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Philip Hammond just said the Government will continue to explore the appropriate tax treatment for diesel vehicles and will engage with stakeholders ahead of making any tax changes at Autumn B… Read More
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1m, 3w agoPosted 1 month, 3 weeks ago
Philip Hammond just said

the Government will continue to explore the appropriate tax treatment for diesel vehicles and will engage with stakeholders ahead of making any tax changes at Autumn Budget 2017


ergo, fuel price or VED hike for diesel vehicles in Autumn Budget
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on the radio this morning apparently 50% of all diesel drivers would be happy to trade in their cars for some sort of scrapage scheme or tax changes. Wonder who these 50% of drivers were as chat in the office suggested than none of us would want to take part. Where are we supposed to get the money from to buy a new car, we buy ours to last as long as they can, all being well they are sold only when they become expensive to fix, current car is 10 years old, 85K on it and worth a few grand but well looked after and like brand new. So I have to replace it with a petrol engine of the same value which I don't know its history or buy a new car for £20K sorry but that not going to happen.
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Im a diesel head and my 4.2 TDI running 400BHP already destroys my pockets. £515 tax a year. Achieving 6 to 22mpg around town and if lucky 30mpg on the motorway. Bill me all you like, i'll still be driving it though.

The root cause to this issue is our little tiny island being over populated.

Edited By: J4GG4 on Mar 09, 2017 02:12
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If they put diesel fuel up then everything goes up. Everything we buy at some point travels by road and as they can't make large fuel efficient petrol engines we will still have trucks fitted with diesel engines. It just shows how stupid the people who make our laws really are. I run a diesel car and have known about the NOX issues for years so why haven't the government done anything about it. In fact for many years they have pushed us towards buying diesels due to the VED reductions. I wonder why they did that.

Edited By: Smartguy1 on Mar 08, 2017 21:50

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banned#1
IV sold mine but want another one.
I would save £90 year on tax and get 150 more miles per tank compared to petrol.
so what is changing??
#2
sofiasar
IV sold mine but want another one.
I would save £90 year on tax and get 150 more miles per tank compared to petrol.
so what is changing??

They wont say, just that extra charges are coming...my guess is extra fuel duty and higher VED rates of £250 a year min on new Diesel vehicles

Edited By: Aeschylus on Mar 08, 2017 14:35
#3
Are diesel cars more polluting?
1 Like #4
only just got mine,but its 14 year old motor anyway,relatively new to driving,and defo new to diesel looks like i made a mistake then if were getting shafted
i cant change car on my insurance yet either.
1 Like #5
I drive a Renault Clio (2015) which does over 80mpg, the petrol equivalent does 55mpg. As I fill up every week (I do a lot of miles) even if they added £200 a year road tax to diesel cars it still wouldn't justify me changing to petrol. Although me and my dad looked at the figures recently, the omissions from my Clio are less than his Merc A180 Petrol.
1 Like #6
It was a tory govt that persuaded many to go diesel and now they want to blame others and punish those who rely on them
4 Likes #7
sowotsdis
It was a tory govt that persuaded many to go diesel and now they want to blame others and punish those who rely on them

and watch the sudden increase in petrol car prices as places realise there is easy money to be made
#8
They surely won't punish people who already have one since multiple previous governments told us to get them..

Likely VED on new cars will go sky high and probably offer a decent scrappage on older models
#9
Just got a peugeot 5008 66 plate 1.6 bluehdi. VED £30.00 a year.Euro 6 engine.
Euro emissions standards for diesel cars
CO NOx PM
0.50 0.080 0.005
Euro emissions standards for petrol cars
CO NOx PM
1.0 0.060 0.005
So close why all the moaning.
1 Like #10
The only fair way would be to tax new Diesel cars to reduce the popularity. Getting everyone to sell their diesel car does not reduce the existing stock.... if you sell, someone is buying and still using. Just going to make diesel cars cheaper......and therefore more attractive. Putting fuel prices up will punish transport which relies on diesel .... every seen a petrol based delivery truck?? Creating a fire sale of diesels just means I can't sell my car and buy an equivalent petrol as my diesel car is now worthless. Oh the joys.
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sowotsdis
It was a tory govt that persuaded many to go diesel and now they want to blame others and punish those who rely on them

It was a Labour government in 2001 which overhauled the tax system to favour diesel cars and subsidised companies who bought diesel vehicles.
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winifer
They surely won't punish people who already have one since multiple previous governments told us to get them..
Likely VED on new cars will go sky high and probably offer a decent scrappage on older models
depends how they do the scrappage i guess,if its cash off new then i and i imagine plenty of other are just being ignored,id never buy a new car-not that i could afford to anyway,but if they want to cover what i paid for mine to scrap it then i would happily
1 Like #13
davewave
Are diesel cars more polluting?

Yes and no. Compared to a petrol engine of equivalent power diesels emit higher levels of particulates but less Carbon Dioxide. 15-20 years ago Carbon Dioxide was seen as the bigger problem hence the push for people to use diesel, now the opposite is the case and we're all being told petrol is better for the environment than diesel.

With improving DPF technology potentially reducing the levels of particulates to a level similar to petrol engines in the future I can easily see the whole thing going full circle so in 15 years or so we'll all be told diesel=good, petrol=bad due to CO2.

Edited By: spoo on Mar 08, 2017 15:02
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davewave
Are diesel cars more polluting?

not as polluting as buses!

Edited By: eslick on Mar 09, 2017 07:23: typo
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on the radio this morning apparently 50% of all diesel drivers would be happy to trade in their cars for some sort of scrapage scheme or tax changes. Wonder who these 50% of drivers were as chat in the office suggested than none of us would want to take part. Where are we supposed to get the money from to buy a new car, we buy ours to last as long as they can, all being well they are sold only when they become expensive to fix, current car is 10 years old, 85K on it and worth a few grand but well looked after and like brand new. So I have to replace it with a petrol engine of the same value which I don't know its history or buy a new car for £20K sorry but that not going to happen.
#16
It is not a wise idea to buy into diesel. They have been discussing for years the impact of it and what should be done. A lot of countries are putting up congestion charges on diesel cars and some cities in the world you can't even drive a diesel car through. They reckon diesel will be dead in the next 10 to 20 years.
#17
They do this every couple of years, to many people have purchased diesels lately and they need to keep petrol pump sales balanced to diesel, in another few years when demand for diesel drops they will decide diesels are cleaner again.
#18
davewave
Are diesel cars more polluting?


Define polluting.

NOx and particulates yes. CO2 not necessarily. The former have a tangible impact on public health right now.
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davewave
Are diesel cars more polluting?

Its really down to N0X which is the main reason why diesel never took off in the USA. It was always a laugh as the US would say "we have the tightest emissions laws on cars in the world" before tottering off in there V8's!

But it was in part true, N0X is harmful at the point of emission. I often posted on here, but few ever understood the joke of taking care of your kid, driving them to school in the morning in your diesel car and then dropping them off, driving away filling there lungs with N0X!

Might as well have a ciggie with the kids with the windows up and AC off ;) Although you will get a fine if you get caught these days!

So yes, you sit there and get poisoned by N0X which causes cancer, breathing issues etc. C02 of course, as we know does stuff to the environment, like make a thicker field of gas around the earth that heats the planet up etc.

One causes issues for those in low land communities, the other is a huge burden on the NHS budget ;):p

Edited By: groenleader on Mar 08, 2017 15:39
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RossD89
sowotsdis
It was a tory govt that persuaded many to go diesel and now they want to blame others and punish those who rely on them
It was a Labour government in 2001 which overhauled the tax system to favour diesel cars and subsidised companies who bought diesel vehicles.
blasphemy, Labour good, Tory bad.
#21
davewave
Are diesel cars more polluting?
The fumes are a carcinogen as bad as asbestos, and in city's theirs a higher concentration of deisel vehicles and pedestrians inhale the sooty fumes all day long. This goes to their lungs and causes cancer. Likewise if your in driving regularly in traffic jams your inhaling all that **** and so are your kids greatly increasing the risk of developing cancer.

Cancer research- dirty diesels
#22
groenleader
davewave
Are diesel cars more polluting?
Its really down to N0X which is the main reason why diesel never took off in the USA. It was always a laugh as the US would say "we have the tightest emissions laws on cars in the world" before tottering off in there V8's!
But it was in part true, N0X is harmful at the point of emission. I often posted on here, but few ever understood the joke of taking care of your kid, driving them to school in the morning in your diesel car and then dropping them off, driving away filling there lungs with N0X!
Might as well have a ciggie with the kids with the windows up and AC off ;) Although you will get a fine if you get caught these days!
So yes, you sit there and get poisoned by N0X which causes cancer, breathing issues etc. C02 of course, as we know does stuff to the environment, like make a thicker field of gas around the earth that heats the planet up etc.
One causes issues for those in low land communities, the other is a huge burden on the NHS budget ;):p
lol about the USA having tighter controls......

Have you seen the many "rolling coal" videos?

example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBQFnUgv37c
1 Like #23
**** persuaded me to buy diesel & cited x, z, z reasons for doing so!

They're all full of manure!

Edited By: niceroundpound on Mar 08, 2017 15:58
banned#24
I don't think diesel will be a no , no yet.
1 Like #25
sowotsdis
It was a tory govt that persuaded many to go diesel and now they want to blame others and punish those who rely on them
Actually the rush to diesel was in the mid 2000s when road tax was linked to co2 output.
#26
bigwheels
Just got a peugeot 5008 66 plate 1.6 bluehdi. VED £30.00 a year.Euro 6 engine.
Euro emissions standards for diesel cars
CO NOx PM
0.50 0.080 0.005
Euro emissions standards for petrol cars
CO NOx PM
1.0 0.060 0.005
So close why all the moaning.
Its more to do with our health than environmental.

When diesel burns inside an engine it releases two potentially cancer-causing things: microscopic soot particles, and chemicals called ‘polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons’, or PAHs. According to Phillips, there are three possible ways these can cause cancer:

“Firstly, inhaled PAHs could directly damage the DNA in the cells of our lungs – leading to cancer.

“Secondly, the soot particles can get lodged deep inside the lungs, causing long-term inflammation, and thirdly this can increase the rate at which cells divide. So if any nearby lung cells pick up random mutations, this inflammation could, theoretically, make them more likely to grow and spread.

“Diesel exhaust may be carcinogenic by a combination of these effects – we know the particles are coated with the PAHs, delivering them deep into the lungs where they get stuck and, potentially, cause damage. I should stress, though, that we don’t know for certain which of these mechanisms is most important in practice.”
#27
sowotsdis
It was a tory govt that persuaded many to go diesel and now they want to blame others and punish those who rely on them

I realise its on trend to blame everything from Brexit to the weather on the Tories however......

In 2001, Gordon Brown – introduced lower vehicle tax for diesel cars on the basis they were less polluting and would bring down overall carbon dioxide levels.
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Suppose we'll have horses pulling freight barges along canals then! Let's face it, the whole world's land and sea freight runs on diesel as does the bulk of world agriculture and construction. Diesel is far from dead, just needs more money and research throwing at it to reduce pollutants.
#29
gazdoubleu
Suppose we'll have horses pulling freight barges along canals then! Let's face it, the whole world's land and sea freight runs on diesel as does the bulk of world agriculture and construction. Diesel is far from dead, just needs more money and research throwing at it to reduce pollutants.
Well it wouldn't be such a bad idea, we want to create jobs so why not put humans and horses back on the job and use those canals gifted to us.
1 Like #30
Taxes should be decided on mileage first and size of vehicle after, Taken off the Mot readout and billed accordingly.
Or a much simpler way would be to add a transaction charge at the pump paid directly to government so the more you use the more you pay. Simples.
#31
The rubbish that my petrol kicks out when cold puts diesels to shame, burns through about 3 litres of oil per 1000 miles lol. Really need to replace it.
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If they put diesel fuel up then everything goes up. Everything we buy at some point travels by road and as they can't make large fuel efficient petrol engines we will still have trucks fitted with diesel engines. It just shows how stupid the people who make our laws really are. I run a diesel car and have known about the NOX issues for years so why haven't the government done anything about it. In fact for many years they have pushed us towards buying diesels due to the VED reductions. I wonder why they did that.

Edited By: Smartguy1 on Mar 08, 2017 21:50
#33
Moonwolf1976
gazdoubleu
Suppose we'll have horses pulling freight barges along canals then! Let's face it, the whole world's land and sea freight runs on diesel as does the bulk of world agriculture and construction. Diesel is far from dead, just needs more money and research throwing at it to reduce pollutants.
Well it wouldn't be such a bad idea, we want to create jobs so why not put humans and horses back on the job and use those canals gifted to us.[/quoAmazon Prime next day deli
Moonwolf1976
[quote=gazdoubleu] Suppose we'll have horses pulling freight barges along canals then! Let's face it, the whole world's land and sea freight runs on diesel as does the bulk of world agriculture and construction. Diesel is far from dead, just needs more money and research throwing at it to reduce pollutants.
Well it wouldn't be such a bad idea, we want to create jobs so why not put humans and horses back on the job and use those canals gifted to us.
If you say so. Amazon Prime guaranteed next fortnight delivery anyone?
1 Like #34
Dont worry diesel owners after they hike prices which may seem like you would save more with petrol, only once you have switched they will announce a hike for petrol owners, mind games.
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MR1123
Dont worry diesel owners after they hike prices which may seem like you would save more with petrol, only once you have switched they will announce a hike for petrol owners, mind games.

Makes you wonder how our government are "influenced" by big business. What makes me laugh though is 30 years ago my 2 litre petrol car did about 30mpg round town. I used my dad's 1.6 litre C max petrol for a while and even driving it steady I couldn't get any more than 31mpg out of it and driving as I normally do it did 28mpg. Technology hasn't moved on that much in making large cars more fuel efficient. I am sure they could make engines more fuel efficient and back then there wasn't the electronic gizmo's we have today. Electric cars are never going to work until such time as they can be made cheaply and have batteries that will last before needing a re-charge and it's not like electric is a cheap source of energy is it.

Maybe the government should put pressure on the fuel industry to make fuel less toxic when burnt. No doubt there is something around the corner that has been kept quiet but if that means total re-design of engines it's not like the car industries are just going to throw all their engines away. Whilst governments may be concerned about engine emissions money is usually more important.

Edited By: Smartguy1 on Mar 08, 2017 23:18
#36
gazdoubleu
Moonwolf1976
gazdoubleu
Suppose we'll have horses pulling freight barges along canals then! Let's face it, the whole world's land and sea freight runs on diesel as does the bulk of world agriculture and construction. Diesel is far from dead, just needs more money and research throwing at it to reduce pollutants.
Well it wouldn't be such a bad idea, we want to create jobs so why not put humans and horses back on the job and use those canals gifted to us.[/quoAmazon Prime next day deli
Moonwolf1976
[quote=gazdoubleu] Suppose we'll have horses pulling freight barges along canals then! Let's face it, the whole world's land and sea freight runs on diesel as does the bulk of world agriculture and construction. Diesel is far from dead, just needs more money and research throwing at it to reduce pollutants.
Well it wouldn't be such a bad idea, we want to create jobs so why not put humans and horses back on the job and use those canals gifted to us.
If you say so. Amazon Prime guaranteed next fortnight delivery anyone?
:D
#37
Smartguy1
If they put diesel fuel up then everything goes up. Everything we buy at some point travels by road and as they can't make large fuel efficient petrol engines we will still have trucks fitted with diesel engines. It just shows how stupid the people who make our laws really are. I run a diesel car and have known about the NOX issues for years so why haven't the government done anything about it. In fact for many years they have pushed us towards buying diesels due to the VED reductions. I wonder why they did that.

Nonsense.

Fuel costs for an arctic of goods adds a tiny miniscule amount to the goods.

You're talking fractions of a penny for a loaf of bread

Edited By: eset12345 on Mar 09, 2017 00:00
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Moonwolf1976
davewave
Are diesel cars more polluting?
The fumes are a carcinogen as bad as asbestos, and in city's theirs a higher concentration of deisel vehicles and pedestrians inhale the sooty fumes all day long. This goes to their lungs and causes cancer. Likewise if your in driving regularly in traffic jams your inhaling all that **** and so are your kids greatly increasing the risk of developing cancer. Cancer research- dirty diesels

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I find it weird how Cancer Research spend £millions finding out what CAUSES cancer (i.e. EVERYTHING!!), yet in their decades of "research" they still haven't found a cure? oO
#39
eset12345
Smartguy1
If they put diesel fuel up then everything goes up. Everything we buy at some point travels by road and as they can't make large fuel efficient petrol engines we will still have trucks fitted with diesel engines. It just shows how stupid the people who make our laws really are. I run a diesel car and have known about the NOX issues for years so why haven't the government done anything about it. In fact for many years they have pushed us towards buying diesels due to the VED reductions. I wonder why they did that.
Nonsense.

Fuel costs for an arctic of goods adds a tiny miniscule amount to the goods.

You're talking fractions of a penny for a loaf of bread

I don't know, you cant get much in an "arctic" truck, maybe some snow shoes and a tent but then again, whos going to buy the goods anyway, Polar bears don't have pockets!! :p
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Im a diesel head and my 4.2 TDI running 400BHP already destroys my pockets. £515 tax a year. Achieving 6 to 22mpg around town and if lucky 30mpg on the motorway. Bill me all you like, i'll still be driving it though.

The root cause to this issue is our little tiny island being over populated.

Edited By: J4GG4 on Mar 09, 2017 02:12

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