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I just bought a petrol car luckily but I have a van for business, not happy about paying more tax to run my business, hope they have concessions for small businesses. Read More
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6m, 3w agoPosted 6 months, 3 weeks ago
I just bought a petrol car luckily but I have a van for business, not happy about paying more tax to run my business, hope they have concessions for small businesses.
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lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
I'd agree but when you are informed by car manufacturers, car media and government that diesel cars are a better option then you can't blame Joe Public for buying wrong.

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#1
Link? Rumour? Hearsay?
2 Likes #3
diesels are for tractors and boats.
2 Likes #4
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
What about vans?
2 Likes #5
remember when they used to put lead in petrol for school kids to breathe in whilst skipping along to assembly...money always comes before public health
2 Likes #6
airfix
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
What about vans?
You could always stick your tools in the back of that clapped out old Alfa of yours & save yourself a few quid? X)

Edited By: OldEnglish on Nov 03, 2016 12:55
7 Likes #7
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
I'd agree but when you are informed by car manufacturers, car media and government that diesel cars are a better option then you can't blame Joe Public for buying wrong.
2 Likes #8
IMHO if you are a diesel owner and your vehicle was purchased before 2015 then you should be able to claim back any additional costs regarding emissions
If you own a diesel car and wish to sell it again the government and car manufacturer should stump up any loss caused by the fake sales pitch.

But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns.
#9
Is this the same government that was recommending only a few years ago (& just like Europe) that be chose diesels then upped the duty on them because they were more economical?
#10
philphil61
IMHO if you are a diesel owner and your vehicle was purchased before 2015 then you should be able to claim back any additional costs regarding emissions
If you own a diesel car and wish to sell it again the government and car manufacturer should stump up any loss caused by the fake sales pitch.

But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns.

I own a 10 year old diesel which does less than 3,000 miles per year & I have to pay the same road tax & insurance
as a car that does 50,000 so I feel that I am already being penalized now.
1 Like #11
OldEnglish
airfix
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
What about vans?
You could always stick your tools in the back of that clapped out old Alfa of yours & save yourself a few quid? X)
I wouldn't want to put over the impression I'm making too much money!
#12
Key words here are "EU limits". And we bought our diesels in error (based on VW info in my case).
#13
landros1
philphil61
IMHO if you are a diesel owner and your vehicle was purchased before 2015 then you should be able to claim back any additional costs regarding emissions
If you own a diesel car and wish to sell it again the government and car manufacturer should stump up any loss caused by the fake sales pitch.
But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns.
I own a 10 year old diesel which does less than 3,000 miles per year & I have to pay the same road tax & insurance
as a car that does 50,000 so I feel that I am already being penalized now.
You are being penalised and I feel for you (hence my statement)
It's just like PPI claims - you were miss sold based on all the information given at the time and you should be able to claim back your losses.

Years ago I had a secondhand diesel Ford Escort - lovely car - took me to Edinburgh and around Scotland then back home with little expense on fuel but would I buy another diesel car no
#14
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D
3 Likes #15
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D

Aaaaah, happy days :)
1 Like #16
airfix
OldEnglish
airfix
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
What about vans?
You could always stick your tools in the back of that clapped out old Alfa of yours & save yourself a few quid? X)
I wouldn't want to put over the impression I'm making too much money!
Come close to buying a Brera a few weeks ago, but the mrs had other plans. :(
2 Likes #17
no one has mentioned this is because of another EU rule.
#18
eslick
no one has mentioned this is because of another EU rule.
Yes, in post #12
#19
eslick
no one has mentioned this is because of another EU rule.
Moreover, the important bit, this rule has its origins globally in peoples' wish for cities clean air and also anti-pollution measures. The other important bit, we don't need politicians to tell us we need clean air. We know what clean air is.
#20
But I have a diesel clio which is congestion charge free due to low emissions, now confused
1 Like #21
DarkEnergy2012
remember when they used to put lead in petrol for school kids to breathe in whilst skipping along to assembly...money always comes before public health


happy days,
playground equipment coated with lead paint, concrete and broken glass at the bottom of a slides.
poor but happy.
#22
philphil61
landros1
philphil61
IMHO if you are a diesel owner and your vehicle was purchased before 2015 then you should be able to claim back any additional costs regarding emissions
If you own a diesel car and wish to sell it again the government and car manufacturer should stump up any loss caused by the fake sales pitch.
But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns.
I own a 10 year old diesel which does less than 3,000 miles per year & I have to pay the same road tax & insurance
as a car that does 50,000 so I feel that I am already being penalized now.
You are being penalised and I feel for you (hence my statement)
It's just like PPI claims - you were miss sold based on all the information given at the time and you should be able to claim back your losses.
Years ago I had a secondhand diesel Ford Escort - lovely car - took me to Edinburgh and around Scotland then back home with little expense on fuel but would I buy another diesel car no

"But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns."
#23
katg
But I have a diesel clio which is congestion charge free due to low emissions, now confused

Modern diesels have particulate filters.
#24
eslick
no one has mentioned this is because of another EU rule.
What's your point? Do you not agree that cleaner air is a good thing?
#25
FatalSaviour
eslick
no one has mentioned this is because of another EU rule.
What's your point? Do you not agree that cleaner air is a good thing?

you need to come on misc more :)my point is that any mention of the EU would bring out the moaners, clearly they think air is more important which is a good thing to us all.

Edited By: eslick on Nov 03, 2016 14:39
#26
landros1
philphil61
landros1
philphil61
IMHO if you are a diesel owner and your vehicle was purchased before 2015 then you should be able to claim back any additional costs regarding emissions
If you own a diesel car and wish to sell it again the government and car manufacturer should stump up any loss caused by the fake sales pitch.
But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns.
I own a 10 year old diesel which does less than 3,000 miles per year & I have to pay the same road tax & insurance
as a car that does 50,000 so I feel that I am already being penalized now.
You are being penalised and I feel for you (hence my statement)
It's just like PPI claims - you were miss sold based on all the information given at the time and you should be able to claim back your losses.
Years ago I had a secondhand diesel Ford Escort - lovely car - took me to Edinburgh and around Scotland then back home with little expense on fuel but would I buy another diesel car no
"But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns."
And as you stated you got your diesel car 10 years ago and therefore you should claim back any premiums for entering a city << it's not your fault unless you failed to ensure your car was serviced/fixed
1 Like #27
deeky
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D
Aaaaah, happy days :)
lol, I noticed you liked Oldenglish's joke, I think the golf estate would be ideal for a tradesman though, mine being a hatchback;)
#28
airfix
deeky
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D
Aaaaah, happy days :)
lol, I noticed you liked Oldenglish's joke, I think the golf estate would be ideal for a tradesman though, mine being a hatchback;)

How's it going? Are you happy with it?
#29
deeky
airfix
deeky
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D
Aaaaah, happy days :)
lol, I noticed you liked Oldenglish's joke, I think the golf estate would be ideal for a tradesman though, mine being a hatchback;)
How's it going? Are you happy with it?
Yes, very pleased with it, attracts lots of attention, very quick, got a couple of rattles but will get them sorted. How's the golf R ?
1 Like #30
airfix
deeky
airfix
deeky
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D
Aaaaah, happy days :)
lol, I noticed you liked Oldenglish's joke, I think the golf estate would be ideal for a tradesman though, mine being a hatchback;)
How's it going? Are you happy with it?
Yes, very pleased with it, attracts lots of attention, very quick, got a couple of rattles but will get them sorted. How's the golf R ?

Love it. Coincidentally I've got a rattle, sounds like one of the rear light clusters. I'm just on the verge of taking it back, it's driving me mad X)
1 Like #31
deeky
airfix
deeky
airfix
deeky
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D
Aaaaah, happy days :)
lol, I noticed you liked Oldenglish's joke, I think the golf estate would be ideal for a tradesman though, mine being a hatchback;)
How's it going? Are you happy with it?
Yes, very pleased with it, attracts lots of attention, very quick, got a couple of rattles but will get them sorted. How's the golf R ?
Love it. Coincidentally I've got a rattle, sounds like one of the rear light clusters. I'm just on the verge of taking it back, it's driving me mad X)

I get told off for driving round and round carparks and supermarkets trying to find a safe parking spot X)
#32
airfix
deeky
airfix
deeky
airfix
deeky
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D
Aaaaah, happy days :)
lol, I noticed you liked Oldenglish's joke, I think the golf estate would be ideal for a tradesman though, mine being a hatchback;)
How's it going? Are you happy with it?
Yes, very pleased with it, attracts lots of attention, very quick, got a couple of rattles but will get them sorted. How's the golf R ?
Love it. Coincidentally I've got a rattle, sounds like one of the rear light clusters. I'm just on the verge of taking it back, it's driving me mad X)
I get told off for driving round and round carparks and supermarkets trying to find a safe parking spot X)

I just park where it's empty if there is anywhere.
#33
philphil61
landros1
philphil61
landros1
philphil61
IMHO if you are a diesel owner and your vehicle was purchased before 2015 then you should be able to claim back any additional costs regarding emissions
If you own a diesel car and wish to sell it again the government and car manufacturer should stump up any loss caused by the fake sales pitch.
But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns.
I own a 10 year old diesel which does less than 3,000 miles per year & I have to pay the same road tax & insurance
as a car that does 50,000 so I feel that I am already being penalized now.
You are being penalised and I feel for you (hence my statement)
It's just like PPI claims - you were miss sold based on all the information given at the time and you should be able to claim back your losses.
Years ago I had a secondhand diesel Ford Escort - lovely car - took me to Edinburgh and around Scotland then back home with little expense on fuel but would I buy another diesel car no
"But I agree that diesel vehicles (and high polluting (unserviced/petrol guzzlers)) should be banned or charged a premium to enter cities/towns."
And as you stated you got your diesel car 10 years ago and therefore you should claim back any premiums for entering a city << it's not your fault unless you failed to ensure your car was serviced/fixed

Thanks,we have agreement on the fact that many people then & now were miss sold an ideal (like the recent emissions scandal).
My car is of little monetary value but is just sooooooo reliable being a Honda.
1 Like #34
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
How can you drive a boat in to the city ? oO
1 Like #35
WheresMeNuts
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
How can you drive a boat in to the city ? oO

In Venice?
#36
airfix
WheresMeNuts
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
How can you drive a boat in to the city ? oO
In Venice?
Ahh soooooooooo true X)
#37
All cities, or just the ones people actually care about? Can't read the article, it's pay walled.
#38
moneysavingkitten
All cities, or just the ones people actually care about? Can't read the article, it's pay walled.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/02/diesel-vehicles-face-charges-after-uk-government-loses-air-pollution-case

WheresMeNuts
lumsdot
diesels are for tractors and boats.
How can you drive a boat in to the city ? oO
I can't think of one in this country offhand where you couldn't
yes I can St Davids X)
#39
London, Leeds, Birmingham to name a few cities in the UK that I've 'driven' my narrow boat into :3
#40
Mark2111
High fuel costs, rising insurance prices - won't be long before we see a return to the horse and cart! :D


They still use them around these parts of the country!

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