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Had a letter from them today, warning about downloading and sharing files. They have found a music file that was being downloadedd by my Ip address. Anyone else received this sort of letter? Read More
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
Had a letter from them today, warning about downloading and sharing files. They have found a music file that was being downloadedd by my Ip address.
Anyone else received this sort of letter?
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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#1
Nah, wouldn't worry about it, they are only acting on behalf of the RIAA or similar. I wouldnt be too concerned.

Perhaps you should look at installing an ip filter or something like peer guardian?

The minute i get a letter i'll be leaving Virgin Media, fancy looking at what im downloading eh. Next they will be reading my online bank statements ;)

BFM
#2
nope not yet
#3
BurningFeetMan
Perhaps you should look at installing an ip filter or something like peer guardian?


Not that I would ever consider downloading anything, but maybe you could explain how this ip filter thing works (or the peer guardian)?
#4
Peerguardian is basically a more advanced ipfilter.

An ipfilter is a frequently updated list of computers addresses (ip's) that are 'undesireable' to connect to. The ip fileter is then used in a program, such as peerguardian, and that prevents your computer from downloading from those sources considered suspect.

It is not foolproof, however it is a good way to limit the amount of traffic from your computer that is observed.

http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

And of course i don't condone the downloading of any illegal material!

BFM
#5
I am also with virgin media, not had a letter yet but as I use torrent sites regularly it can only be a matter of time. I use peerguardian and I also use pr0xy.com, but I am planning to change when my contracts up.

Interesting article about virgin media here
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article3680998.ece


Virgin have no right to spy on your internet activities, you pay for the service.
banned#6
jaclec
I am also with virgin media, not had a letter yet but as I use torrent sites regularly it can only be a matter of time. I use peerguardian and I also use pr0xy.com, but I am planning to change when my contracts up.

Interesting article about virgin media here
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article3680998.ece


It seems like its about CPW, but a more up to date one here - shows what rubbish CD talks

Virgin have no right to spy on your internet activities, you pay for the service.


I think you will find they do have the right to monitor your activity.
#7
i got an email from BT a while back now 6 or 7 months ago saying they caught me sharing not downloading.i aint heard anything since but it scared me so much i dont download music now .scared the life outta me
#8
perhaps you ought to just pay for your music instead of nicking it.
banned#9
fernando;3511319
perhaps you ought to just pay for your music instead of nicking it.

oh dear! There's always one :whistling:
#10
Virgin explain in a report that they had received from the BPI............
I had shared a music file on a certain date
It is not Virgin it is the BPI who are claiming that I share files
banned#11
Why don't you just leech instead of sharing then? I only share abandonware.
banned#12
csiman
oh dear! There's always one :whistling:


What? Always one that points out that theft is illegal?
banned#13
DanJackson;3512956
What? Always one that points out that theft is illegal?

Oh, get down from your moral high horse. Its pathetic! :whistling:
#14
csiman
oh dear! There's always one :whistling:


yep, unfortunately its you
#15
why is it that everything i've heard about ISP's getting in touch with users who download off torrent sites...it's only ever concerning music, never films or the like. It must have something to do with the music pressurising them, but i've never heard anything about someone getting a letter for downloading avi.'s or the like.
#16
the dandy p
why is it that everything i've heard about ISP's getting in touch with users who download off torrent sites...it's only ever concerning music, never films or the like. It must have something to do with the music pressurising them, but i've never heard anything about someone getting a letter for downloading avi.'s or the like.


loads of people have had them for films
banned#17
kungfu;3513154
yep, unfortunately its you

very witty :p
#18
oh thanks for the informative reply....I don't know anyone that's had one for films, it's always been 'copyright protected music', and just like this thread the OP states 'music file'.

Seriously, just do a quick look on google, almost all of the sites with 'news' of virgin media sending out letters clearly states it's because of pressure to come down on the illegal downloading of music, very strange.
#19
the dandy p
oh thanks for the informative reply....I don't know anyone that's had one for films, it's always been 'copyright protected music', and just like this thread the OP states 'music file'.

Seriously, just do a quick look on google, almost all of the sites with 'news' of virgin media sending out letters clearly states it's because of pressure to come down on the illegal downloading of music, very strange.


That's because it's the MPAA that put pressure on ISP's over movies and they only operate in the US. Over here we're only really at the stage of music/software.
banned#20
the dandy p;3513182
oh thanks for the informative reply....I don't know anyone that's had one for films, it's always been 'copyright protected music', and just like this thread the OP states 'music file'.

Seriously, just do a quick look on google, almost all of the sites with 'news' of virgin media sending out letters clearly states it's because of pressure to come down on the illegal downloading of music, very strange.

Correct. I have never had one and download about 5gb a day of films / tv eps. Never music though which explains it.
#21
thanks Shengis and csiman, I knew I hadn't just made it up.
#22
By the way, for those that support the actions of the BPI and PRS, you may have missed this story. Jackboots and red/white/black armbands anyone......

The Performing Rights Society, the UK outfit collecting royalties for the music industry, seems it will stop at nothing as it demands money from small businesses, charities, playschools, and now, kids’ community centers, all so that they can listen to music without fear of prosecution.

The UK’s Performing Rights Society (PRS) is a non-profit organization, setup to ensure that the music industry continues to make plenty more profits on an on-going regular basis. For years now, they have collected license fees from companies that use music as part of their businesses, such as pubs, clubs and restaurants. Some might argue that these type of companies benefit commercially from playing music to the public, so a license fee, although not particular popular, can be absorbed as a legitimate business expense.

However, recently the PRS has been getting more and more aggressive in its quest to funnel cash to its paymasters. It now sees every UK organization - commercial or otherwise - as a legitimate target to intimidate with threats of legal action, should they dare to play a radio, TV or DVD within earshot of the public without a license. Small businesses playing the radio for personal entertainment to pass the working day, charities, tea rooms, corner shops and even community centers are being targeted by this outfit. Bizarrely, they are currently going after the British police, who have been refusing to pay. It’s clear, they care about just one thing - money.

To get this money the PRS go after people like the 61 year-old mechanic Paul Wilson, who has worked alone at his garage for 23 years since he was 15. He can’t afford the PRS license, so now he has to work in silence. “When I was first contacted by the PRS I thought somebody was having a laugh with me,” he said. But really, this is no laughing matter. After the demands for money, Mr Wilson told the PRS to take his radio to prove he wasn’t listening to it, but the PRS warned that the police could come round to do spot checks. Meanwhile, the garage next door to Mr Wilson also received a PRS letter, so they are maintaining radio silence too. Just regular people trying to earn a living, being chased down for money to listen to a radio at work. It’s astonishing.

When the small guy gets hit by these type of issues it really annoys people in the copyright debating community. However, if you really want to widen the debate and spread some really bad PR, it’s going to take tactics which show how low you are prepared to go. For instance, you could go after a charity trying to raise funds via a tea-room, discover their staff radio can be overheard, and demand money from them.

But it is possible to further outrage people. And this is what these type of collection outfits are doing, by widening their campaigns to start going after the softest most impressionable target in the country - kids. Last week we reported how the MPLC, a Hollywood royalty collection outfit, (illegally) demanded money from kindergartens in Ireland, so that the kids could watch DVDs there.

But going after children isn’t exclusively an MPLC tactic, the PRS are doing it too. Part of the claim against the tea-rooms mentioned above was that the kids there needed to be licensed to sing carols in front of the public and now, to add insult to injury, the PRS ‘non-profit’ copyright cop is going after a kid’s non-profit community center in Glasgow, Scotland. The Yoker Resource Center is faced with a £3,000 bill, it if wants to carry on using its TV, radio or CD player, that is.

Elizabeth Busby, the after-school supervisor at the center said: “We can’t afford to pay this money. Although we have a TV license for the center, under these rules we cannot let all the kids watch it.”

Wondering (like the rest of us in the sane world) why people have to pay twice or more for using the same product, Ms Busby added: “If the children are watching a DVD then I have gone out and paid for it, so whether it is one person or twenty-five I still paid for it. It’s not as if I’m buying pirate copies or downloading them illegally. Soon it will be the Halloween party and what do we do for music?”

Asked to comment, the PRS declined. I’d like to think that the silence is down to shame, but I doubt it. I’ll leave you with some comments from Steve Pendlebury, writing in The Bolton News:

“Radio stations pay large amounts of money to licensing organizations PRS and PPL for the music they play, and music has been on the radio for many years. During the war, there were programmes like Workers Playtime and Music While You Work. Now, many radio stations have features about workplaces. If the PRS force people to switch their radios off then how are these stations going to survive?

Music has to be heard before people go out and buy it.”


And of course those that kick off so much have never used a DVD/VHS recorder or recorded anything off the radio.....

Edit: Notice the bold bit above? I wonder : http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/250258/asda-house-have-told-asda-stores/
banned#23
I wondered why all the garages i visit are so quiet. But if the radio station has already paid the fee then the garage doesn't need a license. And i really couldn't see the police enforcing this.
#24
Use private sites.
#25
lumoruk
I wondered why all the garages i visit are so quiet. But if the radio station has already paid the fee then the garage doesn't need a license. And i really couldn't see the police enforcing this.


But we use logic so see the wrongness in it all. The police wouldn't be involved anyway as it's a civil matter, so the PRS would just send out threatening letters. Just like the BPI are doing via Virgin. It's all getting rather silly imho.
#26
csiman
oh dear! There's always one :whistling:


how about you explain yourself...it's illegal and I was pointing out a fact, if said poster didn't download he wouldn't get the notice.

its a bit rich supporting someone who is downloading illegal music, given this website (which you clearly frequent) always takes the morale high ground against the likes of ebay and people trying to sell above the rrp,
#27
fernando
how about you explain yourself...it's illegal and I was pointing out a fact, if said poster didn't download he wouldn't get the notice.


Ah if life were so black and white. The fact is they can't prove who downloaded what. Just that an IP address was assigned to a certain line, hence the 'wireless defense'.
#28
fernando
how about you explain yourself...it's illegal and I was pointing out a fact, if said poster didn't download he wouldn't get the notice.

its a bit rich supporting someone who is downloading illegal music, given this website (which you clearly frequent) always takes the morale high ground against the likes of ebay and people trying to sell above the rrp,


If a person wanted something enough, they would buy it. Otherwise they would download it. Just like I havent bought any music in at least five years.
#29
Ignore the lettter. All they are doing is monitoring what you download, however, this is illegal. (data protection act). so, rather unfortunatly, they cant do anything about it.
PeerGuardian is only good to stop people like the music companies from connecting to your computer, but in a recent study it is actually mostly the US government known IP addresses that actually connect to your computer.
Proxy servers are useless, as it is very very easy to trace back to the original source computer.
as part of my computing degree research im looking into hiding IP address in p2p networks, and there is a few emerging technologies, but these are unlikely to hit the mainstream for a while.
anyway thats me done. lesson over :-)
#30
spic
Ignore the lettter. All they are doing is monitoring what you download, however, this is illegal. (data protection act). so, rather unfortunatly, they cant do anything about it.
PeerGuardian is only good to stop people like the music companies from connecting to your computer, but in a recent study it is actually mostly the US government known IP addresses that actually connect to your computer.
Proxy servers are useless, as it is very very easy to trace back to the original source computer.
as part of my computing degree research im looking into hiding IP address in p2p networks, and there is a few emerging technologies, but these are unlikely to hit the mainstream for a while.
anyway thats me done. lesson over :-)


VPN. Safe(ish) as long as the provider doesn't keep records.
#31
Charging £17 a dvd is theft.
#32
Shengis
VPN. Safe(ish) as long as the provider doesn't keep records.


You still give out your IP address in a VPN, so they can still trace things back to you. Unless you use onion routing... but it has its problems. if your interested in this sort of thing, look at tarzan, and similar.
#33
razta
Charging £17 a dvd is theft.


and actually spending that much on a dvd is idiocy:-D

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