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Does this scare the hell out of anybody else?? Or is it just me?

hannah19790 Avatar
8y, 5m agoPosted 8 years, 5 months ago
Sex Education for 4 year olds!!

Children as young as four should be given compulsory sex education, two leading sexual health charities say.

The Family Planning Association and Brook told BBC Newsbeat more should be done to cut abortion rates and sexually transmitted infections among teenagers.

They argue gradual education from such a young age would help children not to rush into sex when they were older.

The Department for Children, Schools and Family said it was reviewing the

delivery of sex education in schools.


Children aged four might be taught about the names of body parts and basic ideas about different relationships.

The government is not giving young people enough information about sex and relationships, the charities add.
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#2
My mum, being a nurse, taught us body parts when me and my four brothers were very young. I don't see a problem with it. Nothing was hidden, children are curious and I wanted to know why my brothers had extra bits lol once she explained I lost interest.....It was the same with allowing us sips of alcohol when we were young too, no harm done there. None of us heavy drinkers (except me on a night out!!!).
banned#3
And I had to wait for a long time for no good reason :x
#4
It's just getting too much. They are having their childhoods taken away and it's not fair. I guess that we as parents aren't deemed clever enough to decide when our children should learn about such things.

If my son asks questions I answer then honestly to the level of information I feel he should know and can handle. I don't want the state sticking their nose in ....yet again.
#5
no hannah - not just you - why fill an innocent 4 yr old with facts that will have no relevence to them for another 10 yrs - at least - for the majority - hope parents will object to this -

mine are 12 - 14 yrs - waiting for letter regarding injection for cervical cancer - i know what ill be doing with it -

childhood innocence being taken off them by grey suits sitting in their ivory towers -
banned#6
doesnt scare me half as much as the fact swiss scientists are soon to start up the billion pound device to recreate the big bang. A small chance of us creating a black hole apparently. Not that we''d know much about it if the experiment went wrong. I believe September sometime is the date.

c'est la vie I guess.
banned#7
4 is way to young the younger you teach em the younger they will start. i i think year 5 and 6 is when they should be taught sex ed
#8
hellfire
It's just getting too much. They are having their childhoods taken away and it's not fair. I guess that we as parents aren't deemed clever enough to decide when our children should learn about such things.

If my son asks questions I answer then honestly to the level of information I feel he should know and can handle. I don't want the state sticking their nose in ....yet again.


holly100
no hannah - not just you - why fill an innocent 4 yr old with facts that will have no relevence to them for another 10 yrs - at least - for the majority - hope parents will object to this -

mine are 12 - 14 yrs - waiting for letter regarding injection for cervical cancer - i know what ill be doing with it -

childhood innocence being taken off them by grey suits sitting in their ivory towers -



Thank God for that. I agree with u both. My son is 5 in September and he hasn't a clue about any of that side of things and not for any other reason than the fact it has never crossed his mind - and I don't think there is anything wrong with that!!
#9
choc1969
My mum, being a nurse, taught us body parts when me and my four brothers were very young. I don't see a problem with it. Nothing was hidden, children are curious and I wanted to know why my brothers had extra bits lol once she explained I lost interest.....It was the same with allowing us sips of alcohol when we were young too, no harm done there. None of us heavy drinkers (except me on a night out!!!).


U know ur own child, and think that it should be up to the parents to decide whether u think they need to know all these details and not anybody else!!
banned#10
hellfire
It's just getting too much. They are having their childhoods taken away and it's not fair. I guess that we as parents aren't deemed clever enough to decide when our children should learn about such things.

If my son asks questions I answer then honestly to the level of information I feel he should know and can handle. I don't want the state sticking their nose in ....yet again.


Dont have kids as yet, still on the look out for a bride, but still for some reason cannot ever disagree with HF
#11
Dell_in_the_bed
Dont have kids as yet, still on the look out for a bride, but still for some reason cannot ever disagree with HF


:-D:thumbsup:
#12
No not just you at all - they don't seem to be allowed ti be children anymore and are being provoked in to growing up to quickly! It's not fair!! Being taught body parts - good but sex education - ridiculous!!
banned#13
hellfire
:-D:thumbsup:


My hug is still pending :x
#14
Dell_in_the_bed
My hug is still pending :x


:friends:

That better? :-D
#15
I don't see a problem with it. My 3 year old asks questions about body parts and I answer them truthfully.
This is the gornment making sure this happens for all kids. Remember, not all parents will answere these questions and will try and hide the facts from kids. That's wrong in my opinion.
#16
I see the problem that the government always tries and somehow manages to get it wrong.

I have no issue with young children knowing about body parts and getting the basics. I believe that some of the issue comes from the environment children are brought up in. My 2 girls have grown up with us (as a family) having animals on our land and breeding them. It soon becomes very clear what goes on between a male and female and what the result is. They ask a few questions and they just know it is part of nature and that we are no different.

being brought up in a city with no natural references around you can create ignorance because you just dont come across it. my problem is with the way it will be taught. I suspect that they will go over the top, get it all twisted with sexual predation and confuse the toddlers with issues of homosexuality or some such that they are just no able to cope with.

One point on the 'no childhood anymore' issue. This is a fiction from victorian/edwardian times when the middle classes tried to keep their kids locked up (particularly girls) and out of harms way. The rest of the population went to work at 12 or 14 (and even earlier) and became a contributing part of the community. I know my father did at 14. The current trend for staying at home with your parents until your are in your mid twenties and being completely looked after....... that is an extended childhood, not a lost one.

but I digress. The damage to childhood comes from us adults dressing our children inappropriately and loving it when they act like little adults, giving mobile phones instead of lego for xmas. this is what removes the childhood that I think we look back on with fondness.
#17
backtothecaves
I don't see a problem with it. My 3 year old asks questions about body parts and I answer them truthfully.
This is the gornment making sure this happens for all kids. Remember, not all parents will answere these questions and will try and hide the facts from kids. That's wrong in my opinion.


Answering questions about body parts is in my opinion very different to teaching them about relationships and sex
banned#18
hellfire
:friends:

That better? :-D


perfect :-D
#19
Why are people scared about kids finding out the 'facts of life' as the phrase goes.
If our children have been brought up well and understand the difference between right and wrong and it's explained correctly, there should be no reason to worry.
Kids will experiment with sex and inspect each others body parts when you aren't there anyway. Wouldn't you rather give them the correct version yourself, so that when they are faced with an older child offering to 'show and tell', they are already aquinted with the facts and know what they should and shouldn't do?
In my opinion, this government move suggests parents aren't upfront enough about this sort of thing, and it's likely that is what is causing problems, because the kids don't know enough, so they are then experimenting in private.
#20
Yeah right, teenagers today have so little information on sex that they feel the need to go out and try it. I guess thats why so many take drugs as well? And what about the increase in binge drinking among teenagers, is that because they don't have all the facts on that either?
#21
Dell_in_the_bed
perfect :-D


Any time for you hun ;-):-D
#22
When I first heard this I honestly thought it was a joke, I can't believe it's actually real. Having worked with primary school infants I just can't imagine them being given sex education...

John
banned#23
Are these people all for "grooming" kids or something?

What the hell is the purpose of telling kids these things when they are still learning how to pee!

Absolute madness.
#24
guv


What the hell is the purpose of telling kids these things when they are still learning how to pee!



Agree totally :thumbsup:
1 Like #25
I know it does sound a little worrying and i have a little boy who is four so can completely understand and i have a shared view on the idea. My son asks questions as to why i don't have a willy like everyone else (i have 3 boys) and asks questions as to where his baby brother came from and 'can he go back in your belly now!' I am honest with him and dont want to confuse him but it is a different matter when someone else is telling them the information :? It is young and i would prefer them to start a little later on.

I am worried about the age kids are having sex etc but i do feel that if it is talked about openly then there is less need to find out yourself! This comes from experience! I didn't grow up with my parents and i guess my grandparents were too embarrassed to approach the subject.I never had the good old talk about the birds and the bees and when i did it was too late! I was sexually active a lot younger than i should have been and i regret it to this day!
#26
Aimee1985
I know it does sound a little worrying and i have a little boy who is four so can completely understand and i have a shared view on the idea. My son asks questions as to why i don't have a willy like everyone else (i have 3 boys) and asks questions as to where his baby brother came from and 'can he go back in your belly now!' I am honest with him and dont want to confuse him but it is a different matter when someone else is telling them the information :? It is young and i would prefer them to start a little later on.

I am worried about the age kids are having sex etc but i do feel that if it is talked about openly then there is less need to find out yourself! This comes from experience! I didn't grow up with my parents and i guess my grandparents were too embarrassed to approach the subject.I never had the good old talk about the birds and the bees and when i did it was too late! I was sexually active a lot younger than i should have been and i regret it to this day!


Very open and honest - rep to you for an interesting first hand perspective.
#27
I don't think it's a problem. It would be aimed at a level they could understand. And i think it's better if you introduce these things slowly so there is less curiosity so less experimenting firther down the line.
banned#28
I was doing you show me yours and I'll show you mine, me a mate and two girls when we were 9....I'm now 25. Think 8-9 is the right age, didn't have a clue what I saw was for :lol:
#29
There is a lot more underage sex and teenage pregnancies these days than the last generation and before. And yet years ago sex was an embarrassing fact and never talked about - does this not say anything?
banned#30
hannah19790
There is a lot more underage sex and teenage pregnancies these days than the last generation and before. And yet years ago sex was an embarrassing fact and never talked about - does this not say anything?


you were a prude :lol:
#31
holly100
no hannah - not just you - why fill an innocent 4 yr old with facts that will have no relevence to them for another 10 yrs - at least - for the majority - hope parents will object to this -

mine are 12 - 14 yrs - waiting for letter regarding injection for cervical cancer - i know what ill be doing with it -

childhood innocence being taken off them by grey suits sitting in their ivory towers -


Cervical cancer is the sixth most common cancer in women in the UK and around 1000 women die from cervical cancer in the UK each year.
I'd be more worried about the long term affects of giving under 5 year olds the flu jabs, whcih I hear they are planning to introduce.
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2755

You can't predict what your children are going to do and when. You can only hope they will be sensible. I don't know much about the injection but I certainly wouldn't dismiss it.
#32
It sounds like lots of folks on here are doing the right thing - answering questions and teaching kids about these things gently.
Unfortunately not everyone is as good as you lot which is where I guess the nanny state comes in. It doesn't sound like the plan is to give kids sex education as such - "Children aged four might be taught about the names of body parts and basic ideas about different relationships" - so what's the problem?
I'd guess that you can opt your kids out of this if you feel like it (that was an option for parents when we did sex ed at school 20 years ago).
#33
lumoruk
you were a prude :lol:


lol, I wish I was. It's just that They didn't have the problem years ago but have now - that's the biggest thing that has changed. :thumbsup:
#34
Children now are more curious. I was gob smacked when my grandson asked me why he had a winky and mummy didn`t.(he`s 3 by the way)
Told him boys and girls are made different.That`s why boys are boys and girls are girls.
I hope as he gets older, I will be able to tell him about the facts of life.
I think its better that a family member (dont be rude you lot) can tell them, rather than at school, when even at the age of 4, kids can get embarresed.
Just my opinion.
#35
hannah19790
There is a lot more underage sex and teenage pregnancies these days than the last generation and before. And yet years ago sex was an embarrassing fact and never talked about - does this not say anything?


Providing the couple are no more than 4 years apart in age, the age of consent in Holland is 12.

The Netherlands has the lowest teen pregnancy rate in Europe.

Does this say anything?

(I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the age of consent in Holland but it certainly is thought provoking about how they do things...)


I personally think that **as long as the education is at a level which the child will understand and not get scared of**, and sex education is framed to be understood as something between two people who love each other and consent (rather than the X goes into the Y and produces a Z!), then the child should be taught gradually about sex.

In an ideal world, children perhaps should be taught all this by their parents - but this is assuming that all parents would teach their children properly! What about parents with hangups about sex, or some weird bitterness, or just a downright screwup? The kid needs to get some third party, unbiased information.
#36
so let me get this straight.

Kids as young as 4 MIGHT be taught body parts and BASIC information on different relationships???

Obviously would have to see what exactly they were taught but I really can't see the harm in learning the proper names for things (they wont use em anyway) after all they are just names, and building an understanding as to what constitues a good relationship...

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