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7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
hi...i have been searching for ages for a Yorkshire terrier,now trawling throught the spam ads from abroad(the ones that cannot spell and have pictures of calender puppies..then offer to ship the "baby" to me..ok yeah then)
anyways i have found a few that are a few hours drive away ..but alot of pups are registered with DLRC OR PPRC.......not the KENNEL CLUB....so searching the other 2 registrations i found alot of links to puppy farms as its easy to register a puppy via them(i can go do it now ,make a name up and pay the £7)while i wasnt fussy about getting a KC registered pup..just a healthy,home reared one..i object to people with litters selling non registered pups as "registered" be it with non recognised clubs.......im now confused..any breeders out there who use these registration clubs that can offer me a it advice id be grateful...im not saying every breeder who uses them is not a good breeder..because the KC has had a bad press recently as well.........anyone helppppppp
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7y, 11m agoPosted 7 years, 11 months ago
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1 Like #1
my advice would be to get a list of reputable breeders from local vets
1 Like #2
http://www.epupz.co.uk/ this site is where i got one of mine
1 Like #3
ring the people and ask do they have all the relevent health tests!!
good breeders will do it because its right not because its whats needed for reg!!

I am against DLRC because they seem to register anything and everything and people are buying them on the premice they are "registered"

also to add most decent breeders who KC reg will endorse their pups "progeny not eligeble for registration" basically you cant register pups from that dog/bitch this protects the breeders lines and can be removed by the breeder at a later date if required!

HTH

ps [url]www.champdogs.co.uk[/url] is a good start!
#4
dmissy13
http://www.epupz.co.uk/ this site is where i got one of mine


i have been on there and there are plenty of pups,alot of columbian scammers,but alot of the websites are selling "pprc and dlrc registered"pups...which searcing on the web are not regulated,and are used by puppy farms because they are easy .....instead of breeders selling litters as "not registered"ie KC they are claiming them to be "registered" with one of these clubs..........i didnt know there was a difference until i searched on the net...what i need is a breeder who uses them to advise..there are forums full of warnings about them.are they that bad?.but everywhere i read that the KC is the only recognised club
1 Like #5
but then it shouldnt really matter if the dog is a member of any club as the only way you call tell if the dog/breeder is any good is go see them, see the mother and father of the pups etc, my puppy was a kc dog yet sold to me with parvo (obviously didnt no @ the time) but the kc club is not as special as it used to be and a also be very careful of fake kc slips etc
#6
foxymissroxy
ring the people and ask do they have all the relevent health tests!!
good breeders will do it because its right not because its whats needed for reg!!

I am against DLRC because they seem to register anything and everything and people are buying them on the premice they are "registered"

also to add most decent breeders who KC reg will endorse their pups "progeny not eligeble for registration" basically you cant register pups from that dog/bitch this protects the breeders lines and can be removed by the breeder at a later date if required!

HTH

ps [url]www.champdogs.co.uk[/url] is a good start!


DLRC comment is what im meaning.........i have had KC reg spaniels in the past..and the breeder of the yorkies went on about being registered..wasnt till i said "whats her kc name"..they said its not kc its Pedigree pets ..thats who we use....when i went on to their website i realised i could register a dog with any name and no proof and get a fancy pedigree sent to me.....looking at it i could make anything up and it woudnt matter....what i mean is i would rather a breeder was honest and said "not registered" than fancied it up by registering with a useless club........is that what they are doing?
#7
I would go onto the KC website where there is a list of puppies availible for each breed.Please do not believe all you hear in the press about KC reg dogs, this is the right way to go to find a reputable breeder.Ask all the questions and be guided by the breeders answers.
Please dont go down the puppy farm route.
#8
However you search for breeders there will be dodgy ones you need to know what to look for and ask to find a good breeder eg see the pups with mum, see dad
#9
varminty
I would go onto the KC website where there is a list of puppies availible for each breed.Please do not believe all you hear in the press about KC reg dogs, this is the right way to go to find a reputable breeder.Ask all the questions and be guided by the breeders answers.
Please dont go down the puppy farm route.


i would never ever ever go down the puppy farm route.....thats what im worried about ..these farms use the PPRC and DLRC to register puppies,as it is easy for them to get a certificate.....but searching the for sale ads alot of breeders use them as well........which worries me as a prospective owner..
the couple have mum and dad yorkie so i will meet them...but live 150 miles away,so im going to see pup,on collection day,they seem lovley..but i dont know them,pups are "pedigree and registered"but with the PPRC...im all worried that they are a secret puppy farm front...OTT maybe ..i just want to make sure im getting what i think i am.
1 Like #10
If you are interested in a specific breed then find your local breed club and go to a meeting/show. Expect the members to check you out and find out if you are really serious, but once you have proved yourself as a credible owner you will get plenty of good advice.

I found this link to local yorkie clubs: http://www.kennels.co.uk/Toy/YorkshireTerrier.htm
#11
I would always recommend checking the Kennel Club website FIRST, you will find details of Breed clubs on there, you can contact the secretarys for details, many clubs have a register of puppies availible, as well as the KC'S own, there have been many websites set up looking like they are for reputable breeders but on the whole they are NOT.
#12
would you consider a rescue dog/puppy ?
#14
Dub1
would you consider a rescue dog/puppy ?


we have had rescue dogs i the past,but have never had a dog from being a puppy...we have always had some idiots not wanted/abused dog(our gain though).......i would love to have a dog that i have had from a baby...one that no one else has hurt!!...and since we now have a 5 year old who is allergic to pet hair,apart from my mums yorkie....a yorkie it is..
1 Like #15
Most Bred clubs also have resue coordinaters if you do, so again contact the secretarys, i have done a post with the links mentioned, but apparently it has to be moderated before it shows up?

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/club/breed.aspx?id=6165

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/psar/display.aspx?breed=6165&area=0
#16
varminty thaks for that its all appreciated x x
1 Like #17
try Epupz and visit as many litters as possible and try to see both mum and dad. There is a lot of advice to give, just ask if you have any particular question in mind :thumbsup:
#18
im fine with the whole viewing a puppy and will take my time..but im mainly wondering where the other registration bodies came from....and if anyone has any experience with them...DLRC and PPRC.on searching they look like a scam set up to enable breeders to sell "registered puppies"without the regulations the KC have......i know for a fact one breeder has a litter of 5 week old yorkies ..but the mum had a litter in june as well..so 2 litters in less than a year...KC wont let you register more than one a year...i would rather they sold the pups as unregistered ..than fancying it up and registering with one of the other "clubs" and charging KC prices....my whole point is it has put me off buying from dogs registered with them..and im not sure if im right or not...there just seem to be alot of puppies out there that are registered pprc.....also while im on about it ..the amount of chorkies/sprockers and the likes out there..ie cross breeds being sold at £600!!!!!is astounding...no wonder puppy farms are thriving !!
1 Like #19
lorsmanic
im fine with the whole viewing a puppy and will take my time..but im mainly wondering where the other registration bodies came from....and if anyone has any experience with them...DLRC and PPRC.on searching they look like a scam set up to enable breeders to sell "registered puppies"without the regulations the KC have......i know for a fact one breeder has a litter of 5 week old yorkies ..but the mum had a litter in june as well..so 2 litters in less than a year...KC wont let you register more than one a year...i would rather they sold the pups as unregistered ..than fancying it up and registering with one of the other "clubs" and charging KC prices....my whole point is it has put me off buying from dogs registered with them..and im not sure if im right or not...there just seem to be alot of puppies out there that are registered pprc.....also while im on about it ..the amount of chorkies/sprockers and the likes out there..ie cross breeds being sold at £600!!!!!is astounding...no wonder puppy farms are thriving !!


KC do allow back to back breedings but only once, basically with dlrc and pprc you are buying a mongrel because non of the family is checked or researched, and i think they charge summit like £5 a pup to register and the Kc charge £12- yet as you pointed out they are still selling them for the same price!! im not sure but i think they dont get a unique name either but dotn quote me on that!!

I'm not saying that all the Kc breeders are good because its far from the truth but basically its about doing your research and asking loads of questions a good breeder will allow you to their house and ask hourfs worth of questions if thats what you want!! well thats what we do and we are always at the end of the fone of they have any problems troubles whatever they may be!!

but to who ever said make sure you see the sire thats not always possible sometimes the sire can be seen on request but alot of breeders use other studs to give variation in the lines!!

hth
#20
foxymissroxy
KC do allow back to back breedings but only once, basically with dlrc and pprc you are buying a mongrel because non of the family is checked or researched, and i think they charge summit like £5 a pup to register and the Kc charge £12- yet as you pointed out they are still selling them for the same price!! im not sure but i think they dont get a unique name either but dotn quote me on that!!

I'm not saying that all the Kc breeders are good because its far from the truth but basically its about doing your research and asking loads of questions a good breeder will allow you to their house and ask hourfs worth of questions if thats what you want!! well thats what we do and we are always at the end of the fone of they have any problems troubles whatever they may be!!

but to who ever said make sure you see the sire thats not always possible sometimes the sire can be seen on request but alot of breeders use other studs to give variation in the lines!!

hth
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!i thought that the 2 other registration "clubs"were worthless...its not that im hung up on a KC puppy...as i said f it were advertised as non reg and i was happy with its mum/surrounding etc..i would take one...what i was worried about was sellers making out that they are "registered" when they are nt and making a mint out of me...if that makes sense...it was when i read they were used by puppy farms as it was not regulated..that started me checking it out.......its worrying though because i can go now and get a pedigree from them for a non existant dog..it costs £5...and use it for any dog i want to sell...so really owners of dogs registered only with them dont really know what they have....

one seller told me that PPRC was "just the same" as KC....i didnt want to go off on one at him if he was right...
#21
foxymissroxy is spot on. The KC is the only true registration process, and if breeders are members of breed clubs they also have a code of ethics they are asked to adhere too.As with anything their are always the odd ones that slip through the net, but most people are honest and care about their dogs, only breeding when they want something for themselves to show or continue a line, so then have other puppies from that litter for sale.

If you dont want the KC paperwork they might sell you one for less money from a registered litter, you could ask, i would much rather this than buying from animals with no true ped you just would not know what you were really getting. Plus if you did have a problem with your daughters allergy a proper breeder would help either taking the pup back or helping with rehoming. The other so called registrations are not worth the paper they are written on i am afraid.
#22
thanks all ..when i get this puppy i shall post "oooh" and "aaah" pics....Varminty im hoping my daughter is fine..she is great with my mums yorkie...and i have even had the dog stay for hols around the house...and she had no problem....i hoover way too much anyway so am hoping that will help.x.
#23
If you want an honest answer Speak with the Breed Rescue and ask for contacts, these people have to deal with the mess left by the puppy farmers and can usually offer good advice as to who to speak to and who to trust. [COLOR="Blue"]ABOVE ALL - DO NOT BUY PUPPY FARMED ![/COLOR] A lot of the internet sales establishments are fronts for Puppy Farmers, don't go there... LOOK AT THIS YORKY RESCUE PAGE - They may give some good advice : http://theyorkierescue.co.uk Also Check out http://www.dogpages.org.uk/breedt.htm for other Yorkshire Terrier Rescue Centres

http://celiahammond.org/index.php?PAGE_id=30&PAGE_user_op=view_page&module=pagemaster shows what some Puppy Farmers get up to...
#24
Hi
I don't know if you have ever seen a website called Epupz - give them a try as you can do a regional search. Also, maybe try Pets4homes.

Good Luck and look out for the Puppy farms!!!:x

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