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suspended6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
Right my husband wants a springer spaniel. A family pet he said, and a bit of fun up in the woods sometimes with an air rifle.

We picked a puppy, paid deposit & meant to get him first week of April.

He has decided he wants one with it's tail cut off so he can take it hunting. No discussion, just what HE wants it seems.

i want the puppy we picked together, the one that has it tail not amputated.

I am really against it & think it's mean.

What are your opinions. We aint getting a dog at this rate :)
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suspended6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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#1
docing tails is now illegal in the uk
#2
Unless its a working dog. So legally he still can if hes using it for hunting ;-)
banned#3
wickedteen
docing tails is now illegal in the uk


+1

I thought it was illegal
#4
what purpose does the tail off have in hunting?
suspended#6
Not on working dogs apparently, It's mean, and it hurts.

I'm just gonna say don't get a dog. Marriage is about compromise , and I wouldnt have picked a springer in the first place so I gave in there.

And I'm not picking up his toys when he throws them out pram later :D
#7
This is the law now. I don't think your case would qualify as a working dog:
http://www.cdb.org/awa/index.htm

And all those documents you have to have, is it worth it??
#8
Many reasons are given for the different breeds and range from the need to protect certain breeds from tail damage, for hygiene reasons, or to protect breed standards.
#9
Because tails are a distraction. You don't want your dog giving up on retrieving that bird you've just shot out of a tree because it suddenly fancies a game of 'Where's my Tail'. I joke, of course. I don't really know.

But, how come you feel annoyed at the dog losing (most of) it's tail but yet you haven't shown any regard for the poor creatures nailed with the air rifle?
#10
wickedteen;7958667
docing tails is now illegal in the uk

Not unless the dog is in a working catergory.

Some vets refuse to do it even with working dogs, albeit they have to go in a round about way to do it.

I personally don't agree with it, do not recommend to my clients, and also your dog will not be "used" enough in a working manner to reach this decision.
The reason they are docked, is to prevent injury whilst out working, catching tail in bushes etc etc.

Noone has even mentioned the medical side of things, the tail is actually a part of the dogs spine, and i totally believe its more a cosmetic reasoning that your husband is thinking than a precautionary element.
#11
sometimes my large german shepherd with its long tail that reaches the ground gets filthy, maybe i should just cut it off so i wont have to clean it anymore and its a hunting dog cos it tries to catch cats................DONT THINK SO
banned#12
as for tail docking totally against it ..
#13
my mum used to breed dobermanns year ago before the docking ban came in. the ideal way was to tie a band round the tail when born and it will fall off within 2 weeks. i dont agree with the way the vets used to do it which was just cut it off and you could always tell one that had been done by the vets as the fur would never cover the end of the tail and it was left bould.
#14
I think it is unnecessary mutilation and I would refuse to have a docked-tail dog.

loupomm
what purpose does the tail off have in hunting?

The answer given by pro-dockers is that the spaniels catch their tails in barbed wire or tangled thickets and cause damage requiring amputation.

I totally disagree with docking and I disagree with tail reduction as well - Springers have their tails cut to about a third of the natural length.
As I read somewhere, it makes as much sense as a footballer having a leg amputation, because their work results in leg damage.
Also labs and other hunting/working dogs are not deemed to require this so it makes even less sense.
Dogs swim much better if they have tails and Springers are often in a hunting environment where they need to swim.

The anti-docking alliance say this:
Ihttp://anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page_18.htm
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my preferred option would be to 'dock' the husband :x
#16
greyparrot;7958838
my mum used to breed dobermanns year ago before the docking ban came in. the ideal way was to tie a band round the tail when born and it will fall off within 2 weeks. i dont agree with the way the vets used to do it which was just cut it off and you could always tell one that had been done by the vets as the fur would never cover the end of the tail and it was left bould.

ROFL!!! So its more humane to wrap an elastic band around a tail for 2 weeks, risking blood poisoning than it is to go under local and have it done professionally? If your daughter was born with an extra finger, would you do the elastic band method yourself rather than consult a specialist, DON'T BE RIDICILOUS!
#17
MissBehave
Not on working dogs apparently, It's mean, and it hurts.

I'm just gonna say don't get a dog. Marriage is about compromise , and I wouldnt have picked a springer in the first place so I gave in there.

And I'm not picking up his toys when he throws them out pram later :D


Totally agree with you:thumbsup:

Can see no good reason for cutting off a dogs tail.

We interfere with nature way too much and this is really a cosmetic preference:x

I used to think that some breeds looked good with a docked tail, I've learnt better now!
#18
mrsj2008
my preferred option would be to 'dock' the husband :x


Rep to you:p

Priceless:-D
#19
my dogs tail would make a wonderful duster, the way she struts around and knocks every damn thing over
#20
Lulu'sMammy
ROFL!!! So its more humane to wrap an elastic band around a tail for 2 weeks, risking blood poisoning than it is to go under local and have it done professionally? If your daughter was born with an extra finger, would you do the elastic band method yourself rather than consult a specialist, DON'T BE RIDICILOUS!


thats the whole thing they wasnt put under local years ago it was just chopped at a week old if that was what the breeder wanted so yeah back then it was more humane all the band did was stop the blood supply and it would dry up and fall off. i am not being ridiculous i just know what i am talking about lol and i have never heard of kids fingers being docked.
#21
MAIA
Totally agree with you:thumbsup:

Can see no good reason for cutting off a dogs tail.

We interfere with nature way too much and this is really a cosmetic preference:x

I used to think that some breeds looked good with a docked tail, I've learnt better now!


I couldn't agree more. Rottweilers look gorgeous with tails, but I thought they would look silly with one. I couldn't be more wrong.

The only argument I can see for docking tails, is the big dogs bloody hurt when they whack you with them. I have to keep jumping out the way of my dog's tail when I come in but I know it is only because she is so pleased to see me. I would never cosmetically alter my dog.
#22
good on ya hun for sticking to ya guns - i think you're right to say why......................?
#23
I thought it was banned now. Some people I know had to make an extra effort to get their dobermann before the law was changed, as they didn't like the look of them with tails!
#24
greyparrot;7958912
thats the whole thing they wasnt put under local years ago it was just chopped at a week old if that was what the breeder wanted so yeah back then it was more humane all the band did was stop the blood supply and it would dry up and fall off. i am not being ridiculous i just know what i am talking about lol and i have never heard of kids fingers being docked.

I've been in the animal profession for the last 12 years, tail docking without anas, was done if the puppy was between 2-5days old, their nervous system hadn't developed properly by this stage and therefore meant a discomfort whilst the procedure was being done. I have never done docking, i refused in my training, and had to go to higher grounds to enable the passing of my qualification. Therefore, what makes you think that your method would be any less painful than the "professional" method? Have you ever had a too tight band around your wrist and felt how annoying that is? imagine that for 2 weeks, not mentioning the added risks of Blood poisioning, trauma, damage to spine etc etc, what makes your mum know more about tail docking than a qualified vet surgeon?
Now just to end, you stated you knew what you were talking about, and referred that i didn't....:whistling:please enlighten me.
banned#25
Lulu'sMammy
I've been in the animal profession for the last 12 years, tail docking without anas, was done if the puppy was between 2-5days old, their nervous system hadn't developed properly by this stage and therefore meant a discomfort whilst the procedure was being done. I have never done docking, i refused in my training, and had to go to higher grounds to enable the passing of my qualification. Therefore, what makes you think that your method would be any less painful than the "professional" method? Have you ever had a too tight band around your wrist and felt how annoying that is? imagine that for 2 weeks, not mentioning the added risks of Blood poisioning, trauma, damage to spine etc etc, what makes your mum know more about tail docking than a qualified vet surgeon?
Now just to end, you stated you knew what you were talking about, and referred that i didn't....:whistling:please enlighten me.


ooh now this will be interesting :-D
#26
Aww man - another infraction received !!!

I even starred out the naughty bits !!!!!!!!
banned#27
ChrisUK
Aww man - another infraction received !!!

I even starred out the naughty bits !!!!!!!!


man bits might have been a better descriptive .. doesn't have the same ring but saves on the infections :p
#28
Lulu'sMammy
I've been in the animal profession for the last 12 years, tail docking without anas, was done if the puppy was between 2-5days old, their nervous system hadn't developed properly by this stage and therefore meant a discomfort whilst the procedure was being done. I have never done docking, i refused in my training, and had to go to higher grounds to enable the passing of my qualification. Therefore, what makes you think that your method would be any less painful than the "professional" method? Have you ever had a too tight band around your wrist and felt how annoying that is? imagine that for 2 weeks, not mentioning the added risks of Blood poisioning, trauma, damage to spine etc etc, what makes your mum know more about tail docking than a qualified vet surgeon?
Now just to end, you stated you knew what you were talking about, and referred that i didn't....:whistling:please enlighten me.


i am not referring that you dont know about animals but at the end of the day what i am saying is it was a way preferred by breeders of such breeds which i know as i have spent the last 20 years around breeders and it was all to do with dog showing they didnt like the way the vets did it as it was a simple snip which alot of dogs fur then didnt cover the end of the tail properley where as the band it made the tail look perfection again this is all to do with breeding for top show dogs were everything has to be perfect. i was sinply putting across the way docking was done and whether you agree or not it happened infact i would go as far as saying the experienced dog breeders 95% of them would do the docking themselves where as the novices went to the vets.
#29
Lulu'sMammy
I've been in the animal profession for the last 12 years, tail docking without anas, was done if the puppy was between 2-5days old, their nervous system hadn't developed properly by this stage and therefore meant a discomfort whilst the procedure was being done. I have never done docking, i refused in my training, and had to go to higher grounds to enable the passing of my qualification. Therefore, what makes you think that your method would be any less painful than the "professional" method? Have you ever had a too tight band around your wrist and felt how annoying that is? imagine that for 2 weeks, not mentioning the added risks of Blood poisioning, trauma, damage to spine etc etc, what makes your mum know more about tail docking than a qualified vet surgeon?
[COLOR="Red"]Now just to end, you stated you knew what you were talking about, and referred that i didn't....:whistling:please enlighten me[/COLOR].


[COLOR="red"]Dont see where she says you didnt[/COLOR]
#30
greyparrot;7959182
i am not referring that you dont know about animals but at the end of the day what i am saying is it was a way preferred by breeders of such breeds which i know as i have spent the last 20 years around breeders and it was all to do with dog showing they didnt like the way the vets did it as it was a simple snip which alot of dogs fur then didnt cover the end of the tail properley where as the band it made the tail look perfection again this is all to do with breeding for top show dogs were everything has to be perfect. i was sinply putting across the way docking was done and whether you agree or not it happened infact i would go as far as saying the experienced dog breeders 95% of them would do the docking themselves where as the novices went to the vets.

Which totally proves my point, it boiled down to money, status, and cosmetic standards. This is mostly why the ban became in place, novices doing medical procedures without a clue. Your saying your "ideal" method was using a band for 2 weeks, saying this is more humane, i totally disagree, so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
banned#31
chesso
I think it is unnecessary mutilation and I would refuse to have a docked-tail dog.


The answer given by pro-dockers is that the spaniels catch their tails in barbed wire or tangled thickets and cause damage requiring amputation.


Seems a bit lame. (No pun intended) Why not cut their legs off too in case they break them!
#32
Lulu'sMammy
Which totally proves my point, it boiled down to money, status, and cosmetic standards. This is mostly why the ban became in place, novices doing medical procedures without a clue. Your saying your "ideal" method was using a band for 2 weeks, saying this is more humane, i totally disagree, so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.


it was for cosmetic standards i agree with that.
#33
guv
Seems a bit lame. (No pun intended) Why not cut their legs off too in case they break them!


and their ears coz they drag on the floor and sometimes they tread on them. I don't think any uneccesary animal mutilation should be allowed except for medical reasons if they're injured.
#34
guv
Seems a bit lame. (No pun intended) Why not cut their legs off too in case they break them!

You didn't read the whole of my post did youy???roll:

Quite right though - it makes no sense and in Scotland they banned docking full stop whereas here in England they put in exceptions, for working dogs - 'caving' as usual even when the correct way is easy.
I have to say that I was shocked to see the gorgeous black lab that got a bravery award for sniffing out bombs in Afghanistan had a docked tail. I had never seen my fav breed docked before.
I can see in that case that there may be something that you don't want to bash with the powerful side swipes though.
#35
i used to have a yorkshire terrier years ago whos tail was cut of i now have two yorkies with tails i prefer them with their tails
i thought docking was illigal in this country the breeder i got my second yorky stopped breeding them for a few years because she didnt like the breed with tails but shes slowly changing her mind (i think she missed the money lol)
#36
So the dogs get their tails 'docked' because they are so called working dogs.They have to go over fences, bushes, thickets and thorny areas and could damage or injure their tails.
Then tell me what is the most 'natural' animal related to the dog and living and thriving in these conditions with no damage.
OH yes it's the fox, lets thank god he was not cursed by having a tail !!!!!!!!
http://animals.timduru.org/ids/albums/fox/042002-SnowRedFox-LooksBack.jpg:whistling:
#37
rangermastiffs
So the dogs get their tails 'docked' because they are so called working dogs.They have to go over fences, bushes, thickets and thorny areas and could damage or injure their tails.
Then tell me what is the most 'natural' animal related to the dog and living and thriving in these conditions with no damage.
OH yes it's the fox, lets thank god he was not cursed by having a tail !!!!!!!!
http://animals.timduru.org/ids/albums/fox/042002-SnowRedFox-LooksBack.jpg:whistling:


Well put :thumbsup:

Or even the same species as the dog - the wolf.
#38
chesso
You didn't read the whole of my post did youy???roll:

Quite right though - it makes no sense and in Scotland they banned docking full stop whereas here in England they put in exceptions, for working dogs - 'caving' as usual even when the correct way is easy.
I have to say that I was shocked to see the gorgeous black lab that got a bravery award for sniffing out bombs in Afghanistan had a docked tail. I had never seen my fav breed docked before.
I can see in that case that there may be something that you don't want to bash with the powerful side swipes though.


So you contradict yourself there by saying its ok for the Search dogs to have tails cut.

You lot have extreme double standards... I agree most methods are cruel bit I still think that there are pros and cons. Cosmetic reasoning is no reason in my mind I have never thought of a dog as a fashion accessory.

Some would also say that the dogs you are reffering to are working dogs and keeping them couped up in small gardens or as house pets is equally as cruel.

Then again this site is full of people who have no idea what they are talking about and jump on the wagon as soon as possible. You can't moan about docking a pups tail and animal cruelty and then go and buy your £2 Chicken from tesco and your £1 box of battery hen eggs.
#39
Celticsun
So you contradict yourself there by saying its ok for the Search dogs to have tails cut.

You lot have extreme double standards... I agree most methods are cruel bit I still think that there are [COLOR="Red"]pros and cons[/COLOR]. Cosmetic reasoning is no reason in my mind I have never thought of a dog as a fashion accessory.

Some would also say that the dogs you are reffering to are working dogs and keeping them couped up in small gardens or as house pets is equally as cruel.

Then again this site is full of people who have no idea what they are talking about and jump on the wagon as soon as possible. You can't moan about docking a pups tail and animal cruelty and then go and buy your £2 Chicken from tesco and your £1 box of battery hen eggs.


You forgot to mention the PRO's
#40
Celticsun
So you contradict yourself there [COLOR="DarkRed"]by saying its ok for the Search dogs [/COLOR]to have tails cut.

You lot have extreme double standards... I agree most methods are cruel bit I still think that there are pros and cons. Cosmetic reasoning is no reason in my mind I have never thought of a dog as a fashion accessory.

Some would also say that the dogs you are reffering to are working dogs and keeping them couped up in small gardens or as house pets is equally as cruel.

Then again this site is full of people who have no idea what they are talking about and jump on the wagon as soon as possible. You can't moan about docking a pups tail and animal cruelty and then go and buy your £2 Chicken from tesco and your £1 box of battery hen eggs.


[COLOR="DarkRed"]No. I said I was shocked [/COLOR]but that I could see in that case that there may be something that you don't want to bash with the powerful side swipes though In that single case I could see a reason for docking but i would still not agree that it should be done ( see my first post). It could also well have been a completely different cause for tail amputation.

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