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Do you trust Gordon Brown's Labour party?

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9y, 1w agoPosted 9 years, 1 week ago
Annonymous donations, lost data, no more bottom rate of income tax, CGT rises, fuel now up to £1.08 per litre, £25bn of our money risked on a Northern Rock bailout etc, etc, the list goes on and on. And that is in a mere four months!
Maybe some of this is inherited from a past PM, maybe that is a lax excuse. I see it as a distinct sign of things to come. Plus, GB comes across as being completely inept at the dispatch box.
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#1
a scot running england, say no more.they cant even look after themselves.:oops:
#2
Putting the Labour party aside, I think the Poll should read can you trust ANY Political Party or MP!!!!!!!

My answer would be no!
#3
The question should be "do you trust a potitician?" , the answer is no!:-D
#4
Mmm.....and the alternative is the tories with a record of huge unemployment,rocketing interest rates,selling off our industries,fat cat wages etc etc

[SIZE="5"]Rock[/SIZE] and [SIZE="5"]Hardplace!!!![/SIZE]
#5
NatD
Putting the Labour party aside, I think the Poll should read can you trust ANY Political Party or MP!!!!!!!

My answer would be no!


:thumbsup:
#6
NatD
Putting the Labour party aside, I think the Poll should read can you trust ANY Political Party or MP!!!!!!!

My answer would be no!


Ditto
#7
NatD
Putting the Labour party aside, I think the Poll should read can you trust ANY Political Party or MP!!!!!!!

My answer would be no!

+1
1 Like #8
I dont trust labour PERIOD but then again i dont trust any of them - they are all stuck up

Labour has wasted so much money and is ruining this country

1. taxes on the rise
2.millenium dome
3.war in iraq
4.immigration
5.inheritance tax

They are the worst that labour has brung

The one thing i hate about this country is political correctness its gone mad

If anyone knows the PCSO community police they had a mascot called pcso steve a white man with blond hair but oh now thats racist and sexist

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/11/20/npolice320.jpg

So now we have pcso sunita and some women

I mean thats just mad who cares if its a bloke or its not asian god

Also this is mad too its now against the law to call gingerbread men ginderbread men --- they have to be called gingerbread people so as not to be sexist


I have nothing against gorden brown being scotist but i think britain should be separated

Just England - ireland -Northern ireland - scotland and wales

We all govern ourselves as separate countries - i hate being called british (especialy when the yanks do) im english



Id probably get arrested for saying something like that -- so much for being a free country
#9
muckypup
Mmm.....and the alternative is the tories with a record of huge unemployment,rocketing interest rates,selling off our industries,fat cat wages etc etc

[SIZE="5"]Rock[/SIZE] and [SIZE="5"]Hardplace!!!![/SIZE]


I kind of agree with that actually. But all you can do is to go with proven track record. Cameron's Tories have no track record as yet, New Labour, in both of it's guises, has a distinguished track record of authoritarian policy and generally treating the country like it's own political whipping boy. Even David Blunkett, the one guy I thought I might be able to trust, followed the authoritarian party line just like all the other sheep in this 21st century anacronysm of a, once, "party of the people".
Nope. As much as I detest the Conservative party on past track record, they are now the only party that can be trusted to do the right thing at the next election. At least until they prove to be just as bad as the Blair/Brown dynasty, which will probably be around the proceeding weeks after their second election victory in around 2013/14.
#10
Scribbles
I kind of agree with that actually. But all you can do is to go with proven track record. Cameron's Tories have no track record as yet, New Labour, in both of it's guises, has a distinguished track record of authoritarian policy and generally treating the country like it's own political whipping boy. Even David Blunkett, the one guy I thought I might be able to trust, followed the authoritarian party line just like all the other sheep in this 21st century anacronysm of a, once, "party of the people".
Nope. As much as I detest the Conservative party on past track record, they are now the only party that can be trusted to do the right thing at the next election. At least until they prove to be just as bad as the Blair/Brown dynasty, which will probably be around the proceeding weeks after their second election victory in around 2013/14.

I know its madness how people vote for the worst party - even though i can now vote i wont

Worst thing atm with labour is the 2012 olympics - all the northerners have to pay for it as well as us but i at least live near central london but everyone else is paying for something they will probably never see nor reap the benefits from


id get into politics but unfortunatley im too honest and you have to be a liar to be one
#11
jules69
a scot running england, say no more.they cant even look after themselves.:oops:


Oh yes and where did you find this startling fact. No wonder the other home nations detest your kind arrogance.

Considering the English asked for the union I think your thoughts about the Scots are best kept to yourself
#12
jules69
a scot running england, say no more.they cant even look after themselves.:oops:


Where did you glean that fascinating piece of propaganda. No wonder the other home nations accuse you of arrogance.

Check your history you will find the English Parliament asked for the union not the Scots
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Scribbles
I kind of agree with that actually. But all you can do is to go with proven track record. Cameron's Tories have no track record as yet, New Labour, in both of it's guises, has a distinguished track record of authoritarian policy and generally treating the country like it's own political whipping boy. Even David Blunkett, the one guy I thought I might be able to trust, followed the authoritarian party line just like all the other sheep in this 21st century anacronysm of a, once, "party of the people".
Nope. As much as I detest the Conservative party on past track record, they are now the only party that can be trusted to do the right thing at the next election. At least until they prove to be just as bad as the Blair/Brown dynasty, which will probably be around the proceeding weeks after their second election victory in around 2013/14.

I think that ANY party that is in power for too long loses it's way.Without having a serious challenge to their power they can bring in policies at will.

When the tories were last in power(18 years,16 of which were pretty dark!) there were no seemingly viable alternatives until 'New Labour'.

1997 was a joyous election and the country rode on the crest of a wave for a good few years.Everything changed after 9/11 and I believe we are now feeling the very many repurcussions of that day,especially in regards to the economy and the worldwide political situation.

In many ways I feel that it is time for labour to have some time out of being in charge,a time for reflection so that they can get back to being a true party of social justice.......however....would I,indeed,could I vote for David Cameron??
He does not inspire me one iota,I see no-one in the current tory line up that fills me with confidence.The only person I could see myself switching my vote to would be William Hague.I believe the tories made a huge error of judgement in getting rid of him as leader.

My local MP has also done much for our area since he has been elected and on that basis my vote will stay Labour for the forseeable future.
#14
You have to remember many of the problems that the Labour government have are caused by decisions made by previous Governments. And i'm sure this will be case for the next government when they inherit the current mistakes.

I have to say that as much as the current government may sometimes annoy me a little, the alternative scares the **** out of me. I have no confidence in an oppostition leader who flits about from policy to policy based on gaining polling points and has seemingly no opinion of his own.
#15
dandoc2
I know its madness how people vote for the worst party - even though i can now vote i wont


ATM, we have a choice between 'bad' and 'worse than bad'. Not a real choice I know, but we're stuck with it. I'll vote for the lesser of two evils.
#16
Could be worse......thank goodness George Bush is American!!!!;-)
#17
Problems arise in these sorts of situations where the big parties have nothing to offer that the other parties don't. There needs to be a party that will make changes for the benefit of England and the rest of the UK before we will see any real difference in England
#18
muckypup
Mmm.....and the alternative is the tories with a record of huge unemployment,rocketing interest rates,selling off our industries,fat cat wages etc etc

[SIZE="5"]Rock[/SIZE] and [SIZE="5"]Hardplace!!!![/SIZE]



to be fair, that was then, this is now. we can't judge a political party on what happend then, if the same person was the leader then maybe, but it's not.

Labour, allegedly the peoples party, what exactly have they achieved in the last 10 years?
#19
Kitten13
to be fair, that was then, this is now. we can't judge a political party on what happend then, if the same person was the leader then maybe, but it's not.

Labour, allegedly the peoples party, what exactly have they achieved in the last 10 years?

A relatively stable economy and jobs for those who want them,despite a world of exponential advancement in technology.

There is always room for improvement whoever is in power,much wants more....but for those of us who remember negative equity,Black Wednesday,mass unemployment and redundancy from 'safe' jobs,soaring interest rates....it can be hard to trust those cut from from the same cloth.
#20
even now there aren't any safe jobs.
#21
Kitten13
even now there aren't any safe jobs.

True.....but at least there are jobs:thumbsup:
#22
just a shame i can't get employed in any of them.
#23
jules69
a scot running england, say no more.they cant even look after themselves.:oops:


D-I-C-K-H-E-A-D !!!!!!!!
#24
Kitten13
just a shame i can't get employed in any of them.

My place is always looking for people.....it may not be what you are looking for though(I'm a market research interviewer) but if you are interested here is a link click

All that is required is an ability to talk to anyone,not be bothered about working in inclement weather and a thick skin!:)
#25
Kitten13
to be fair, that was then, this is now. we can't judge a political party on what happend then, if the same person was the leader then maybe, but it's not.

Labour, allegedly the peoples party, what exactly have they achieved in the last 10 years?


They have widened the poverty gap, and continue to do so. We have no jobs worth doing, so the govt brings in immigrants to do them rather than forcing wages up for it's own populous. The lower rate of income tax is now abolished, penalising the poor and rewarding the higher earner. Someone who cannot afford to work will be forced to take a job for less than a livable wage, or lose benefits.
Council tax has tripled as govt takes from local authorities to fund it's own messed up agenda. The NHS is worse than it ever has been, and it is riskier to have your op than to persevere the symptoms. Go to hospital, and die of MRSA. Nice. A Norfolk hospital only the other day, was put on alert as it ran out of beds with TEN ambulances waiting outside.

Crime is rife among the younger population, and prisons are full of pensioners who committed a crime 40 years ago. Meanwhile, 15yo's run amok knowing full well that the law cannot touch them. It's now illegal to set off a nuclear bomb however :whistling:

The average person can look forward to being thanked for a life of service by having half of their property stolen from under the nose of their bequeathed by the state, effectively forcing sale of the property to some property developer to cream off a nice profit. Housing is so expensive now that the average joe cannot afford to buy the house.

We have a military that is being stretched to the max, without enough money to function effectively, and the govt values their contribution so much that they have to pay for their own kit and postage back to their folks. Their families live in squaller and damp. An 18yo that is disabled for life, a veg in effect, gets offered sub £60k as compensation for a life now effectively incapacitated. Some compensation heh?

I could go on, and on, and on. But I think you get the point. Something has to change, or life will not be worth living or all bar the most privilaged few.
#26
having known a couple of mps personnaly and having my father run as an mp i will say belief and justice has nothing to do with furthering ones self in a political arena , consider labour as a political idiolgy at grass roots level and further up it becomes about empowerment not policy , its furthering an individual not a concept , vote for whom ever you like , it will make near no difference , civil servants and populist ideas create policy regardless of right or wrong

as for a scot ruling , you will find his geographical birth place has nothing to do with his abilities , the nature of his political sentiments are toward the extension of the time his co-elitest pigs are empowered not toward a love of his origions

oh and saying inherent mistakes from previous goverments is laughable , someone believes the spin doctors , mp have the empowerment to overturn at a whim so if it was to be concidered a truth then it would show incompetence in the inability to right a wrong
#27
everything has gotten so mucn more expensive in the time labour have been in power. working 35 hours a week, at just above minimum wage doesn't get you anywhere, rents are high, it's near impossible to get on the property ladder, food costs an absolute fortune, gas and electric are through the roof.

and that is before i can buy new clothes, not just for the sake of buying new clothes, but because i need them.

and this is living with a partner with a goodish paying job.
#28
somepeeeps take things far too sreious.

all politicians are exactly the same, don't believe a word they say!
where i live the political parties are only interested in point scoring against each other, not what is best for us.
[helper]#29
NatD
Putting the Labour party aside, I think the Poll should read can you trust ANY Political Party or MP!!!!!!!

My answer would be no!

Agree with NatD!!

But if you want to make some anti-labour points I'd like to remind you of three individuals

Maggie Thatcher - where to start with her!!
Norman Lamont - remember the 25% interest rate?
Michael Howard - "something the night about him" and of course the famous Paxman interview.
#30
gari189
Agree with NatD!!

But if you want to make some anti-labour points I'd like to remind you of three individuals

Maggie Thatcher - where to start with her!!
Norman Lamont - remember the 25% interest rate?
Michael Howard - "something the night about him" and of course the famous Paxman interview.


Party politics is a young man's career now. It's a brave new world in Westminster, with mere thirty-somethings having aspirations of leading their party.
There is nothing 'of the night' about the latest batch of MPs IMO :)
Thankfully, the days of the 'old boy club' are hopefully consigned to history. No more Lamonts, Foots and Howards in the future I believe. Not that "blue sky thinking" is any better however, as 'Trimdon boy' Blair proved. Instead of downright dissemination of the economy, AND the masses per se, we now have straight forward dissemination of the masses at the hands of a prosperous economy. Either way, the masses lose out.
#31
Scribbles

Either way, the masses lose out.

And it will always be thus!

The haves will always carry on having and the rest of us make the best of the scraps that are left.....whoever is in power!:whistling:
#32
if people keep on looking back, then things in the present and future will never change.
#33
jules69
a scot running england, say no more.they cant even look after themselves.:oops:



I don't swear on internet forums, Mod edit: thats right you dont!
#34
Ungreat
You have to remember many of the problems that the Labour government have are caused by decisions made by previous Governments. And i'm sure this will be case for the next government when they inherit the current mistakes..


Hear this claptrap all the time...

Labour and their supporters always blame previous governments for their own incompetence.

Before Labour came along I could afford to go to work.......But now you're better off staying at home, marrying a teenager, have 6 kids, and get a free house, and everything paid for.

Every Labour government is aways the same tax,tax,tax,tax....waste money, waste money, waste money......only care about their own jobs. :x
#35
talkshop
Hear this claptrap all the time...

Labour and their supporters always blame previous governments for their own incompetence.

Before Labour came along I could afford to go to work.......But now you're better off staying at home, marrying a teenager, have 6 kids, and get a free house, and everything paid for.

Every Labour government is aways the same tax,tax,tax,tax....waste money, waste money, waste money......only care about their own jobs. :x

Well youve got my life planned out
banned#36
don't recognise the username, link please:giggle:
#37
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7116952.stm

The story of how corruption has got the better of the Labour party.

Now, Janet Dunn says 'Oops, I did donate £25,000. I forgot all about that."

Mmmm ...

"Deliberate concealment" is a quote i've heard. The Labour party is now complacent and does whatever it wants. I'll be happy if these corrupt ****wits never run the country again.
#38
no because they only think of themselves making sure they (and the more well off people) are better off in the long run.

and that goes for the government as a whole
banned#39
okay who voted yes!!!??
#40
muckypup
Mmm.....and the alternative is the tories with a record of huge unemployment,rocketing interest rates,selling off our industries,fat cat wages etc etc

[SIZE="5"]Rock[/SIZE] and [SIZE="5"]Hardplace!!!![/SIZE]

The correct quote would be...Between a northernRock and a hardDisc........they have lost 25 million or 25 billion...if you get my drift

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