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I am not inhuman, even I look at it and think there is a lot of stuff in there I like... Railways etc, the EMA was a disaster last time and will be again, but those of you old enough will remember we … Read More
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1m, 1w agoPosted 1 month, 1 week ago
I am not inhuman, even I look at it and think there is a lot of stuff in there I like... Railways etc, the EMA was a disaster last time and will be again, but those of you old enough will remember we went through this last time with Labour with the whole 'better off on benefits' culture and they were more centrist, this socialist manifesto makes me feel those of us who pay tax will be paying an awful lot more, despite their promise we wont.... the figures just seem highly ambitious...

I am all for paying our way for tax's. but does anyone else feel those of us who pay tax are about to get an awful lot poorer for this manifesto?

EMA...educational allowance, last time it was in my Wife taught 16 year olds, her classes were full of kids who only came to get that allowance, was destructive and unmanageable, she had to sign off each week if they should get it, and on 3 occasions in one term she had to be escorted home by security and she was threatened physically because she withheld the payment for poor behaviour or non attendance
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Yes, but I don't see it as a bad thing.

I'm happy enough to take a little less home if it gives more funding to the NHS, police, education and to help those who need it. The end of those fit to work assessments where if you're not already dead, you're fit to work in particular.

It seems better than the current state of things at least.

Edited By: Darkeru on Jun 08, 2017 10:35: Jun 08, 2017 10:35
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"Does anyone else feel all tax payers will end up paying for Labours Manifesto promises?"

Yes, and that is a good thing. All public services have been cut to the bone and need the financial boost to get them to an acceptable standard again. Why shouldn't we all have to contibute to them? Everyone benefits from them.
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its going to be a disaster if Corby gets in
Benefits cap will go , i.e. claim more than the average wage.
unemployment will go up
nationalisation of rail will cost a fortune
quangos and fake colleges will be back
sercurity services will have their hands tied
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lumsdot
Looks like the younger generation had a lucky escape. The debt they would have to repay would be huge.May was right to cut the 200 heating allowance and remove pension triple lock. You need to balance budgets, otherwise Greece is the word.

Lucky escape - yeah, where the average person is now going to be worse off with even worse public services.
All so May can nicely build the coffers of her pocket.
Surprising that the majority would rather have their money in May's bank account rather than their own.
Remember - higher taxes does not equal better public services. Cameron proved that one.

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no...
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" but does anyone else feel those of us who pay tax are about to get an awful lot poorer for this manifesto?"

Why not wait until tomorrow as it's probably not something you need to worry about.
1 Like #3
adsham
" but does anyone else feel those of us who pay tax are about to get an awful lot poorer for this manifesto?"
Why not wait until tomorrow as it's probably not something you need to worry about.

I know, just musing
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Yes, but I don't see it as a bad thing.

I'm happy enough to take a little less home if it gives more funding to the NHS, police, education and to help those who need it. The end of those fit to work assessments where if you're not already dead, you're fit to work in particular.

It seems better than the current state of things at least.

Edited By: Darkeru on Jun 08, 2017 10:35: Jun 08, 2017 10:35
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I like the bit where they want to ensure that all jobless scrotes get their right to a Full Sky Package and 20 Cigs a day
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Anyone else feel like we should just sack all of parliament and start it again as a minimum wage job with no expenses, so people that acc care and live on a normal wage get to make the choices
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It's not just tax payers who will suffer.
If this Labour party get in to power I fully expect them to completely screw up the economy. That will mean less money for all public services etc. Maybe not in the first couple of years but it will happen.
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"Does anyone else feel all tax payers will end up paying for Labours Manifesto promises?"

Yes, and that is a good thing. All public services have been cut to the bone and need the financial boost to get them to an acceptable standard again. Why shouldn't we all have to contibute to them? Everyone benefits from them.
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jimhuf
I like the bit where they want to ensure that all jobless scrotes get their right to a Full Sky Package and 20 Cigs a day
I think you just made that up somehow.
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cdm22
"Does anyone else feel all tax payers will end up paying for Labours Manifesto promises?"Yes, and that is a good thing. All public services have been cut to the bone and need the financial boost to get them to an acceptable standard again. Why shouldn't we all have to contibute to them? Everyone benefits from them.


http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
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cdm22
"Does anyone else feel all tax payers will end up paying for Labours Manifesto promises?"
Yes, and that is a good thing. All public services have been cut to the bone and need the financial boost to get them to an acceptable standard again. Why shouldn't we all have to contibute to them? Everyone benefits from them.

Then say it. Because if they win and start taxing normal people, we have been hoodwinked, and I can promise you all that will happen is the 'something for nothing' society will come back in
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If Comrade Corby gets in, if you can, throw extra money at your pension to come under his threshold.
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Yes, the thought that you can raise £1,000 per head of population from just 5% of population and corporations is a nice idea (I genuinely do not have an issue with it) but it would never work. The IFS have said as much too. Raising these tax rates does not increase receipts, and corporation tax is paid by consumers so will result in higher prices.

That's before you consider how it might affect our competitiveness internationally, at a time me of Brexit!
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its going to be a disaster if Corby gets in
Benefits cap will go , i.e. claim more than the average wage.
unemployment will go up
nationalisation of rail will cost a fortune
quangos and fake colleges will be back
sercurity services will have their hands tied
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lumsdot
its going to be a disaster if Corby gets in
Benefits cap will go , i.e. claim more than the average wage.
unemployment will go up
nationalisation of rail will cost a fortune
quangos and fake colleges will be back
sercurity services will have their hands tied

The railways is actually a easy one, as you just let contracts expire, then you can just charge a ticket fee to maintain the track.... I like that policy.... Royal Mail though, what is he thinking, it will cost a small fortune to buy that back, the benefits thing is my biggest bug bear, I have seen a real local change where people are now working.... it will go back to how it was, and it seems such a waste

Edited By: Aeschylus on Jun 08, 2017 11:03
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I think the hard working (working and middle class) will be hammered just as hard/maybe harder under U-Turn specialist May if I am honest.

So I am as worried which ever way the vote goes... the difference being that Labour have said they will invest in policing and NHS - so when I get hammered I will feel marginally better, May and Hunt will continue to cut security, NHS and yet still hammer us... whilst blaming everyone else...

For anyone that says I am some sort of Labour fan boy... that couldn't be further from the truth and in my life time I have voted in every vote since I have been old enough (20 odd years) and not once voted labour (yet).
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I'm not against paying higher taxes, its inevitable taxes will have to rise to pay for the ever increasing cost of paying for the care of our elderly and vulnerable and the cost of the NHS .

Corbyn works his crowds of mindless cheerleaders by promising everything under the sun - All to be paid for by the top 5% of earners oO and those horrible large companies (who will just pass any rise on to the consumer) . Hoorah ,Hoorah ....... errrr ... sorry Jeremy this approach has always failed to raise extra money for the exchequer, quite the opposite .

These soak the rich speeches may go down well at Corbyn's rallys - "You can have lots and lots and the rich will pay" but the politics of envy never work . The Liberals have one good idea, 1p on all rates of income tax , now that would raise the money we need and of course the rich would pay more as they earn more. That wouldn't fit Corbyn's soak the nasty rich mantra though.
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Darkeru
Yes, but I don't see it as a bad thing.
I'm happy enough to take a little less home if it gives more funding to the NHS, police, education and to help those who need it. The end of those fit to work assessments where if you're not already dead, you're fit to work in particular.
It seems better than the current state of things at least.

Speak for yourself. Never in the post-war history of this country has there been a successful Labour government. Please don't forget that any mess that the country might be in atm was either directly or indirectly caused by them and over the last 3 decades they have had to go through several rebranding efforts because their previous administrations have been such a catastrophic failure.

If the worst happens tomorrow morning and the armchair communists somehow manage to win this one, I really hate to think of what kind of country this will become. If you think certain post-2010 Conservative policies have been a disaster then you haven't seen anything yet.
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rogparki

Corbyn works his crowds of mindless cheerleaders by promising everything under the sun

The problem is that the idiots believe him. This is basically just 2010 Nick Clegg all over again only this time it is far, far more dangerous.
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Spark
rogparki

Corbyn works his crowds of mindless cheerleaders by promising everything under the sun
The problem is that the idiots believe him. This is basically just 2010 Nick Clegg all over again only this time it is far, far more dangerous.

Whilst I actually agree with most of what you said in this thread... do you not feel that May is even more dangerous? a vague manifesto, a campaign of fear and buzz words, U-turns, the blame game....

to me (a multiple time Tory voter) she is a dangerous mix of Blair and Trump... Spin and Fear not strong and stable.
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DKLS
If Comrade Corby gets in, if you can, throw extra money at your pension to come under his threshold.
If Labour win I will seriously be considering moving abroad for a few years at least.
#22
Everyone should be encouraged to live off benefits, otherwise its just not fair on the lazy and feckless.

If Labour raise taxes then expect services to stay just the same.

Expect a confused party where most of the party MPs disagree with Abbott and Costello
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joanddan7
Spark
rogparki

Corbyn works his crowds of mindless cheerleaders by promising everything under the sun
The problem is that the idiots believe him. This is basically just 2010 Nick Clegg all over again only this time it is far, far more dangerous.
Whilst I actually agree with most of what you said in this thread... do you not feel that May is even more dangerous? a vague manifesto, a campaign of fear and buzz words, U-turns, the blame game....
to me (a multiple time Tory voter) she is a dangerous mix of Blair and Trump... Spin and Fear not strong and stable.

Frankly, no I don't. I don't particularly like her but she is the safer option right now and the only one of all of the current party leaders who I think would have a shot at negotiating a decent Brexit or tackling the growing problems with extremism.

Once Brexit is out of the way then we can get rid of her and maybe even elect a different party but not now and certainly not Labour's current offering.
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colin4man
DKLS
If Comrade Corby gets in, if you can, throw extra money at your pension to come under his threshold.
If Labour win I will seriously be considering moving abroad for a few years at least.

I'm the exact same way and I've told my fiancée that. I'm not even giving her a choice in the matter.
suspended 1 Like #25
It has been mentioned here, the liberals have the right approach. The inevitable 1p or 2p for the basic rate is the only fair way of making the UK better again.. the only reason the conservatives have not done it yet is because our debt is going the right way and they don't want to rock the boat and derail the recovery.
Labour have had a great campaign based on targeting the vunirable and stupid. Everyone knows the higher earners that people aspire to be already pay over 50% of their wage in NI and tax that any more starts to force them into legal evasion techniques and it really does not raise that much anyway.

Promises that benefit the many are easy vote winners. But sensible people vote for the country as a whole as the sensible options.
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No, because they're not going to win.
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Vote May.

Keep me in farm subs.
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All manifestos have promises that will cost the taxpayer.
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What has any of this got to do with HUKD?
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colin4man
It's not just tax payers who will suffer. If this Labour party get in to power I fully expect them to completely screw up the economy. That will mean less money for all public services etc. Maybe not in the first couple of years but it will happen.

The current government have doubled the national debt in six years, we're the worst performing advanced economy in the world. Yet they're cutting corporation tax handing them £16 Billion. No thanks.

cdm22
"Does anyone else feel all tax payers will end up paying for Labours Manifesto promises?"Yes, and that is a good thing. All public services have been cut to the bone and need the financial boost to get them to an acceptable standard again. Why shouldn't we all have to contibute to them? Everyone benefits from them.

And with any luck it won't be the lowest earners paying the lions share this time.
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73greystoke
What has any of this got to do with HUKD?

Why is this now coming up in every misc thread on here?!
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73greystoke
What has any of this got to do with HUKD?
73greystoke
What has any of this got to do with HUKD?


people don't know there are multiple sections and once they are in All it shows there, even people who have been around for years don't know half the site is here :(
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joanddan7
Whilst I actually agree with most of what you said in this thread... do you not feel that May is even more dangerous? a vague manifesto, a campaign of fear and buzz words, U-turns, the blame game....to me (a multiple time Tory voter) she is a dangerous mix of Blair and Trump... Spin and Fear not strong and stable.


I think you are on the right lines there. She's spouting so much vague, populist, tough talk, BS, whilst touting an incredibly thin on detail manifesto, that it's obvious to anyone with a clue that her real future policies are going to be extremely unpopular with her core voters. That's why she has constantly avoided having to discuss anything in detail, at all. I think, in particular, her Brexit strategy is going to be completely at odds with what hard-line Brexiteers would want. Oh well, only a few more weeks until us Remainers can have the small consolation of chuckling at the gnashing of teeth, and frothing at the mouth, as people realise they have been sold down the river.
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73greystoke
What has any of this got to do with HUKD?

Eh the UK part?
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VDisillusioned
I think you are on the right lines there. She's spouting so much vague, populist, tough talk, BS, whilst touting an incredibly thin on detail manifesto, that it's obvious to anyone with a clue that her real future policies are going to be extremely unpopular with her core voters. That's why she has constantly avoided having to discuss anything in detail, at all. I think, in particular, her Brexit strategy is going to be completely at odds with what hard-line Brexiteers would want. Oh well, only a few more weeks until us Remainers can have the small consolation of chuckling at the gnashing of teeth, and frothing at the mouth, as people realise they have been sold down the river.

Can't you hear the sound of Juncker and Merkel quaking in their boots ?? ... Nah me neither.
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plodging
VDisillusioned
joanddan7
Whilst I actually agree with most of what you said in this thread... do you not feel that May is even more dangerous? a vague manifesto, a campaign of fear and buzz words, U-turns, the blame game....to me (a multiple time Tory voter) she is a dangerous mix of Blair and Trump... Spin and Fear not strong and stable.
I think you are on the right lines there. She's spouting so much vague, populist, tough talk, BS, whilst touting an incredibly thin on detail manifesto, that it's obvious to anyone with a clue that her real future policies are going to be extremely unpopular with her core voters. That's why she has constantly avoided having to discuss anything in detail, at all. I think, in particular, her Brexit strategy is going to be completely at odds with what hard-line Brexiteers would want. Oh well, only a few more weeks until us Remainers can have the small consolation of chuckling at the gnashing of teeth, and frothing at the mouth, as people realise they have been sold down the river.
Can't you hear the sound of Juncker and Merkel quaking in their boots ?? ... Nah me neither.

Meanwhile Labour thought they could trick the winners of the Democratic Referendum by leaving the EU but in name only, we would be out but fully in at the same time.

No thank you, I voted to Leave the EU not just bit's of it and that is why I'm voting Conservative.
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shasnir
Meanwhile Labour thought they could trick the winners of the Democratic Referendum by leaving the EU but in name only, we would be out but fully in at the same time.No thank you, I voted to Leave the EU not just bit's of it and that is why I'm voting Conservative.


What about those who voted to leave in a different manner to you? There was no granular vote on it.
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plodging
Can't you hear the sound of Juncker and Merkel quaking in their boots ?? ... Nah me neither.

You can just imagine May's negotiating style 'If you don't give me what I want, I'm going to hold my breath until you do'. Face sags, shoulders slump.

She'll probably need St John's Ambulance as back up.
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plodging
VDisillusioned
joanddan7
Whilst I actually agree with most of what you said in this thread... do you not feel that May is even more dangerous? a vague manifesto, a campaign of fear and buzz words, U-turns, the blame game....to me (a multiple time Tory voter) she is a dangerous mix of Blair and Trump... Spin and Fear not strong and stable.
I think you are on the right lines there. She's spouting so much vague, populist, tough talk, BS, whilst touting an incredibly thin on detail manifesto, that it's obvious to anyone with a clue that her real future policies are going to be extremely unpopular with her core voters. That's why she has constantly avoided having to discuss anything in detail, at all. I think, in particular, her Brexit strategy is going to be completely at odds with what hard-line Brexiteers would want. Oh well, only a few more weeks until us Remainers can have the small consolation of chuckling at the gnashing of teeth, and frothing at the mouth, as people realise they have been sold down the river.
Can't you hear the sound of Juncker and Merkel quaking in their boots ?? ... Nah me neither.

And do you really think that Comrade Corbyn would be able to negotiate well in our favour with them? He's already on the wrong side of the Chinese and the Americans so I doubt he'd stand a chance really.
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Spark
plodging
VDisillusioned
joanddan7
Whilst I actually agree with most of what you said in this thread... do you not feel that May is even more dangerous? a vague manifesto, a campaign of fear and buzz words, U-turns, the blame game....to me (a multiple time Tory voter) she is a dangerous mix of Blair and Trump... Spin and Fear not strong and stable.
I think you are on the right lines there. She's spouting so much vague, populist, tough talk, BS, whilst touting an incredibly thin on detail manifesto, that it's obvious to anyone with a clue that her real future policies are going to be extremely unpopular with her core voters. That's why she has constantly avoided having to discuss anything in detail, at all. I think, in particular, her Brexit strategy is going to be completely at odds with what hard-line Brexiteers would want. Oh well, only a few more weeks until us Remainers can have the small consolation of chuckling at the gnashing of teeth, and frothing at the mouth, as people realise they have been sold down the river.
Can't you hear the sound of Juncker and Merkel quaking in their boots ?? ... Nah me neither.
And do you really think that Comrade Corbyn would be able to negotiate well in our favour with them? He's already on the wrong side of the Chinese and the Americans so I doubt he'd stand a chance really.
Can't see the point of mentioning Corbyn.. He isn't going to be doing it .

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