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karaokecolin Avatar
8y, 1m agoPosted 8 years, 1 month ago
Hi folks,

A quick question - I have a full UK licence, held since 1991.
I have always driven vehicles with a manual gearbox. Am i licensed to also drive cars with an automatic gearbox?
I know it will tell me on my paper bit of the licence but it is packed away somewhere & since I'm full of man-flu, I don't have the energy to dig it out!

Thanks in advance & will give repp!

Col.
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8y, 1m agoPosted 8 years, 1 month ago
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1 Like #1
Yes, of course you are!!
Get well soon.
1 Like #2
If you got your driving licence using a manual car, then you are automatically qualified to drive an automatic car, but it does not work the other way round though.
1 Like #3
Yep, you automatically qualify to drive automatics when you pass the manual driving test, but not the other way round! If you only take the driving test in an automatic car and pass you cant drive manual ones i think.

But you're good to go! Cheers.
1 Like #4
Simple answer-Yes

But not other way around-passed on Auto driving a Manual
1 Like #5
saayinla
If you got your driving licence using a manual car, then you are automatically qualified to drive an automatic car, but it does not work the other way round though.


exactly what I was going to say. works one way, but not the other :)
banned 1 Like #6
u sure are :)
1 Like #7
I second all of the above. Since it is from 1991, has it been renewed?!!!
1 Like #8
I always think automatics take part of the fun of driving away, not to mention added costs for fuel consumption and if they go wrong, the only benefits of an automatic I see are for people with disabiltys!

Ive only driven one once and just couldnt get used to it, when you get used to flicking through the gears you find your hand reaching for the knob next to you and your fut hitting the extra wide brake where the clutch should be!

Not to mention you cant bump start them!
#9
Thanks guys - I thought there was some rule or other about not being allowed to drive one or the other but I wasn't sure.Now i'm educated.

I'm shifting my dad's car for him next week cos he's going to Dubai for a bit & it's an auto so should be fun.

Rep on way.
Sniff. sneeze. sniff.

col.
#10
Banana79
I second all of the above. Since it is from 1991, has it been renewed?!!!


why would it need to be?
#11
bellabonkers
why would it need to be?


Doesn't need to be renewed does it?
#12
Autos are ace for the kickdown when accelerating from 50-70 ish...
#13
karaokecolin
Doesn't need to be renewed does it?


Not unless any of ur details have changed
#14
harlzter
I always think automatics take part of the fun of driving away, not to mention added costs for fuel consumption and if they go wrong, the only benefits of an automatic I see are for people with disabiltys!

Ive only driven one once and just couldnt get used to it, when you get used to flicking through the gears you find your hand reaching for the knob next to you and your fut hitting the extra wide brake where the clutch should be!

Not to mention you cant bump start them!

Fun of driving??? It's survival that matters. I've had automatics for years. No messing with superfluous gears, no clutch to control. Concentrate on driving and carry jump leads. I love my Yaris 1.4 GLS auto.
Are you right about the fuel consumption? I would have thought that as the car changes gear automatically, it might be more conservative?? As Bri says the kickdown is tempting though!!
#15
karaokecolin
Doesn't need to be renewed does it?


lol well I got mine in 1991 and haven't renewed it. I'm sure there is no need to....it was a trick question thrown in just to fool us :thumbsup:
#16
Autos r supposed to be less frugal on juice generally but i reckon it depends more on ur driving style
#17
I'm actually looking forward to the experience now I've read all this.

I can see Harlzters point about getting used to not changing gears though.

I'll have to think of something else to do with my hands!!!
#18
Doesn't need to be renewed but as its the old paper type it may be of benefit to upgrade to a photocard licence as its usefull for ID purposes.

As for fuel consumption I believe its because auto's are set for performance rather than economy, but a lot can depend on your driving style in a manual.


Damn i'm going to have to get myself a full licence now, I really could do with getting a car!
Anyone know a car thats good on insurance but suitable for a family (2 adults, 3 kids and a decent boot size)? Needs to be something you can pick up for less than £1k used. Preferably an estate or decent size hatch?
#19
karaokecolin
I'm actually looking forward to the experience now I've read all this.

I can see Harlzters point about getting used to not changing gears though.

I'll have to think of something else to do with my hands!!!


Cheery wave to traffic wardens? :friends:
#20
karaokecolin
I'm actually looking forward to the experience now I've read all this.
I can see Harlzters point about getting used to not changing gears though.
I'll have to think of something else to do with my hands!!!


Put them on the steering wheel. ;-)
Not like the guy driving a small white van I saw this week with his mobile held to his ear in one hand and a cigarette in the other hand!! No hands on the wheel but he was braking as he approached a give-way. That's Italian drivers for you .
1 Like #21
harlzter
Doesn't need to be renewed but as its the old paper type it may be of benefit to upgrade to a photocard licence as its usefull for ID purposes.

As for fuel consumption I believe its because auto's are set for performance rather than economy, but a lot can depend on your driving style in a manual.


Damn i'm going to have to get myself a full licence now, I really could do with getting a car!
Anyone know a car thats good on insurance but suitable for a family (2 adults, 3 kids and a decent boot size)? Needs to be something you can pick up for less than £1k used. Preferably an estate or decent size hatch?


Check out Gumtree.
Mondeo & vectra estates around the p/r reg marks are usually fairly easy to pick up & they tick your boxes.
#22
karaokecolin
I'm actually looking forward to the experience now I've read all this.

I can see Harlzters point about getting used to not changing gears though.

I'll have to think of something else to do with my hands!!!


n don't press ur horn between 11pm n 6 am :thumbsup:
#23
haha ur nuts! just dont get confused and do what i did and stick car into neutral from drive when ur at a junction!
#24
and dont get confuzzled looking for clutch...so weird!

im constantly swapping between our manual honda civic and our automatic clk as clk been playing up... its easy driving a auto ... (esp as mine is 3.2 litre!) but its kinda fun in the manual...dont feel so lazy hehe (feels lamer at only 1.8!)
#25
magicbeans
haha ur nuts! just dont get confused and do what i did and stick car into neutral from drive when ur at a junction!


Ur lucky u didn't get shunted up the rear
#26
chesso;3233638

Are you right about the fuel consumption? I would have thought that as the car changes gear automatically, it might be more conservative?? As Bri says the kickdown is tempting though!!


Standard automatic cars are normally slower and less fuel efficient than their manual counterparts as they tend to be heavier and the gearbox can't be very intelligent. It simply swaps gears basic on simple rules where a human can change gear more appropriately based on the conditions.

In terms of safety while you may think you have gains through not having to think about changing gear and thus having better concentration, it doesn't really work like that. Once you are used to manual gearboxes which you should be by the time you pass your test, you don't actually need to think about clutch control or changing gear as you do it almost subconsciously. Additionally with an automatic you lose a lot of the engine control you have with a manual.

I'm currently learning a bike and I realise just how automatically I do everything a car without having to think whereas with the bike I have to think more about my gears and braking although it's smoother and more together now.

John
#27
Johnmcl7
Standard automatic cars are normally slower and less fuel efficient than their manual counterparts as they tend to be heavier and the gearbox can't be very intelligent. It simply swaps gears basic on simple rules where a human can change gear more appropriately based on the conditions.
In terms of safety while you may think you have gains through not having to think about changing gear and thus having better concentration, it doesn't really work like that. Once you are used to manual gearboxes which you should be by the time you pass your test, you don't actually need to think about clutch control or changing gear as you do it almost subconsciously. Additionally with an automatic you lose a lot of the engine control you have with a manual.
I'm currently learning a bike and I realise just how automatically I do everything a car without having to think whereas with the bike I have to think more about my gears and braking although it's smoother and more together now.
John

I hadn't realised that an automatic is substantially heavier, that will clearly increase consumption.
As to the subconscious thing - I agree that it becomes very easy but I dont think that I agree about it being ' almost subconscious', I think it's competence rather than some sort of learned reflex. I don't know how much more engine control one needs than that provided by an automatic. I do know that I don't have to hold on the clutch, use the hand brake for hill starts, change gear at awkward situations and manouvre at the same time. I have driven manual cars a lot as well (and I know how to double de-clutch). I think that almost anything that you do can be a distraction, but mainly I like driving autos because there seems no point in doing myself what a machine can do for me.
I have a washing machine as well!!!
#28
Automatics are nearly always less fuel efficient than their manual equivalents. However, there is talk about automatic cars being more efficient in the future due to them car being more intelligent in knowing what the best gear is.

I find automatics quite boring really. The only time I prefer automatics is when I'm on a racetrack... Having one less thing to think about makes life a little easier when doing silly speeds round a circuit.
#29
chesso
I hadn't realised that an automatic is substantially heavier, that will clearly increase consumption.
As to the subconscious thing - I agree that it becomes very easy but I dont think that I agree about it being ' almost subconscious', I think it's competence rather than some sort of learned reflex. I don't know how much more engine control one needs than that provided by an automatic. I do know that I don't have to hold on the clutch, use the hand brake for hill starts, change gear at awkward situations and manouvre at the same time. I have driven manual cars a lot as well (and I know how to double de-clutch). I think that almost anything that you do can be a distraction, but mainly I like driving autos because there seems no point in doing myself what a machine can do for me.
I have a washing machine as well!!!


A machine has no clue about which gear I want to be in, so an automatic gearbox can't do for me what I do. My car has six gears and a turbocharger which means getting the best fuel economy and performance is based very much on the current conditions the car is in, an auto doesn't stand a chance. The torque of the diesel engine means it will haul itself along in pretty much any gear if I'm feeling lazy but it's far more enjoyable to take advantage of the engine's strengths. Automatics give you very little control over the engine's behaviour which depending on the car can be extremely limiting as I can't direct shift quickly nor can I limit the engine's power quickly, control is left to just accelerate or brake with little control over the actual gears.

It's nothing to do with competence, it becomes a reflex action - that's why learners struggle so much when they start because they have to really think about getting the clutch to biting point and moving the gear selector to the correct position. With practice it all becomes automatic and doesn't need any thought allowing the driver to focus on actually driving than changing gear.

With regards to hill starts I guess it depends on your car, my manual Toledo can actually pull itself uphill easier and with less hassle than your auto Yaris due to the massive amounts of torque the engine produces. In fact it can make it to fifth gear without even needing the accelerator. I have to admit I find the idea of a Yaris auto really strange though as I find small cars are more reliant on their gearboxes than big cars as they need a lot of accurate shifting to get the most out of the limited engine power.

John
#30
flyingflea
Automatics are nearly always less fuel efficient than their manual equivalents. However, there is talk about automatic cars being more efficient in the future due to them car being more intelligent in knowing what the best gear is.
I find automatics quite boring really. The only time I prefer automatics is when I'm on a racetrack... Having one less thing to think about makes life a little easier when doing silly speeds round a circuit.


Significantly less efficient as well! I live and think!! I've also read that for many drivers an automatic car is 'better' at using the best gear than the driver!! (John, you describe a situation where you really don't need gears because of the attributes of the car.)
I suspect that you have hit the nail on the head flyingflea where you say
I find automatics quite boring really. The only time I prefer automatics is when I'm on a racetrack... Having one less thing to think about makes life a little easier when doing silly speeds round a circuit.

I drive to get from A to B whilst others, while driving, like it as an experience in itself;-). I have a Yaris!!

John, we're going to have to agree to disagree on the learned reflex. Just because you don't have to give it a great deal of thought doesn't make it a reflex , otherwise you would change gear automatically in resonse to, let's say, a certain engine noise, whereas the actual sitaution is that you choose to do so, competently.

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