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Does anyone know anything about desktop processor chips?

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Can anyone tell me what sort of chip I should be looking for in a desktop PC. I'd like something that my kids can play first person shooter games on, edit photos, play videos etc. What's the dif…
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7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
Can anyone tell me what sort of chip I should be looking for in a desktop PC. I'd like something that my kids can play first person shooter games on, edit photos, play videos etc.

What's the difference between dual core and quad core?

What's the difference between AMD, Intel, Phenom? and which one is best?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks
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7y, 5m agoPosted 7 years, 5 months ago
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1 Like #1
Its not just a cpu thing its a graphics card thing as well and how modern a game are we saying?

IMO so far Intel are the better bet when it comes to chips unless you want a single core unit or certain dual core ranges since they are normally more efficent for power consumption but are worse for clock speeds since they are slightly behind.

As for Dual or Quad core, Quad core is "better" since its the same as dual core with just well, double the cores however very little software uses more than 2 processors at the moment.
1 Like #2
core 2 duo is faster then quad core but at the same time quad core will better for future proof, try to get a q6600 as this can be overclocked to 3.4ghz

dont bother with dual core they were the first dual chips and are slow
#3
wickedteen
core 2 duo is faster then quad core but at the same time quad core will better for future proof, try to get a q6600 as this can be overclocked to 3.4ghz

dont bother with dual core they were the first dual chips and are slow


I lol at your wrongness.
#4
Thanks everyone - what sort of graphics card should I be looking for then?
#5
Im not sure, but I think they're healthier done in the oven :p
#6
go on then,

core 2 duo is quite a bit faster in gaming compared to the quad, as i have both and get better frame rates with the duo
#7
glendin
Thanks everyone - what sort of graphics card should I be looking for then?


if ihad the money i would go for the latest nvidia 295
#8
glendin
Thanks everyone - what sort of graphics card should I be looking for then?


Depends on what pc you have, its not too technical but the best ones take up 2 spaces on the motherboard(only plugged into 1 slot but is the size of 2) like a HD4870 which is around £100

To run that however you need a good power supply which again is at least £40

But its all down to the sort of games you want to play, the resolution and if you want every graphics feature enabled to make it as "shiny" as possible.
#9
as for psu try to go for at least 600w and a good brand, cos if it blows it could well take out the whole system
#10
wickedteen
as for psu try to go for at least 600w and a good brand, cos if it blows it could well take out the whole system


Id only go for a 600W psu if they want a powerful card like I mentioned otherwise something like 400W is suitable.
#11
Thanks for your comments. Ideally I want it to be future proof (at least for a couple of years) and to be able to play most modern games without it grinding to a halt. If the graphics have to be turned down a little I guess that would be OK.

Thanks again.
#12
depends if they want to start overclocking aswell

also go for ddr3 as its cheaper at the moment then ddr2, so watch what board you go for and dont forget a decent size monitor
#13
wickedteen
depends if they want to start overclocking aswell

also go for ddr3 as its cheaper at the moment then ddr2, so watch what board you go for


I dont think the OP has the technical know how for that if they are asking the difference between dual and quad core etc!
#14
Well it all depends on you budget.Well for games the most important factor is the GPU. So if you want to play first person shooters your looking at £100+ for a GPU (ATI 4870, nVidia GTX260 upwards). As most games only support 2 cores then a high clocked two core processor is the way to go.
#15
Whatever you do don't buy it from PC World or take advice from anyone that works there!! :p
#16
dcx_badass
I'll show you to the door.....


whatever, at least i gaive a reason for what i say and it makes sense to me
#17
The processor is not the deciding factor in gaming. It is the graphics card that provides the ability to play graphically-intensive games.

A better processor will handle memory management more efficiently which is still a factor in gaming. A quad core processor is faster than a dual core processor BUT only when comparing like for like. For example, the outdated Q6600 processor is not as fast as some of the latest Core 2 Duo processors because it handles less instructions per clock cycle and uses less L2 cache. Furthermore, the newer Core 2 processors have a much faster bus speed which means communications with the memory and other devices such as the graphics card is faster, so they are faster than older quad core Core 2 processors. However, they are NOT faster than current Core 2 Quads based on the same amount of cache, die and manufacturing process.

As for AMD v Intel, the quad core Phenom 2s are priced to compete with the high end dual core Intel Core 2 Duos. The Phenom 2s are faster than the Intel COre 2 Duos largely due to a 3rd level cache and inbuilt memory controller. Intel's i7 and i5 processors are currently the fastest on the market as they use a similar inbuilt memory controllers as AMD processors, support even more instructions per clock cycle and supports 2 threads per core giving a virtual 8 cores (yes, they have reintroduced Hyperthreading, last seen in the P4).

With regards to graphics card, it is not so clear cut as to which brand (ATi or nVidia) has the fastest but Ati's 5870 model has a trick up its sleeve in providing multiple outputs which support multi-monitor gamin. It allows for 3 monitors to be used for a panoramic gaming experience. Later models will support 6 monitors! It is capable of over 80 fps in Call of Duty 4 at maximum detail settings.
#18
exactly what i meant, lol
#19
wickedteen
also go for ddr3 as its cheaper at the moment then ddr2


You are jesting, aren't you?
#20
Have a look at this chart which shows the i7s well ahead with AMD Phenom 2s outclassing high end Core 2 Duos and some Core 2 quads.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
#21
dcx_badass
You didn't give a reason at all though, and you were completely wrong.


It depends which CPUs WickedTeen is comparing. In general, and like for like, a quad core processor will be much faster than a dual core but if comparing an old quad core processor to a modern high end dual core processor, it is quite likely that the modern dual core would be faster in applications that do not support many threads. The information WickedTeen gave is vague so we can't pass judgement.
#22
wickedteen
go on then,

core 2 duo is quite a bit faster in gaming compared to the quad, as i have both and get better frame rates with the duo

...no. Just no.

Core 2 Duo performs exactly the same as a Core 2 Quad (if they are the same architecture / clock speed) in most games, however the quad will be the more future proof but also the more expensive.
banned#23
why not just buy a 360 / ps3

it'll last 5 years and can be had for the price of a mid-range graphics card!
#24
csiman
why not just buy a 360 / ps3

it'll last 5 years and can be had for the price of a mid-range graphics card!


Because you pay £10 more for every game and will have to change all your peripherals at the end of that five years?

Go for quad-core, intel haven't even released dual-core versions of their new design and many games are using quad-core now: http://www.behardware.com/articles/769-5/geforce-radeon-and-multicore-cpus-where-we-re-at.html
#25
I forgot to explain the difference between dual core and quad core processors, as requested by the OP.

When a program runs, it can create something called a "thread". A thread is a piece of code that can run independently of other threads. To give an example, a game called Space Invaders might have 3 threads - one to control the movement of the graphics, one to capture input from the keyboard or joystick and another tokeep track of score. These 3 threads seem to run at the same time on a single core processor. However, they do NOT run at the same time and they are not multi-tasked (which means running at the same time). They are time-sliced so that thread 1 runs for a few milliseconds, then it stops, then thread 2 runs for a few milliseconds, then it stops, then thread 3 and so on. This is so quick it gives the impression of multi-tasking. However, a single core processor cannot handle all 3 at once - it is time sliced because it can only run 1 thread at once.

Moving on to a dual core processor improves things because one core could run 1 thread and the other could run 2 threads. Since we have separate cores here, we have true multi-tasking because the core that is running 1 thread does not have to time-slice to allow the other threads to run - it can hog the whole core.

A quad core is even better because each of the 3 threads can be run on individual cores at the same time. This is true multi-tasking.

Almost every programme developed for current Windows OSs will use more than one thread - in fact, Windows OS itself uses hundreds and hundreds of threads. This means the more cores the processor, the faster it will be when running Windows applications. Those who say that a multi-core processor requires software specially written to use it are WRONG! In actuality, specially written software use multi-core processors more efficiently. This is no exception for gaming and while the current majority are not specially written for multi-core processors they are still multi-threaded and hence the extra cores do speed things up.
banned#26
dcx_badass;6664306
Link to a £60-80 360/PS3 also consoles get outdated quickly, a PC can last 5 years aswell if you don't want the latest graphics (like console users aswell)

ps2 over 9 years old now!

and you dont have to keep paying £80 every 18 months to play the latest games

been there before and cost me a fortune compared to the ps3. PC games are just bad ports most of the time anyway
#27
if price is an issue then you can have an amd athlon 2 quadcore processor for around £70, they seem to get favourable reviews and will leave some extra cash for a gfx card
#28
Give us a budget, and we can make reccomendations.

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