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Demon's Souls General Discussion (will contain spoilers)

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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
This thread is for general tips, discussions on Demon's Souls.

The idea is to help people over the initial difficulty shock and to ensure that they get the best equipment for their quest to rid the world of demons.

Please note that this thread will contain spoilers but hopefully not to the extent that the strategy guide which ships with the EU version of the game. Whilst the guide is brilliant, it could be considered to be too complete and may ruin the exploration process.
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#1
If you want an easier start use the royal.
#2
Not sure if this thread is going to useful but here goes.

The first level, 1-1 (the worlds are number 1-, 2- and so on). This level contains some of the best items for your quest.

Namely the two most important rings in the game and one of the best shields in the game.

Cling Ring: In the first level where you do not have your soul, after you get to the top of the castle, you will fight a blue demon knight that is right in front of a fog gate. Beat him then go past him, not into the fog gate, and go down the stairs, when you reach the bottom there will be a lever to open the gate and you will find the Cling Ring -- it lets you keep more health when in soul form.

Thief Ring:
After that first blue demon knight, go through the Fog gate, and you will come to some stairs and you will see over the ledge will be a gold knight (he is friendly and gives you rewards when you help him). Roll down the side of the stairs to the ledge and get to where he is. The Thief ring is behind him in the corner.

Be sure to equip the rings (obviously) otherwise they won't work. There are a maximum of two ring slots in your inventory.

The Flame shield. This is located by the dragons' nest. When you encountered the dragon on the bridge, run out (to get him to leave his nest) and then run back and to the right. Here you will find a number of items including the shield and another roosting dragon.
Be sure to be quick as the dragon will return.
Also you may want to finish up the level and come back to this bit ONCE you have opened the last gate...just in case you die whilst getting the items.
#3
As electriclinux says, the Royal is the best class for the first level because of the awesome soul arrow & mana regen ring.
It should be noted that once you have finished 1-1, there is a magic trainer who appears in the Nexus and will teach any character the soul arrow and other spells (as long as your intellience & magic are at level 10 or higher).
After the first level any character can be moulded into whatever you wish.

But you will need a catalyst to cast it (you hold this as your second weapon in your right hand, assuming that is where your sword is, then flick between them by pressing the right button on the d-pad.
The catalyst should be at the top of the first tower in 1-2, where the archers are.

Also the monumental character is located on the balcony and has a candle at his feet...in case any has trouble finding him.
#4
If anyone would like to see tactics differ in the first level between a Royal & a Knight...
Royal : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKmtUp3SpqU

Knight : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ddj9ilhTE
#5
1) Use the wiki guide at http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/ These guys that run the website also have written the UK strategy guide
2) Divide & conquer is the way to win at this game. Don't take on more than one enemy at a time, lure them out.
3) Spend souls when you can. I assume you are a fairly low level so, perhaps, those 8000 souls should have been spent to level up your character even if it means going back to the nexus before completing the level.
4) Avoid using the Stone of Ephemeral Eyes if you can. If you die then the world gets harder. I completed this game nearly always in soul form and didn't use assistance of any other player and never used the eyes (until later in new game+ when I wanted to darken a world, but thats another story). But I guess do whatever works for you.
#6
Cheers Andy - subscribed.

Used the tips about the cling and thief rings already, which are both going to be very helpful. I am keen to pick up the shield on the field in level 1-1, but for some reason, the red dragon seems quite content to sit on his backside and flame me if I try to get close. On my previous run through that level, he was attacking me when I crossed the bridge, but now he doesn't seem bothered. Any idea how I can get him to shift?
#7
Getting the regenerator ring and a dragon long sword early is very helpful.

The dragon needs to be killed on the bridge (takes 200-300 arrows with a good bow).
#9
aye oop Andy, thought i'd show my face in here - bit o' moral support an all that.. lol ( don't have the game yet - but it is a possibilty )
#10


I killed the dragon with the soul arrow, quite early in the game when my magic was weak. took me about 30 minutes i think, I wish I had waited till i was stronger.
#11
flamingcarrot
the red dragon seems quite content to sit on his backside and flame me if I try to get close. On my previous run through that level, he was attacking me when I crossed the bridge, but now he doesn't seem bothered. Any idea how I can get him to shift?

When you go onto the bridge it should trigger the dragon to leave his nest, then you should be able to run back.
As has been mentioned you can try and kill the dragon, but it will take time and perhaps too many arrows / magic that you can afford at the moment.
I would come back, when I played my first run through the game I didn't obtain the flame shield until much later so it isn't a must have at the moment but it is very useful.
#12
arcangel111
aye oop Andy, thought i'd show my face in here - bit o' moral support an all that.. lol ( don't have the game yet - but it is a possibilty )


Cheers dude. Check out some of the videos in this thread to see whether the game would appeal to you. The only thing I would say is that this ltd edition is class and at some point they will sell out and you can get it for £27 (including quidco) from Tesco Ent. using the 15% discount code.
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Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow.
#14
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When you go onto the bridge it should trigger the dragon to leave his nest, then you should be able to run back.
As has been mentioned you can try and kill the dragon, but it will take time and perhaps too many arrows / magic that you can afford at the moment.
I would come back, when I played my first run through the game I didn't obtain the flame shield until much later so it isn't a must have at the moment but it is very useful.


When I last played, the dragon wasn't coming to me when I walked across the bridge. I did come at the bridge from the 'wrong' direction though, so that may be the reason. I guess I will try it again from the correct way to see if the dragon shifts.
#15
flamingcarrot
When I last played, the dragon wasn't coming to me when I walked across the bridge. I did come at the bridge from the 'wrong' direction though, so that may be the reason. I guess I will try it again from the correct way to see if the dragon shifts.


Just read on another forum that if he is roosting that you can fire some arrows at him and eventually he will fly off. But it will take alot of arrows so probably best to kill him from the tower in 1-2 using the soul arrow, you will need alot of mana so bring lots of spice or wait until you are stronger plus have a ring called the clever rat (get it during 3-1). This increases damage by 30% when your health is 30% or lower.
When dead you can go back to 1-1 and get the stuff.

Note that you can manually zoom/aim the bow by pressing L1, which brings up the crosshairs, you can then change the zoom.
#16
Just got owned by the 1-2 boss. I took out all the archers, and was trying to attack his feet, as I read a message on the floor to that effect. Unfortunately his attacks took me out in two hits.

Oh, how I long for some ranged attacks............:whistling:
#17
I didn't have any grief with him and got him the first time because I just used my trustee soul arrow. Generally this game especially with respect to bosses is more difficult if you take a melee approach, magic & the bow are your friends.
Also 1-2 is one of the few levels that doesn't have shortcuts that you open up, so you'll have to replay the whole 1-2 again.
#18
I just got confirmation that my Black Phantom edition has been shipped. I can't wait to get cracking :-D

I'm definately a sword & shield/melee damage dealer, never found too much enjoyment in using spells or arrows for that matter but you can gurantee that i'll be asking for advice in the not too distant future. I guess i've got some catching up to do on you (Andy), carrot and booga. Roll on dark times!
#19
I haven't started the EU version yet but I was reading on the DS wiki that some person was saying that they had Platinum'd it already...took them 38 hours, obviously they had played it before (it took me 140 hours I think).

Melee is the more fun way to go but sometimes you just want the nightmare to end ...
and you wave the white flag and take the easy option.
http://forums.demonssouls.info/images/smilies/flag_of_truce.gif

My character was a Royal so a bit of weakling plus the armour / weapons is a bit lacking for that class at the beginning, but generally I do like the magic side of things.
#20
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Also 1-2 is one of the few levels that doesn't have shortcuts that you open up, so you'll have to replay the whole 1-2 again.


Thankfully it is quite a short level, with relatively easy opponents. Those dogs can be a handful though, if you don't pick them off one by one.

I need to pick up the Long Sword next I think, as my Halbard is a nightmare to use in small tunnels - I spend more time hitting the walls than the enemy.
#21
Patiently waiting for my copy to arrive, I noticed Booga on it for a while last night :thumbsup: I think i'll start as a knight... (read: already scheming) :p
#22
Druss I'm just about to start Dragon's Age...I hope it is good. Purchased it at xmas I think.
#23
lol according to my save file I've almost clocked in 8 hours of playtime however it embarrasses me to say that I have done very little progress since the first boss since I've been farming souls via Red Eye Knight.

Nonetheless I do intend on progressing it at some point - managed to buy the Evacuate miracle spell but as it stands I feel that it was a pointless purchase... perhaps when I get into a real pinch it'll prove it's worth.

I regret to also inform that I've been referring to the guide quite heavily though I don't quite understand the logic of jumping from one world to another (it suggests that after 1-1 go to 4-1 then 2-1... what?).

Anyway hope you are all having as much fun as I am,
Happy gaming,
Scar
#24
4-1 is pretty scary although if your magic is strong isn't so bad. Skeletons are weak to fire so go buy a flame toss spell, or even better complete 3-1 and get the soul ray spell (similar to soul arrow but stronger & quicker). 4-1 has a good bow & a good sword but can't say I went there that early on.
I found level 2 quite easy and 3 isn't so bad. 5-1 is good if your magic is strong.

Oh I wouldn't farm souls until 4-2 as it isn't a good use of your time. You use your evacuate spell for farming in this level, apart from that evacuate isn't really that useful and personally I wouldn't have blown 20k souls on it...I would have upgraded my character.....but whatever floats your boat I guess

With regards to jumping between worlds, after 1-1 you can do them in any order you want but you can't do the second part of a world before the first, ie you can't do 4-2 before 4-1. The logic of doing this is to obtain an item/spell, for example do 3-1 to obtain soul ray or 4-1 to obtain the bow & sword *OR* to meet characters, there is a dude in 4-2 who sells the hardest arrows in the game. Plus you may not have the abilities to complete a world.
#25
I kept trying to do level 5-1 last night, but was nailed time and again by the big goblin straight after the horrible plague infested rats. I just couldn't find space to dodge his attack in that little area.

I'm giving up on 5-1 for now, and going back to nail the Tower Knight boss on 1-2 later tonight. I have been struggling to get around the back of him - tried two or three times without success, but I watched a good YouTube video just now, which has given me hope/faith that I can beat him with melee attacks. He is one big old brute.

Quick question - if you die a second time without collecting your own bloodstain, does it remain there, even if you die/collect bloodstain again in another area? Just wondering, as I left about 5000 souls near the Tower Knight, but got distracted elsewhere.
#26
The big goblins are the worst enemy (except for bosses & the black world npcs), they don't like fire, I always used arrows to get rid of them. Just wait until you see a black world goblin then you will think Dead space is a nice fairytale.

One of the best spells, warding, can be obtained by using the tower knight soul. This spell greatly reduces damage but only lasts for 30s I think, enough time to kill a goblin. You will need an advanced magician to teach you, you can meet him in 3-1

There is only one bloodstain (across all worlds), your last one if you die before you get it then there is one bloodstain at the point, the other one has gone. If you get to the bloodstain then the one prior to that won't magically re-appear.
#27
Just got home to find my copy waiting for me :w00t: It's my turn to make the missus dinner but may get an hour or two later... I can't wait to get cracking!

With regard to Dragon Age Andy, I think it's a great game but I got huffy with it after the PS3 3.2 update around March as it kept locking up. Now I can't even get the game started but if you don't have any issues then you're gonna really enjoy it mate. I went with a dual-wield (axe+sword) build but that's because i'm melee crazy :viking: I may have to adapt my tactics for Demon's Souls me thinks :whistling:
#28
Just started D.Age, seems to be ok. It did need to download a patch though 1.02
#29
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There is only one bloodstain (across all worlds), your last one if you die before you get it then there is one bloodstain at the point, the other one has gone. If you get to the bloodstain then the one prior to that won't magically re-appear.


OK Andy, that makes sense, thanks. Next time I think I will have to stick at one boss until I have them cracked, or I am waving goodbye to lots of souls.

I am glad to hear that the large goblins are considered tough - it is not just my ineptitude. I will have to wail on them with a flaming longsword next time we meet - that is, if I can get a hit in before I am clubbed to death :oops:

@ Druss, I would love to see you wading in with a dual wield set up, it would certainly look impressive - unfortunately I don't think you would last too long. I seem to spend 90% of my time on Demon's Souls hiding behind my trusty Heater Shield, and even then I get nailed.........:whistling:
#30
Perhaps something like this eh Druss?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YOxfbUzwns&feature=related

PS. You may notice his health suddenly leap to 50%, that is because he is using a second chance spell (you get another chance at life but with 50% health). This is what I mean about this game getting easier, upgrade your character, learn more spells whilst the world around you stays static.
#31
What character class did you start with carrot and what kind of character are you going to build? Are you going melee or a mix of melee and ranged/magic? I'm thinking of starting as either a soldier or a royal but not ruling out the barbarian either because i'll be favouring melee attacks. Any advice Andy since I know you've had a couple playthoughs (and the Platinum trophy) already?

ps. Not sure about dual-wielding anything but shields fc :thumbsup:
#32
I started with the Royal but to be honest the starting class will only make a difference in the first level and after that the other classes can obtain the Royals' attributes and visa versa. See the videos I posted on the first page to see how you may tackle the first level depending on your character.

A platinum trophy will take at least 3 play-throughs if you cheat or 4 if you don't. It isn't really essential that you do anything in particular during the first round as you can always do it on the next go through. For the next game you keep everything except keys, the enemies become harder and you have to meet various characters again to be able to change your magic / miracle assortment, although you keep what you have until you meet them.

There is one thing for the platinum and that is world & character tendencies. The world can become whiter/darker as can you. To change your character towards whiter you need to kill XX number of black phantoms, you can kill the human invaders or what I did, the black NPCs (one per world). During the first playthrough these are alot easier to kill, I killed them all the first time through but struggled the next playthrough.
The state of worlds/you is maintained into the next game so if you failed by just one then you can just get them (or any of the others) on the next round. Unfortunately this happened to me because I actually wacked a good guy during the playthrough hence darkened my character.

Plus changing the world to pure white/black opens up areas & access to weapons/valuable stones which are required to get all the trophies.

It is quite tricky and I had to printout this webpage and tick off what I had.
http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/demons-souls/27095-demons-souls-trophy-guide.html
Didn't worry too much about them during the first playthrough.
#33
I have gone with the Templar Knight Druss, as I fancied a bit of Melee action, but with a little bit of extra pizazz. The guide said it was a good class, as dexterity is high, meaning I can use a variety of weapons, and I get to use 'miracles' too (just healing to begin with, but hopefully more interesting stuff later on).

I realised pretty early on that I am not going to beat this game without some ranged weapons, so frantically hunted around for a bow. I bought the crossbow to start with, which turned out to be pretty poop, but now I have a proper bow which I picked up from an archer that I hacked to pieces. The templar knight's Halbard is pretty cool, but useless in small areas.

To be honest, I am slightly regretting not going with a character that has a ranged magic attack, such as the Royal. Melee combat is fun, but boy is it tough, especially when you find yourself suddenly and unexpectedly surrounded by hordes of the undead. The bow is great for ranged/sniping attacks, but arrows run out quickly, and they don't come cheap......
#34
Hey Mr Carrot. You can get the soul arrow by talking to the magic trainer in the Nexus.
He appears after you have completed 1-1.

The compound long bow in 4-1 is one of the best and if you up the dexterity it becomes very cool....plus if you make it sticky (upgrade with spiderstone) then it becomes really cool.
Plus there is a person called Patches that you meet in 4-1 and again in 4-2 after which he appears in the Nexus, he sells hard arrows quite cheaply and they do alot of damage.

In the end my character had a really good sword (Cresent Kilij) but specialised in magic & my bow skills were the mutts.
#35
Cheers fellas... Royal it is then :thumbsup: For the 1st playthrough anyway!
#36
DrussTheLegend82
Cheers fellas... Royal it is then :thumbsup: For the 1st playthrough anyway!


Pussy http://forums.demonssouls.info/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif
Nah I'm just kidding, anyone who says Royal makes the game easier is lying , it only makes the first level easier. They do have the added benefit of the fragrant ring which regens mana but it quickly becomes redundant as it is too slow plus you stop wearing it in favour of other rings (you can only wear two at a time).
#37
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Pussy http://forums.demonssouls.info/images/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif
Nah I'm just kidding, anyone who says Royal makes the game easier is lying , it only makes the first level easier.


LOL! i'm just trying to emulate my DS hero capt. :p
#38
Ha ha. I literally laughed out loud then.
touché.
#39
Might have to print out that thread too [email protected] - the workarounds of beating the demons look extremely invaluable (and I'm too much of a coward to fight them head on!).

Since my last post I have slain the Armoured Spider and have killed 1 out of 3 crystal lizards which is disappointing. Using the Royalist class and levelled my luck from 7 to 12 so drops are relatively plentiful so far. Also the evacuate spell still feel redundant for I have no time to cast it before being killed.

Anyway will probably pass on playing it tonight for I feel slightly ill and therefore lack any mental endurance.

Happy gaming,
Scar

PS:
With that said for nightly reading material I have a "choice" of a book profiling children who kill or the Demon's Souls strategy guide...
Oh and [email protected] perhaps you can use this opportunity to get more BFBC2 ace pins during my absence. :p
#40
Scar I wouldn't push the luck level up any higher than that, I pushed mine to 20 I think and it was a complete waste of souls...plus there is talk of how it prevents you getting a precious stone for one of your trophies (Bladestone).
Not sure how true that is and it never made sense to me.

I would push your Intelligence up so you can caste more spells & can remember more (ie have more slots).
Also level up your magic which will make your spells stronger, I actually paid more attention here than with the Intelligence. What I would do is go to a level and shot an enemy and then see if their health was just about done in whatever number of shots, if it was close to killing them then I would level up the magic so when I went back to the world I would finish that enemy in one less spell cast...I also took this approach with the bow but levelled up my dexterity instead.
Plus doing any others that you feel need it (vitality etc..).

At some point try and do 3-1 to get the awesome soul ray spell. There are loads of short-cuts that you open on this level so if you die it isn't so bad....you will see what I mean when you go there.

The crystal lizards are tricky at this stage and I wouldn't worry too much about them.

Got to go Natalie Portman is on telly.

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