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Digital SLR Camera Help Please!

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8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
Hi there,

I am looking into getting a digital SLR in the coming weeks and wondering which cameras people would recommend. I've just seen the two deals on the Canon 400D and 450D which look good. I am also familiar with the layout of my friend's 350D, so that might make it easier. Also, does anyone know if the 450D is worth the extra money?

Also, does anyone have any experience with the Sony A200 or Samsung GX10? I have between £300 and £500 to spend really. Any other cameras that people would recommend would be nice to know about too.

Thanks!
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8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
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#1
Get the 450D over the 400D, its the newer model basically. More megapixel, bigger screen, live view, more functions and a whole heap of goodness. Im not saying the 400D is a bad camera, its just the 450D is better.

Ive played with the A100 a bit, apparently the A200 is pretty good but i cant comment. From what i remember of the A100 it had a heap of great features but the image quality was poor compared to the others, and was only bought by people that liked sony stuff or owned a Minolta. But the A200 might have made up for these short comings.

Nikon have, or are about to, release the D90 to replace the D80, now this might be out of your price bracket, but it also will drive down the price of the D80, which is an AWESOME camera. The lens that comes with the D80 is far superior to the Canons.

The advantage of getting a Canon is that you and your friend can swap and change lenses with each other, theres also loads of third party lenses avalible.

The best possible advice i can give is to get instore and have a go with how they handle etc, the canons will be very similar to your friends 350D, but you might prefer the others.

For image quality, search Flickr with the camera name, there will be 1000's of exampes.
#2
Thanks. The 450D is about £200 more expensive than the 400D. Is it really worth that?
1 Like #3
any digital SLR can take amazing pics. a £150 second hand off fleabay canon 10d pic below

http://www.azcolt.com/images/animals0106_2005.jpg

It always make me laugh people are more bothered about how many FPS or Megapixels than actully taking pics. Like boys with cars mine does 0-200 in 23.3423 seconds, but they never drive them near their capability

get a good deal not the next best thing.
#4
i don't see a picture...

edit....now i do.
#5
I'm getting the 400D this weekend. With the Canon cashback (£45) and a friends tesco discount it works out at about £280. As you woint get the discount you can use tesco clubcard and get £10 of clubcard points (£40 in deals).

Every shop ive been to has said to get the 400D as a beginner. The live view etc on the 450D looks cool but i think then i would start taking shots like im holding a point and click camera.
#6
Well, its the brand new model, I know shops have only had them in recently, so the price will always start that much higher, the 400D was a similar price when it was released. Whether its worth it is subjective, are you prepared to spend that much on it?
At this point in time, financially speaking, the 400D is the best value, the amount of extra gear you will get with difference (lense, memory card, case, and then some)
#7
mrplay
any digital SLR can take amazing pics. a £150 second hand off fleabay canon 10d pic below


It always make me laugh people are more bothered about how many FPS or Megapixels than actully taking pics. Like boys with cars mine does 0-200 in 23.3423 seconds, but they never drive them near their capability

get a good deal not the next best thing.


10D was a quality camera! you could take time lapse photos with it, its a bit of a beast though...

Most of the quality with a DSLR comes down to the lense, if you can pick up a 400D for £280, then run out and buy a £300 Canon L series lense and never look back.
#8
I cant vouch for the 450d but im sure its mint, ive had the 400d plus some add-ons for over a year and absolutely love it. no matter what i try and do it always takes a first class picture. and if you can get it for £280 id snap it up!!
#9
Most SLR owners probably never take off the original lens, and shoot with an automatic setting on.
#10
Most SLR owners probably never take off the original lens, and shoot with an automatic setting on.


Its a sorry state, they should at least own one of these beautys.

Canon 50mm
#11
#12
I am pretty set on getting a Canon I think, but I still can't decide on the 400D or 450D. I've heard the kit lens that comes with the 450D is much better than the one that comes with the 400D. Obviously, I would have more money for lenses if I bought the 400D though. What would people do!?

Also, if I do go for the 450D, is it worth getting it for just under £500 on the deal on here, or waiting a few months. The price probably won't much below that I don't think, as most retailers seem to be asking over £600 as it is.

Thanks for all your help so far...just a bit more please!
#13
when i got the 400d i got the kit lens, 300 lens and battery pack for £697 i think, the kit lens with the 450d gets excellent reviews! my 400d took about 6 months if not more to really drop in price so for £500 the 450d is a steal!! if only i had the money id be getting one too!!!
#14
well that seems a pretty good price for it, im not sure it'll drop much below that for a while, and if it does its not going to be by a huge amount.

The 18-55 looks like the standard canon one, its not a bad lens, and will tide you over nicely until you upgrade it. I def recommed that 50mm at some point though, its the best £65 you''ll ever spend.

:EDIT: actually, the kit lens has IS, which does make it superior.

However, the 400D for £280 is an absolute steal.

Im not sure what i would do, i would probley go for the 400D and buy a phat lense...:whistling:
#15
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This might help.
#16
I think it really depends on what you intend to shoot with your camera. I have a 40D and Liveview was the reason i upgraded to it from the 30D. For Macro/ still life it works a treat. If you're intending to use it for portrait/ landscape etc, then I think a 400D is a superb camera in its own right.

And remember its just not the investment in the camera you have to make but the glass too. The 50mm 1.8 that Jonster recommended is a must buy. For the price you just can't go wrong.

Good luck with your purchase.
#17
I will be hoping to take a variety of pictures, but not really still life close ups. A lot of it will probably be landscape based.

Ideally I will want the body to last for a few years at least. Image Stabilisation seems like a very good feature, and the 450D is the only one that comes with that as standard on the lens. Is there any point looking at the Sony A200 which I believe has built in IS when using any glass. That is available for a similar price to the 400D. I would however lose the possibility of sharing Canon glass with my friend who owns the 350D. Sony are also soon to bring out the A300 and A350. Anyone know anything about those? I'm still interested in the Samsung GX10 actually. It is supposedly very similar to a Pentax K10d, and there is in fact a new GX20 due out very soon. Not sure on the cost of that though. Any further help would be appreciated!

Thanks for the link Jonster, most helpful, even if it did just confuse me more. I do think I will buy that 50mm 1.8 if I get a Canon. Is it cheapest at Amazon?

I may need to wait until June to buy, but just to summarise, if anyone has any particular views on any of the following cameras (I've also put down the included lenses and price), please put them here:

Sony A200 - £332.36 - 18-70mm lens
Sony A300 - unknown
Sony A350 - unknown

Canon 400D - £334.00 - EF-S 18-55mm (Original John Lewis deal where it was £300 now expired!)
Canon 450D - £508.00 - 18-55mm (with IS)

Samsung GX10 - £399.99 - 18-55mm
Samsung GX20 - unknown

Oh and one more I forgot about,

Olympus E510 - £369.99 - 14-42mm or £439.95 with both 14-42mm and 40-150mm lenses.


Apologies for long and confusing message....it's late.
#18
The main feature of the Sony A350 is the liveview system, it uses a second sensor in the viewfinder chamber which means you get a 'proper' liveview mode with standard AF and no shutter lag. There's been a lot of good previews of the camera although the Sony mount isn't cheap nor are lenses readily available.

With regards to the Canon cameras, if you can share lenses with someone else I think this is a major plus and would definitely sway my decision that way. The Canon cameras are also very good so you can't really go wrong there. As for the 400D vs 450D, it partially depends on what you want to do lens wise, if you're wanting to stick with the kit lens then I think the 450D is a better choice as IS is definitely worth having. I'd probably be looking more towards the 450D if you're going to stick with the body as that way you're not going to be tempted into a premature upgrade.

The GX10 is a K10D basically, there's very little difference in them apart from a slightly different menu interface and their grips are not compatible. I would assume the GX20 will be the Samsung version of the Pentax K20D. The main Pentax advantage is their prime lenses and the best legacy lens support of any manufacturer although their zoom lens range is not so great.

Personally I'm a 4/3 user and have a good selection of the Olympus cameras including the E-510, E-1, E-3, E-330, E-500 plus the Panasonic DMC-L1. The E-510 dual lens kit is very good value for money as the Olympus kit lenses are the bet on the market and you get coverage from 28-300mm in two small lightweight lenses which are stabilised thanks to the onboard IS in the E-510. The downsides are that the smaller sensor isn't so good at high ISO and the E-510 at default suffers from reduced DR although setting it up correctly makes a huge difference. The main problem for me with Olympus is simply the lack of lenses both new and secondhand, while many of the Olympus lenses are very good quality you do pay a lot for it. With the 70-300mm it's not so bad at the moment but there's little in the way of primes and no affordable wide angle lenses. With Olympus being a smaller player the availability of lenses on the second hand market is definitely a lot more limited than the likes of Nikon/Canon.

Just my 2p worth, nothing more.

John
#19
The Canon 450D deal has sold out at Dixons now!

Remember the 450D has liveview and the 400D does not
#20
Johnmcl7
There's been a lot of good previews of the camera although the Sony mount isn't cheap



Not sure I totally understand what you mean by this... Sorry, am only just getting into the DSLR market.

I went into Jessops today to look at cameras, and I really think the Sony A350 or Canon 400D/450D are the nicest options. The person in there said the Sony A200 is quite good too?

Thanks again everyone.
#21
No need to apologise, something to bear in mind when buying an SLR camera is that the body is only one part, you have to consider the system as a whole which includes lenses, flashes and other accessories. I've read a lot of good write-ups for the Sony A350 particuarly but I think you need to give consideration to any possible future purchases by looking at lens prices as well.

I did like the look of the Sony A100 as it had onboard IS but I found their lens range to be pricey, Olympus do have similar issues (just forked out 1200 quid for a decent wide angle) but at least they have high quality kit lenses.

John
#23
this is a deal on the 400d going through quidco will make this £251

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/173209/canon-eos-400d-digital-slr-camera-1/
#24
Jonster;1867998
10D was a quality camera! you could take time lapse photos with it, its a bit of a beast though...

Most of the quality with a DSLR comes down to the lense, if you can pick up a 400D for £280, then run out and buy a £300 Canon L series lense and never look back.

L lens for £300, somehow i dont think so....cheapest pro lens is about £460 eg 17-40, most are around £800-1200, some are £1200-5000...im just about to get the 24-70 which is about £700 (rrp £1300 tho!)
#25
evilskanker;1880854
Not sure I totally understand what you mean by this... Sorry, am only just getting into the DSLR market.

I went into Jessops today to look at cameras, and I really think the Sony A350 or Canon 400D/450D are the nicest options. The person in there said the Sony A200 is quite good too?

Thanks again everyone.


jessops are a **** camera company
#26
evilskanker;1872337
I will be hoping to take a variety of pictures, but not really still life close ups. A lot of it will probably be landscape based.

Ideally I will want the body to last for a few years at least. Image Stabilisation seems like a very good feature, and the 450D is the only one that comes with that as standard on the lens. Is there any point looking at the Sony A200 which I believe has built in IS when using any glass. That is available for a similar price to the 400D. I would however lose the possibility of sharing Canon glass with my friend who owns the 350D. Sony are also soon to bring out the A300 and A350. Anyone know anything about those? I'm still interested in the Samsung GX10 actually. It is supposedly very similar to a Pentax K10d, and there is in fact a new GX20 due out very soon. Not sure on the cost of that though. Any further help would be appreciated!

Thanks for the link Jonster, most helpful, even if it did just confuse me more. I do think I will buy that 50mm 1.8 if I get a Canon. Is it cheapest at Amazon?

I may need to wait until June to buy, but just to summarise, if anyone has any particular views on any of the following cameras (I've also put down the included lenses and price), please put them here:

Sony A200 - £332.36 - 18-70mm lens
Sony A300 - unknown
Sony A350 - unknown

Canon 400D - £334.00 - EF-S 18-55mm (Original John Lewis deal where it was £300 now expired!)
Canon 450D - £508.00 - 18-55mm (with IS)

Samsung GX10 - £399.99 - 18-55mm
Samsung GX20 - unknown

Oh and one more I forgot about,

Olympus E510 - £369.99 - 14-42mm or £439.95 with both 14-42mm and 40-150mm lenses.


Apologies for long and confusing message....it's late.



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http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/cat1.html
#27
Madferrit;1871857
I think it really depends on what you intend to shoot with your camera. I have a 40D and Liveview was the reason i upgraded to it from the 30D. For Macro/ still life it works a treat. If you're intending to use it for portrait/ landscape etc, then I think a 400D is a superb camera in its own right.

And remember its just not the investment in the camera you have to make but the glass too. The 50mm 1.8 that Jonster recommended is a must buy. For the price you just can't go wrong.

Good luck with your purchase.


agreed re: the 50mm....cant go wrong for £60ish

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