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Did We really land on Moon?

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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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Did We really land on Moon?

In the early hours of May 16, 1990, after a week spent watching old video footage of man on the Moon, a thought was turning into an obsession in the mind of Ralph Rene.

"How can the flag be fluttering?" the 47 year old American kept asking himself when there's no wind on the atmosphere free Moon? That moment was to be the beginning of an incredible Space odyssey for the self- taught engineer from New Jersey. He started investigating the Apollo Moon landings, scouring every NASA film, photo and report with a growing sense of wonder, until finally reaching an awesome conclusion: America had never put a man on the Moon. The giant leap for mankind was fake. It is of course the conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories. But Rene has now put all his findings into a startling book entitled NASA Mooned America. Published by himself, it's being sold by mail order - and is a compelling read. The story lifts off in 1961 with Russia firing Yuri Gagarin into space, leaving a panicked America trailing in the space race. At an emergency meeting of Congress, President Kennedy proposed the ultimate face saver, put a man on the Moon. With an impassioned speech he secured the plan an unbelievable 40 billion dollars.



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[FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]And so, says Rene (and a growing number of astro-physicists are beginning to agree with him), the great Moon hoax was born. Between 1969 and 1972, seven Apollo ships headed to the Moon. Six claim to have made it, with the ill fated Apollo 13 - whose oxygen tanks apparently exploded halfway being the only casualties. But with the exception of the known rocks, which could have been easily mocked up in a lab, the photographs and film footage are the only proof that the Eagle ever landed. And Rene believes they're fake. For a start, he says, the TV footage was hopeless. The world tuned in to watch what looked like two blurred white ghosts throw rocks and dust. Part of the reason for the low quality was that, strangely, NASA provided no direct link up. So networks actually had to film man's greatest achievement from a TV screen in Houston - a deliberate ploy, says Rene, so that nobody could properly examine it. By contrast, the still photos were stunning. Yet that's just the problem. The astronauts took thousands of pictures, each one perfectly exposed and sharply focused. Not one was badly composed or even blurred. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]As Rene points out, that's not all: The cameras had no white meters or view ponders. So the astronauts achieved this feet without being able to see what they were doing. There film stock was unaffected by the intense peaks and powerful cosmic radiation on the Moon, conditions that should have made it useless. They managed to adjust their cameras, change film and swap filters in pressurized suits. It should have been almost impossible with the gloves on their fingers. Award winning British photographer David Persey is convinced the pictures are fake. His astonishing findings are explained alongside the pictures on these pages, but the basic points are as follows: The shadows could only have been created with multiple light sources and,in particular, powerful spotlights. But the only light source on the Moon was the sun.

The American flag and the words "United States" are always Brightly lit, even when everything around is in shadow. Not one still picture matches the film footage, yet NASA claims both were shot at the same time. The pictures are so perfect, each one would have taken a slick advertising agency hours to put them together. But the astronauts managed it repeatedly. David Persey believes the mistakes were deliberate, left there by "whistle blowers" who were keen for the truth to one day get out. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]If Persey is right and the pictures are fake, then we've only NASA's word that man ever went to the Moon. And, asks Rene, "Why would anyone fake pictures of an event that actually happened?" The questions don't stop there. Outer space is awash with deadly radiation that emanates from solar flares firing out from the sun. Standard astronauts orbiting earth in near space, like those who recently fixed the Hubble telescope, are protected by the earth's Van Allen belt. But the Moon is to 240,000 miles distant, way outside this safe band. And, during the Apollo flights, astronomical data shows there were no less than 1,485 such flares. John Mauldin, a physicist who works for NASA, once said shielding at least two meters thick would be needed. Yet the walls of the Lunar Landers which took astronauts from the spaceship to the moons surface were, said NASA, about the thickness of heavy duty aluminum foil. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]How could that stop this deadly radiation? And if the astronauts were protected by their space suits, why didn't rescue workers use such protective gear at the Chernobyl meltdown, which released only a fraction of the dose astronauts would encounter? Not one Apollo astronaut ever contracted cancer - not even the Apollo 16 crew who were on their way to the Moon when a big flare started. "They should have been fried", says Rene. Furthermore, every Apollo mission before number 11 (the first to the Moon) was plagued with around 20,000 defects a-piece. Yet, with the exception of Apollo 13, NASA claims there wasn't one major technical problem on any of their Moon missions. Just one effect could have blown the whole thing. "The odds against these are so unlikely that God must have been the co-pilot," says Rene.

Several years after NASA claimed its first Moon landing, Buzz Aldrin "the second man on the Moon" was asked at a banquet what it felt like to step on to the lunar surface. Aldrin staggered to his feet and left the room crying uncontrollably. It would not be the last time he did this. "It strikes me he's suffering from trying to live out a very big lie," says Rene. Aldrin may also fear for his life.
Virgil Grissom, a NASA astronaut who baited the Apollo program, was due to pilot Apollo 1 as part of the landings build up. In January 1967, he hung a lemon on his Apollo capsule (in the US, unroadworthy cars are called lemons) and told his wife Betty: "If there is ever a serious accident in the space program, it's likely to be me." Nobody knows what fuelled his fears, but by the end of the month he and his two co-pilots were dead, burnt to death during a test run when their capsule, pumped full of high pressure pure oxygen, exploded. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]Scientists couldn't believe NASA's carelessness - even a chemistry students in high school know high pressure oxygen is extremely explosive. In fact, before the first manned Apollo fight even cleared the launch pad, a total of 11 would be astronauts were dead. Apart from the three who were incinerated, seven died in plane crashes and one in a car smash. Now this is a spectacular accident rate. "One wonders if these 'accidents' weren't NASA's way of correcting mistakes," says Rene. "Of saying that some of these men didn't have the sort of 'right stuff' they were looking."

NASA wont respond to any of these claims, their press office will only say that the Moon landings happened and the pictures are real. But a NASA public affairs officer called Julian Scheer once delighted 200 guests at a private party with footage of astronauts apparently on a landscape. It had been made on a mission film set and was identical to what NASA claimed was they real lunar landscape. "The purpose of this film," Scheer told the enthralled group, "is to indicate that you really can fake things on the ground, almost to the point of deception." He then invited his audience to "Come to your own decision about whether or not man actually did walk on the Moon." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]A sudden attack of honesty? You bet, says Rene, who claims the only real thing about the Apollo missions were the lift offs. "The astronauts simply have to be on board," he says, "in case the rocket exploded. It was the easiest way to ensure NASA wasn't left with three astronauts who ought to be dead." he claims, adding that they came down a day or so later, out of the public eye (global surveillance wasn't what it is now) and into the safe hands of NASA officials, who whisked them off to prepare for the big day a week later.
And now NASA is planning another giant step - Project Outreach, a 1 trillion dollar manned mission to Mars. "Think what they'll be able to mock up with today's computer graphics," says Rene Chillingly. "Special effects was in its infancy in the 60s. This time round will have no way of determining the truth.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[SIZE=2][FONT=Tahoma]9 SPACE ODDITIES:

1. Apollo 14 astronaut Allen Shepard played golf on the Moon. In front of a worldwide TV audience, Mission Control teased him about slicing the ball to the right. Yet a slice is caused by uneven air flow over the ball. The Moon has no atmosphere and no air.
2. A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16's Lunar Landerlifting off the Moon. Who did the filming?
3. One NASA picture from Apollo 11 is looking up at Neil Armstrong about to take his giant step for mankind. The photographer must have been lying on the planet surface. If Armstrong was the first man on the Moon, then who took the shot?
4. The pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football. The astronauts should have been puffed out like the Michelin Man, but were seen freely bending their joints.
5. The Moon landings took place during the Cold War. Why didn't America make a signal on the moon that could be seen from earth? The PR would have been phenomenal and it could have been easily done with magnesium flares.
6. Text from pictures in the article said that only two men walked on the Moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Yet the astronaut reflected in the visor has no camera. Who took the shot?
7. The flags shadow goes behind the rock so doesn't match the dark line in the foreground, which looks like a line cord. So the shadow to the lower right of the spaceman must be the flag. Where is his shadow? And why is the flag fluttering if there is no air or wind on the moon?
8. How can the flag be brightly lit when its side is to the light? And where, in all of these shots, are the stars?
9. The Lander weighed 17 tons yet the astronauts feet seem to have made a bigger dent in the dust. The powerful booster rocket at the base of the Lunar Lander was fired to slow descent to the moons service. Yet it has left no traces of blasting on the dust underneath. It should have created a small crater, yet the booster looks like it's never been fired. [/FONT][/SIZE]
#11
................yes I read this & was convinced we didn't :w00t: but who knows :?
#12
Thanks for that Snowtiger..interesting reading :)
#13
I never have believed it happened. I think I'll have to get hold of his book - it should be very interesting to a skeptic like me
#14
Kinda like the conspiracies surrounding 9/11..dunno what to believe especially after watching 'Loose Change' on Youtube..guess time will tell all truths :)
#15
The Americans did land on the moon, but the geniune stuff was mostly classified confidential materials for exclusive use. They did some mock ups for the general public and mass media consumption as they had to convince to the tax payers it was money well spent and politically worthwhile. After spending billions of dollars the government is not going to let the trade secrets known to every Tom , Dick and Harry on this planet including the rivals. The mock ups were especially made up for the mass population. The real stuff they kept to exclusive use for those who must have a need to know.
#16
thanks ST
#17
hmm interesting. thats some acusation to say Nasa meant to kill one of its ships crew tho...
#18
extremely interesting read - I have been to Kennedy Space Centre many times watched quite a few shuttle take offs and have always been facinated by this I am going again soon this time to 'have lunch with an astranaut' - perhaps Ill print this off and take it with me..............
Being a photographer myself the question 'who took the shot' always perplexed me too!
#19
Like splender said, they [NASA] could have created the photographs before/after the actual landing - for the public.

People like 'us' will never know the answer, so its best off not worrying about it!
#20
i dont recon they landed, but this looks like blimmin good read to me
banned#23
Compelling read.

Extremely eye-opening.

Rep added.
#24
They are the reflectors for the ongoing Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment measures the distance between the Earth and the Moon using laser ranging.
The experiment was first made possible by a retroreflector array installed on July 21, 1969, by the crew of the Apollo 11. Two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have contributed to the experiment.
#25
I want to know who actually planted the flag and who set up the camera equipment to record the "first steps" :thumbsup:
#26
far too much to read
#27
i dont believe it happened either. I dont believe its the only cover up either but i wont go into that.
banned#28
Believe it or not I've never been to the moon, I know... unbelievable.

I can only conclude that I don't have the knowledge required to come to my own conclusion, my choices are simply to believe NASA or this guy (probably others too).

Like ^ said I don't think Russia would sit back and let the USA take credit for a fake moon landing, although I have no idea if they would have been able to monitor the flights back then.

We live in a world where we want to believe in conspiracies, unfortunately / fortunately (delete as appropriate).
#29
As already stated, I believe they did land on the moon and they then took these pics as mock ups later just for the public and media.

Also it is true that there are measuring devices on the moon, planted by someone, a person in Southern America (Mexico maybe? Can't really rememvber) uses a laser to measure the distance from earth to the moon, he does this due to the reflectors on the surface on the moon, the distance is calculated by how long it takes the laser to hit these reflectors. Now if we never landed on the moon, how would these reflectors have been planted? Or maybe this measuring thing is one heck of a long on going cover up also?

Hmmm, I don't know.
banned#30
we'll soon find out either way when China get there. footprints etc should still be there.
#31
Flag fluttering. Only just placed in the ground, or one of the astronauts shook the pole before the footage to show the effect of the American flag.

The wat we are sure to know is when the Chinese get there, or even their fly past with their cameras would show us.
#32
Who cares? does it matter?
Im not going to even waste my time to think about it.

Am i surprised by it if it is a lie , no , our own Country tells use lies , so why would i be shocked at this :whistling:
#33
great post
banned#34
banned#35
A-n-d-y;2486766
Who cares? does it matter?
Im not going to even waste my time to think about it.

Am i surprised by it if it is a lie , no , our own Country tells use lies , so why would i be shocked at this :whistling:

Then why waste your time telling us you don't care? ;-)
#36
The problem with all these conspiracy theories is that they are merely theories because there is no actual hard evidence. I use to believe in a lot of them until recently. I have realised that no matter how careful or secretive any agency, government etc and so on are, there will be hard evidence leaked at some point. I mean most governments etc are useless with sensitive information so things as big as this, if faked, would of have been leaked ages ago. Damning evidence that no one can refute.

It is easier to accept a lie than to believe the truth. It is easier to say something is fake and dismiss than to believe it is real and what it actually means. Take 9/11 for example, why do so many people believe it was a conspiracy? Because its easier for them to believe that a government/secret agency or whatever, with massive man power killed their own people than to believe a handful of terrorists caused so much havoc with little more than pocket knives and an aeroplane ticket.
#37
csiman;2486819
Then why waste your time telling us you don't care? ;-)

Well it takes less time to write that then it does to think about if someone really landed on the moon :p
#38
octobergirl
Being a photographer myself the question 'who took the shot' always perplexed me too!


The pictures taken where there's an astronaut reflected but not holding a camera are because their cameras were mounted on their space suits. Imagine trying to use a camera when you're in a space suit! It's bad enough with gloves. Instead, cameras were mounted on their chests and they could only point the camera in the right direction and take a picture. NASA say there were a lot of poor quality photographs taken.

Monkeybumcheeks
I want to know who actually planted the flag and who set up the camera equipment to record the "first steps" :thumbsup:


The camera equipment for recording the "first steps" was mounted on the leg of the aircraft. That's why the video showing Niel Armstrong coming down the ladder and saying "one small step for man..." is side-on, alongside the space ship rather than looking AT the space ship.

The flag was planted once both astronauts were on the moon.
#39


....put to rest for you maybe...... but I still want to know who set the camera up that was used to capture the astronauts climbing out of the lunar module :?

OK,just seen duuckmagicuk2s reply,but that "aircraft" woul have to have some serious legs to capture the shot if the camera really was mounted on one of them!
#40
splender;2486238
The Americans did land on the moon, but the geniune stuff was mostly classified confidential materials for exclusive use. They did some mock ups for the general public and mass media consumption as they had to convince to the tax payers it was money well spent and politically worthwhile. After spending billions of dollars the government is not going to let the trade secrets known to every Tom , Dick and Harry on this planet including the rivals. The mock ups were especially made up for the mass population. The real stuff they kept to exclusive use for those who must have a need to know.


Agree with you there - I think they did land on the moon but with the political aspects of it they needed to make shots like this to convince the public...maybe they did take shots but they all turned out carp

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