with somewhat dubious conspiracy theories and i am thinking in degrees, again more so than you because i realise that 20k per day +expenses is not a gross amount of money for someone who spent how many years running a country and has all that experience.
Especially when you consider there are some in this society who earn that for simply pouting at a camera or kicking a ball round...
#39
maddogb
Don't think i am getting as carried away as you, with somewhat dubious conspiracy theories and i am thinking in degrees, again more so than you because i realise that 20k per day +expenses is not a gross amount of money for someone who spent how many years running a country and has all that experience.
Especially when you consider there are some in this society who earn that for simply pouting at a camera or kicking a ball round...


Yes, fair enough. It may come across that way, but I don't see any conspiracy at all. But I do see someone who has made some highly dubious decisions, and someone whose personal finances are still a legitimate area of public concern. They still deserve inspection at least, otherwise we continue to link politics to excessive financial reward - whether that be in or immediately after holding office.

And I would still like to know more about this latest $1m award and what exactly Blair has done or will do in return for it. I doubt it comes with no strings attached, even if it they aren't formally acknowledged.

Btw, I agree that there are lots of overpaid professions. That's another moan! :w00t:

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