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DLA to PIP costing £750m to save (steal) £105m from those most in need

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and the sheep believe the government is saving the tax payer, by getting work shy peeps back in to work This is a total scam Read More
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and the sheep believe the government is saving the tax payer, by getting work shy peeps back in to work

This is a total scam
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OP, DLA and PIP are not means tested. You could live in a mansion and run a multi national business and qualify for DLA/PIP. Conversely you could be unemployed living in temporary accommodation and not qualify. It's all to do with your health, not your wealth.
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eset12345
not an issue IMO, i've been saying for years that benefit rates should be harmonised, either decrease disability / sickness benefits, or increase unemployment benefits.
I fail to see why just because you are sick or disabled you should get more, and lets not forger, it's only being decrease for those in the work related group, ir those that are deemed to be able to return to work, so its only right their rates should be on par with unemployed rates.

none of those I have been involved with were over paid, "earning" more than if they were employed, and I question the validity of skills of those deeming these people fit for work, but with DLA I know of 8 very serious cases of ppl who were deemed fit for work and also remember that those carrying out the assessments are on performance pay £60 extra for every one they take off or reduce benefit to.

The BBC did an excellent expose of the way these were being done

stop being a sheep and look into it see what is really happening
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The British take any old shOite the government throws at them . Pensions in the UK are ridiculously low , yet the micro managed media has people calling for an end to bus passes , winter fuel , etc . unemployment benefit/jsa/esa or whatever is ludicrously low , yet people are despised for claiming it, fuelled by TV such as "Benefit Street" . Why don't they do a documentary behind the gated communities of tax avoiders ? . What has the government done about Google paying £25m tax on an £8billion turnover .. Nothing ... It's easier to whack the defenceless .
These measures are designed to save £100m a year .. Yet a few months ago the NHS failed to collect a similar amount from health tourists , but this was dismissed as "a drop in the ocean" .
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miles136
none of those I have been involved with were over paid, "earning" more than if they were employed, and I question the validity of skills of those deeming these people fit for work, but with DLA I know of 8 very serious cases of ppl who were deemed fit for work and also remember that those carrying out the assessments are on performance pay £60 extra for every one they take off or reduce benefit to.The BBC did an excellent expose of the way these were being done stop being a sheep and look into it see what is really happening

Like the man who was diagnosed as terminally ill being forced into a long term sick seminar at the job centre and when it was question time the man asked
"Why have you asked me to come here I'm dying"
To be told
"Well we can offer retraining"

Yes I know there's the scammers who get benefits and blue badges who don't deserve it and I hope they rot in hell but there are real people who for whatever reason are being penalised because the government wants to cut back on the welfare budget and it's the government, press and sheepeople who have no real understanding of what life is really like for those disabled and/or in need.

If only the government forced the rich and the corrupt businesses to pay proper tax the £105m saving (if you believe those figures) will seem insignificant.

Yes get the benefit cheats
Yes get the disability scammers
Yes get all those unscrupulous people cooking the books for financial gain but include the rich and the corporates.

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More disgraceful behavior from the Government
2 Likes #2
it has been going on for bout a year, if you do not lose your benifts they are being cut by £30 per week, and no support to adjust or appeal
2 Likes #3
it will cost £750m to complete up from the first estimate of £500m and will save £105m pa and could end up being £850m great for the American and French company who are getting paid to do this
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not an issue IMO, i've been saying for years that benefit rates should be harmonised, either decrease disability / sickness benefits, or increase unemployment benefits.

Edited By: eset12345 on Apr 21, 2017 00:42
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eset12345
not an issue IMO, i've been saying for years that benefit rates should be harmonised, either decrease disability / sickness benefits, or increase unemployment benefits.
I fail to see why just because you are sick or disabled you should get more, and lets not forger, it's only being decrease for those in the work related group, ir those that are deemed to be able to return to work, so its only right their rates should be on par with unemployed rates.

none of those I have been involved with were over paid, "earning" more than if they were employed, and I question the validity of skills of those deeming these people fit for work, but with DLA I know of 8 very serious cases of ppl who were deemed fit for work and also remember that those carrying out the assessments are on performance pay £60 extra for every one they take off or reduce benefit to.

The BBC did an excellent expose of the way these were being done

stop being a sheep and look into it see what is really happening
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miles136
none of those I have been involved with were over paid, "earning" more than if they were employed, and I question the validity of skills of those deeming these people fit for work, but with DLA I know of 8 very serious cases of ppl who were deemed fit for work and also remember that those carrying out the assessments are on performance pay £60 extra for every one they take off or reduce benefit to.The BBC did an excellent expose of the way these were being done stop being a sheep and look into it see what is really happening

Like the man who was diagnosed as terminally ill being forced into a long term sick seminar at the job centre and when it was question time the man asked
"Why have you asked me to come here I'm dying"
To be told
"Well we can offer retraining"

Yes I know there's the scammers who get benefits and blue badges who don't deserve it and I hope they rot in hell but there are real people who for whatever reason are being penalised because the government wants to cut back on the welfare budget and it's the government, press and sheepeople who have no real understanding of what life is really like for those disabled and/or in need.

If only the government forced the rich and the corrupt businesses to pay proper tax the £105m saving (if you believe those figures) will seem insignificant.

Yes get the benefit cheats
Yes get the disability scammers
Yes get all those unscrupulous people cooking the books for financial gain but include the rich and the corporates.
#7
No body believes the government is trying save money at all, its simply the distribution of tax money from the many to the few.

We got great things after WW2 because the toffs knew if they didn't reward the united peoples of this country they would have a massive riot on their hands, possibly even overthrown,. They had to show thanks for the hardships the people endured while they coward in bunkers.

After that of course they slowly started trying to claw things back to the pre 1900s, starve the poor and reward the rich, unemployment, disability, health these are all just money making opportunities. To be able to do what they are doing they had to spend along time turning brother against brother sowing the seeds of discontent and envy among those at the bottom, i do not believe that the people are sheep fooled by the governments lies, i believe they are all just nasty and vote tory out of spite due to years of being conditioned to do so by the media.

Its a slow process of brainwashing the tactics used to create our current social thinking comes from Russia its these seeds of distrust among peers that need gotten rid of as that allows governments to do anything they like. The Nazi party did a similar thing only instead of convincing the people everyone else was getting better then them they convinced them they where wonderful and everyone else (other races) wanted to dilute that and stuffle their achievements.

Edited By: Error440 on Apr 21, 2017 07:09
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The government couldn't get people off DLA without a huge fuss, so they 'improved it' by turning in into PiP and forced everyone to reapply. The system is massively weighted against anyone getting PiP by the way it's managed by ATOS.
The reports produced are mostly a work of fiction and leave out anything covered in the interview that might allow a chance to get PiP awarded.
There's is no transparency in the interview process. People are not allowed to record the interview unless the person brings in their own dual cassette or CD recorder ( http://www.atoshealthcare.com/pip/faq_view/recording_my_consultation ) and gives ATOS at least 48 hours notice.
If you challenge the result of the interview the DWP will take months to reconsider, but will have stopped your DLA while they do!
Most challenges are dismissed out of hand, so you then have to go to a tribunal where (surprise, surprise) most results for none payment are reversed !

A government (any government of any party) should be judged on how it treats the most vulnerable in society, this government has failed in so many areas it's amazing that anyone can still defend them...

Edited By: steve1221 on Apr 21, 2017 08:06: edit
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And to think there are many previous ukip voters who are now going to vote conservative simply because they believe May will then give us a full on brexit. May wants a full term so really she can deliver a soft brexit and the cons not get voted out in 2 years time.

Edited By: POWYSWALES on Apr 21, 2017 07:55
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OP, DLA and PIP are not means tested. You could live in a mansion and run a multi national business and qualify for DLA/PIP. Conversely you could be unemployed living in temporary accommodation and not qualify. It's all to do with your health, not your wealth.
#11
POWYSWALES
And to think there are many previous ukip voters who are now going to vote conservative simply because they believe May will then give us a full on brexit. May wants a full term so really she can deliver a soft brexit and the cons not get voted out in 2 years time.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/5gw0VWGbgNm8w/200.webp#3-grid1
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OllieSt
OP, DLA and PIP are not means tested. You could live in a mansion and run a multi national business and qualify for DLA/PIP. Conversely you could be unemployed living in temporary accommodation and not qualify. It's all to do with your health, not your wealth.

This is why we need reform, I've never voted Conservative in my life, but I believe DLA should be means tested (maybe not at the same rates as JSA etc but some should be taken into account).
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The problem arises that realistically if someone is taken off dla and told to get a job, what employer is going to go near them? Which means they will just end up on unemployment benefit.
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The British take any old shOite the government throws at them . Pensions in the UK are ridiculously low , yet the micro managed media has people calling for an end to bus passes , winter fuel , etc . unemployment benefit/jsa/esa or whatever is ludicrously low , yet people are despised for claiming it, fuelled by TV such as "Benefit Street" . Why don't they do a documentary behind the gated communities of tax avoiders ? . What has the government done about Google paying £25m tax on an £8billion turnover .. Nothing ... It's easier to whack the defenceless .
These measures are designed to save £100m a year .. Yet a few months ago the NHS failed to collect a similar amount from health tourists , but this was dismissed as "a drop in the ocean" .
1 Like #15
OllieSt
OP, DLA and PIP are not means tested. You could live in a mansion and run a multi national business and qualify for DLA/PIP. Conversely you could be unemployed living in temporary accommodation and not qualify. It's all to do with your health, not your wealth.

That's the point though. DLA was all about a persons health. PIP is about forcing people off benefits altogether regardless of their health. It's purely a cynical move to save public funds and never mind the problems that, that creates for people.
#16
Its an absolute disgrace what the government are doing to the disabled, however if it gets my bone idle brother in to work then it cant be all bad.
1 Like #17
splatsplatsplat
OllieSt
OP, DLA and PIP are not means tested. You could live in a mansion and run a multi national business and qualify for DLA/PIP. Conversely you could be unemployed living in temporary accommodation and not qualify. It's all to do with your health, not your wealth.
This is why we need reform, I've never voted Conservative in my life, but I believe DLA should be means tested (maybe not at the same rates as JSA etc but some should be taken into account).


If you can't walk 20m un-aided surely your wealth should play no part on any award given. If 2 people have the same 20m walking issue, pay them the same.

If it stops both from working, then there are other benefits which can be awarded which will then take into account on your personal financial situation. It's at that stage that the wealthier person will not be applicable to make a claim whilst the poorer person could.
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123thisisme
Its an absolute disgrace what the government are doing to the disabled, however if it gets my bone idle brother in to work then it cant be all bad.
Quite right .. There is always going to be a hard core workshy group of people and this needs dealt with on a one to one basis . Kicking every vulnerable group in society is not the answer .. It's the easy way out .
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plodging
123thisisme
Its an absolute disgrace what the government are doing to the disabled, however if it gets my bone idle brother in to work then it cant be all bad.
Quite right .. There is always going to be a hard core workshy group of people and this needs dealt with on a one to one basis . Kicking every vulnerable group in society is not the answer .. It's the easy way out .

It was stated in Parliament a few weeks back (by an oppression MP, who had the numbers from the DWP) that the percentage of false and fraudulent claims is .8 of 1%
So why do the DWP treat everyone as if they are in that .8?
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All these tax payer funded private foreign company troughers leaching billions where first introduced by the Labour party with Atos, A french incompetent trougher with no morals or humanity whatsoever or any of its evil complicit employees. It has now morphed into Maximus, Another American foreign thief troughing enterprise continuing the evil waste of taxpayers money, wasting hundreds of millions if not billions on failed It programs, It programs are the code words for high end corruption and theft from the public purse, Utterely disgusting the whole lot of it is and why these huge amounts of money are being leached out is a direct threat to all our wellbeings as individuals, while the political class and business thief privateers laugh in our faces, All these pure evil contracts need to be ended fast and the monies used to help lift people with a universal basic income and give them a basic dignity. All this health assessment **** was managed and should continue to be decided by your Gp and social worker, It is directly undermining our health professionals for private company profit. It is beyond disgusting and utterely immoral. We should not stand for this at all as people.
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eset12345
not an issue IMO, i've been saying for years that benefit rates should be harmonised, either decrease disability / sickness benefits, or increase unemployment benefits.
A carer, pensioner or sick person should get 16 x minimum wage via HMRC (ie a universal minimum), housing benefit needs abolished along with the DWP, local authority housing made a national body with a £100 maintenance monthly lifted from universal tax (any savings or debit balance pay for home improvements not numerous other gov bodies that cost to run and fund) those over personal tax allowance contribute a further 1 x minimum wage for future building & 1 x admin of a national housing agency (capped at Universal Tax Credit rate)

We plough DWP entire budget (that includes Housing Benefit as only the council only administer it for the DWP to pay it) ongoing into the new National Housing agency for BUILDING homes, schools & hospitals in local areas only. Why a NHS surgery and childrens home is not built on every school site makes NO sense, its time.

Everyone pays £100 minimum on benefits or work for housing.

Whilst I am at it, social workers reapply for their jobs as family protection POLICE officers and get paid police rates - not local authority overinflated rates.

Governmental pensions become national body the same rates as Workplace pensions.

There are a million different things 5 million public servant could have changed to make the system better, but these SERVANTS living in a nice house in a nice area don't want change, and no party has the balls to rebalance it.

Frankly 10% pay cut all round and FREE housing allowance of £100 a month via HMCR - live amoungst the people you administer - set standards by example not by being a 'overpaid next class up' public employee.


Withdrawl of HB would cause a housing collapse and more people could afford to buy, shift the dependency from taxpayer to individual/corporate whilst building, creating inclusion in communities and REAL integration in society and public services.

We live in a 1950's dogma, tweak systems not overhaul them...if government was a corporate body it would be going for bankruptcy every parliament term.

The majority of public servants are not great at their job, that's propaganda every party spills out, on the ground it just never happens, austerity or otherwise.

Trainee lawyers become housing officers who administer locally and all issues tenants face - keeping the legal aid bill down and training wage 50% of most 'housing officers' who cant follow legislation but their local authorities 'guidelines'.

No more money grants etc for non local authority 'housing associations' not transferring all stock to the new National Housing Agency - time to defragment the whole system.
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123thisisme
Its an absolute disgrace what the government are doing to the disabled, however if it gets my bone idle brother in to work then it cant be all bad.
What as a family are you doing ?
#23
seaniboy
123thisisme
Its an absolute disgrace what the government are doing to the disabled, however if it gets my bone idle brother in to work then it cant be all bad.
What as a family are you doing ?
How do you mean?
#24
OllieSt
splatsplatsplat
OllieSt
OP, DLA and PIP are not means tested. You could live in a mansion and run a multi national business and qualify for DLA/PIP. Conversely you could be unemployed living in temporary accommodation and not qualify. It's all to do with your health, not your wealth.
This is why we need reform, I've never voted Conservative in my life, but I believe DLA should be means tested (maybe not at the same rates as JSA etc but some should be taken into account).

If you can't walk 20m un-aided surely your wealth should play no part on any award given. If 2 people have the same 20m walking issue, pay them the same.

If it stops both from working, then there are other benefits which can be awarded which will then take into account on your personal financial situation. It's at that stage that the wealthier person will not be applicable to make a claim whilst the poorer person could.
If you have a income on the border of 40% tax then disability is not affecting you the way it does the most needy working or not, same as bus passes, winter fuel - if a basic Universal Tax Credit was paid via HMCR then it is all done at no additional cost for checking (as HMRC computers do it automatically) which seems to be every governments argument to keep things UNIVERSAL (and take from the most needy) as its cheaper to administer - just like ATOS etc HAHA - its complete crap. CONTROL the poor, take away free education PLUS administer entrapment via Housing Benefit - what you earn WE WILL TAKE AWAY, now work harder boys & girls! This entrapment also feeds the financial sector and its shareholders - cheap mortgages and loans (even cheaper if a shareholder) at the expense of the poor

This country is a laughing stock, United Nations have pulled UK up in front of the world whats happening to the disabled in the UK is unlawful.

The Tories - NHS cant even ban Boots for taking is main revenue from the NHS and paying no UK tax! Jesus is it that hard to sit and work out only where there is no Boots the NHS Trust deliver prescriptions by minimum wage employees to the patients door at a massive cost saving over Boots UK tax free NHS revenue. Tories and Labour have been screwing this country over for generations - why bring in NHS/DSS to then behave like a Tory party ongoing. FOOLS.

Edited By: seaniboy on Apr 21, 2017 16:44
#25
And yet the vast majority of the sheepeople will line up and vote for their political parties believing that if they don't the sky will fall down and we will be invaded by those Russians.

You can't inform the sheepeople as they are a simple minded breed ,the sort that would drive into the river because their Sat nav told them to.


Edited By: hooray.henry on Apr 21, 2017 16:48
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Those £60 bonus payments need to be stopped asap. Nice little earner to find someone fit for work and get the £60 bonus knowing full well that later down the line that person will appeal the decision and be put back on the benefit that they were once on. Crazy
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We are supposed to support the most vulnerable in society, this Tory Government has done nothing but punish them.

Its society thats become selfish, more concerned about whats in it for them, "why dont i get some free money I work long hours"? most people cannot see past that and understand how hard and difficult it is for some people to be independent, and the majority of those people would want to contribute to the pot but cannot..

I agree though that DLA and PIP should be means tested, I find giving money purely because your disabled a positive discrimination, it should be a benefit of support like IS or JSA that you get extra because of mental or physical disabilities.

The real losers in all of this no matter which way it goes are the 'Carers'.
#28
plodging
123thisisme
Its an absolute disgrace what the government are doing to the disabled, however if it gets my bone idle brother in to work then it cant be all bad.
Quite right .. There is always going to be a hard core workshy group of people and this needs dealt with on a one to one basis . Kicking every vulnerable group in society is not the answer .. It's the easy way out .
The NHS mental health needs to be national and separate body from NHS, one budget that pays for mental healthcare & mental sickness benefits - the less they pay out in sickness (set externally by HMRR Universal Tax Credit/minimum wage) the more for a proper diagnoses and treatment and functional person contributing to THEMSELVES and society.

On the matter of NHS/mental health - a 'second opinion' should not be from any government body, a impartial one. I know too many people who were misdiagnosed and treated incorrectly who were enforced onto DWP. I've seen many people with mental health underdiagnosed with more severe mental health issues pumped full of meds that make incorrect diagnoses worse, example: it is very common bipolar is treated as depression and a 'trouble maker' from many public bodies, police, DWP, NHS etc etc I have seen it and supported the person and got that bipolar (and more) diagnoses and life improves along with less state dependency on all public services. I have no medical qualification in mental health, I have life experience of those around me and have helped many people get a correct diagnoses and treatment by making my observations known to 'NHS mental health staff' - in dealing with mental health most staff don't ask those on a day to day contact with someone about behaviour patterns ? Absurd.

Addictions, obsessions and moods are massive give away of bipolar disorder (or worse and most EXPERTS in the NHS miss signs) but they check a box (seen within 3 months), administer a script and away you go, bipolar etc diagnosed and treated correctly does not mean a life of DWP, it means controlled MH and lapses not permanent mental disability.

But as I said before, these public staff are in it for the money - and if they had someone close going through the systems you bet the influence they have ensures they get what they see as needed.


We live in a unique corrupt system in the world with the NHS & DWP and how they have become. Why the Dept of Health & Social Security was separated is beyond reason, one directly effects the other - thats logic.
#29
haritori
We are supposed to support the most vulnerable in society, this Tory Government has done nothing but punish them.

Its society thats become selfish, more concerned about whats in it for them, "why dont i get some free money I work long hours"? most people cannot see past that and understand how hard and difficult it is for some people to be independent, and the majority of those people would want to contribute to the pot but cannot..

I agree though that DLA and PIP should be means tested, I find giving money purely because your disabled a positive discrimination, it should be a benefit of support like IS or JSA that you get extra because of mental or physical disabilities.

The real losers in all of this no matter which way it goes are the 'Carers'.
Society loses out, as much as a individual. We entrap poverty via housing benefit regardless of health status. We create a big hole in the pot for local overpaid underinvested local authority housing, we then duplicated that via handing money out to 'independent social landlords" to cost the DWP even more for slightly better housing that still entraps poverty with far too many unqualified in housing legislation 'housing officers'.

Everyone should have a equal foot at the bottom, cheap housing, minimum Universal Tax Credit (carers/students included) - only unemployment benefit should pay less than a carer/disabled/student, if you wont invest in yourself why should the state ?

The NHS & DWP, local authority all shift blame - its a propaganda set at national level off national budgets. Frankly in this day and age there is no need.

We administer methadone daily ( at high cost to private companies) rather than give detox at every NHS trust yet the most needy that need monitored on meds the mental health needy are assumed to be ok to do it themselves ? That is a joke, if they miss a dose or take a overdose or sell them on it all costs the NHS & DWP billions of pounds.

This country is not fit, nor fit for the 21st century - and brexit will not solve any of its own self inflicted wounds, it may well deepen them.
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seaniboy
eset12345
not an issue IMO, i've been saying for years that benefit rates should be harmonised, either decrease disability / sickness benefits, or increase unemployment benefits.
A carer, pensioner or sick person should get 16 x minimum wage via HMRC (ie a universal minimum)

that's cute, now tell me why you think those groups should get more than an unemployed person, that the government says can live on £72 per week that millions have lived on perfectly fine over decades.


Edited By: eset12345 on Apr 21, 2017 17:36
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eset12345
seaniboy
eset12345
not an issue IMO, i've been saying for years that benefit rates should be harmonised, either decrease disability / sickness benefits, or increase unemployment benefits.
A carer, pensioner or sick person should get 16 x minimum wage via HMRC (ie a universal minimum)
that's cute, now tell me why you think those groups should get more than an unemployed person, that the government says can live on £72 per week that millions have lived on perfectly fine over decades.
Maybe because unemployment benefit is meant as a temporary benefit not a lifestyle choice. The long term / permanent disabled are in a totally different situation . Forcing people with disabilities into poverty is a disgrace and this country should hang its head in shame .
1 Like #32
miles136
More disgraceful behavior from the Government
Yet lots of people will still vote them back in :(
#33
eset12345
seaniboy
eset12345
not an issue IMO, i've been saying for years that benefit rates should be harmonised, either decrease disability / sickness benefits, or increase unemployment benefits.
A carer, pensioner or sick person should get 16 x minimum wage via HMRC (ie a universal minimum)
that's cute, now tell me why you think those groups should get more than an unemployed person, that the government says can live on £72 per week that millions have lived on perfectly fine over decades.
Unemployment is temp support, for me the DWP should administer student support (like AU) rates between Jobseekers and a Universal Tax Credit rate with childcare/travel additions. Sit on your butt = JobSeekers, better yourself ? = JS rate + students premium (£100) and child/travel additions (+able to work P/T with no state claw back of student allowance), sick, retired or a carer = 16 hours at minimum wage AND abolish DWP (as no under 15 hours support).

Being in 'jail' should get jobseekers rate of 'offenders allowance', isolation, prepaid utilities & food deliveries, and when you leave you get a bill for staffing costs you the criminal cost the state which you will pay back via community service hours on minimum wage cleaning our streets around your regular job or jobseekers claim. Criminals cost the UK taxpayer several times more per head than a less abled person.

Those that can must, those that cant must be supported, those that need assistance must be assisted - the problem with UK public bodies is it is a pillar to post completely fragmented system of the 50's like technology never happened - after IT happened Dept of Health & Social Security split ? Yet the impact on each other is massive, now we have the Social (in)Security body the DWP hiring private companies to dismiss the other government body...NHS.
1 Like #34
themachman
miles136
More disgraceful behavior from the Government
Yet lots of people will still vote them back in :(
Well millions of pensioners today will be going Labour ote - no triple lock pensions with Tories will continue, tax will go up as well says Tory chancellor - TM as Prime Minister is actually doing the reverse of Labour/JC and willing the country to vote Labour...leaving Labour at fault for brexit. Then the Tories will coming back charging in to sort everything.

Labour overspend, Tories underspend - they both need to reform ALL public services, they are all on a 1950's system with tweaks that don't play between gov depts. (and supports)...yet we are 70 years on.

Anyone for a game of cards ? because that's what Labour & Tories do. I'm glad to live in Scotland where we have a third option, and that third option has grown and grown - its not just about independence, it is about equality, SNP may be slow, but 70 years of Labour & Tory has been slower. The Scots pick the best choice they have, the English equivalent the Lib Dems got into bed with the Tories and bent backwards over Education - never take the peoples right to educate themselves out of poverty away or they take your MP seats away, that will take a long time to recover from, who have England got left ? Greens or UKIP....lol, so back to Tories v Labour, I honestly feel for the people in England, what a joke of a political system and parties of generations. But if you want equality Jezza may not be the best man, but you have to vote for the Labour parties policies for the sake of the most needy people, don't worry about 'future generations paying for our debts' because that's what all generations have to do anyway, it is a red herring of propaganda from the Tories - who pay £850m to PRIVATE companies for £105m savings, erm that's a loss not a saving. Three quarters of a billion pound is better in a companies account than say investment in NHS addiction treatment centres to get people with addictions off DWP benefits is it ? And that's just one Tory 'saving' on one benefit.

As I said, poor England. Run by a bunch of cross party monkeys. It's like calling a off shore call centre public service.




Edited By: seaniboy on Apr 21, 2017 20:27
#35
OllieSt
OP, DLA and PIP are not means tested. You could live in a mansion and run a multi national business and qualify for DLA/PIP. Conversely you could be unemployed living in temporary accommodation and not qualify. It's all to do with your health, not your wealth.

no it was now its to do with the Gov saving money and going for the soft targets, it may be a good idea to look at means testing as a way to save, but the way they are doing it now makes the poor disabled even more poor
#36
badgerrules
The problem arises that realistically if someone is taken off dla and told to get a job, what employer is going to go near them? Which means they will just end up on unemployment benefit.

this is happening, woman in stockton I know, was taken off DLA a year ago she has chronic pain from arthritis, but she wants to work, she is on JSA, in the last 5 months she has been got 3 jobs, all offers were withdrawn after she disclosed her heal issues.

Well you say if she want to work that bad, she should not tell the truth, but she also has a learning difficulty and will always tell the truth, thats how she lost the DLA she fell in to their trap
#37
123thisisme
Its an absolute disgrace what the government are doing to the disabled, however if it gets my bone idle brother in to work then it cant be all bad.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one
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there is one thing they should look at but never will, because they are scared, the winter fuel allowence

both neighbors of mine have well over £750k in stocks shares isa and cash savings each, yes I know this is true because I have seen the evidence, yet both houses get £350 WFA, I think this is unjustified
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miles136
there is one thing they should look at but never will, because they are scared, the winter fuel allowence
both neighbors of mine have well over £750k in stocks shares isa and cash savings each, yes I know this is true because I have seen the evidence, yet both houses get £350 WFA, I think this is unjustified
I know people with circa under £20K pensions a year with no mortgage who don't think they should get WFA when the poorest need more help all year round and esp winter costs it's the minority that think they are entitled. I agree, but like Child Tax Credits it was a vote winner and neither party of the UK will revoke and refocus on the most needy.

I'm sorry but if you have £20K a year with no mortgage then many universal things should be means tested like they have to be with DWP. Even state pensions should have some means testing, if you pay 40% tax on external pensions then are you really in need of a state pension at the cost of others education and health ? I certainly would not claim my state pension if I had sufficient means, I may claim it and donate to charity every month but to expect you have financial secured you're own future because you had the mental or physical means and take handouts from the state as well says plenty about people's morality. I realise I'm the minority in that thought but still...I grew up with members of family in the generations above me with physical & mental disabilities and they looked after the little they got.

DSS/DWP was set up to protect the needy via means testing not give out universal payments and it's time it went back to its roots. Simply saying DWP benefits passport access to WFP get a credit to their fuel bills, no cash, credits that can be carried between utility providers (bought in bulk from the National Grid) would save a absolute fortune.

Child Tax Credits should have abolished Child Benefit too - it's a dual support, dual admin costs.


For the record my income is low, it has been high and I never once complained about paying tax because I know it supports people, I did and do complain about the long term incompetence of Labour & Tories to overhaul the state into this century - 17 years later still waiting...
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seaniboy
miles136
there is one thing they should look at but never will, because they are scared, the winter fuel allowence
both neighbors of mine have well over £750k in stocks shares isa and cash savings each, yes I know this is true because I have seen the evidence, yet both houses get £350 WFA, I think this is unjustified
I know people with circa under £20K pensions a year with no mortgage who don't think they should get WFA when the poorest need more help all year round and esp winter costs it's the minority that think they are entitled. I agree, but like Child Tax Credits it was a vote winner and neither party of the UK will revoke and refocus on the most needy.
I'm sorry but if you have £20K a year with no mortgage then many universal things should be means tested like they have to be with DWP. Even state pensions should have some means testing, if you pay 40% tax on external pensions then are you really in need of a state pension at the cost of others education and health ? I certainly would not claim my state pension if I had sufficient means, I may claim it and donate to charity every month but to expect you have financial secured you're own future because you had the mental or physical means and take handouts from the state as well says plenty about people's morality. I realise I'm the minority in that thought but still...I grew up with members of family in the generations above me with physical & mental disabilities and they looked after the little they got.
DSS/DWP was set up to protect the needy via means testing not give out universal payments and it's time it went back to its roots. Simply saying DWP benefits passport access to WFP get a credit to their fuel bills, no cash, credits that can be carried between utility providers (bought in bulk from the National Grid) would save a absolute fortune.
Child Tax Credits should have abolished Child Benefit too - it's a dual support, dual admin costs.
For the record my income is low, it has been high and I never once complained about paying tax because I know it supports people, I did and do complain about the long term incompetence of Labour & Tories to overhaul the state into this century - 17 years later still waiting...

well said, My brother and sister inlaw both pay 40% tax yet the get family allowance !!

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