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Surprised that no Motorway driving is in there! Also drumming into people about using a mobile whilst driving What the changes are The changes are to: increase the ‘independent driving’ part … Read More
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[mod] 4m, 4w agoPosted 4 months, 4 weeks ago
Surprised that no Motorway driving is in there! Also drumming into people about using a mobile whilst driving

What the changes are

The changes are to:

increase the ‘independent driving’ part of the test from 10 to 20 minutes

ask candidates to follow directions from a sat nav during the ‘independent driving’ part

replace the ‘reverse around a corner’ and ‘turn in the road’ manoeuvres with more real-life scenarios, eg driving into and reversing out of a parking bay

ask 1 of the 2 vehicle safety questions (known as the ‘show me, tell me’ questions) while the candidate is driving, eg asking them to use the rear heated screen

http://i.imgur.com/TBaSNyL.gif

Why the changes are important
Road collisions are the biggest killer of young people. They account for over a quarter of all deaths of those aged between 15 and 19.

DVSA wants to make sure that training and the driving test reduce the number of young people being killed in collisions.

These changes have been proposed because:

most fatal collisions happen on high-speed roads (not including motorways) - changing the format of the test will allow more of these types of roads to be included in driving test routes
52% of car drivers now have a sat nav - DVSA wants new drivers to be trained to use them safely
research has shown that new drivers find ‘independent driving’ training valuable - they can relate it to driving once they’ve passed their test

source https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driving-test-changes-plans-revealed-to-improve-road-safety
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[mod] 4m, 4w agoPosted 4 months, 4 weeks ago
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HavocLP
I think they should teach people how to use roundabouts properly. It is not a fck parking and you never stop before you drive in to it (I mean, if it is free to go, just GO). I hit a car because old grampa stopped after he obviously wanted to drive in to circle just because he saw a car.... on the opposite side! Oo And it was my fault of course...
Of course it was your fault. You drove in to him.
9 Likes
mattinhull
agree with dropping reverse around a corner ......never done it in 15years driving
Everyone who owns a drive should know how to reverse into it, rather than out of it.
5 Likes
Should also be a part as to what to do if a blue flashing light appears behind you.

A) Stop immediately and block everyone including the emergency vehicle.

B) Continue driving until you find a suitable location to pull over and let the vehicle pass.

Unfortunately from what i've seen, most people opt for A

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#1
How is following directions from a satnav any different to following the directions that the instructor would give you?
3 Likes #2
RossD89
How is following directions from a satnav any different to following the directions that the instructor would give you?

I suppose it's about being able to manage to divert your attention between the road and the increasing amount of screens in cars.
5 Likes #3
Should also be a part as to what to do if a blue flashing light appears behind you.

A) Stop immediately and block everyone including the emergency vehicle.

B) Continue driving until you find a suitable location to pull over and let the vehicle pass.

Unfortunately from what i've seen, most people opt for A
#4
Another good thing to add would be a test if the sat-nav gives a false direction (i.e turning into a narrow horse track or onto a street that is currently closed) and ensuring the driver knows what to do in those scenareos
#5
RossD89
How is following directions from a satnav any different to following the directions that the instructor would give you?


I personally find Satnav confusing at times and slow to catch up sometimes too. Also it tells me to bear left when I clearly need to be in the right lane! If I didn't know the way I'd be lost
1 Like #6
I got my driving licence in Copenhagen ,Denmark in 1987, i did a theory test and motorway driving.
1 Like #7
a bit stupid reversing and turning in road is getting scrapped unless you live in a posh area or 2 way street most people need do them then park in bays.
[mod]#8
118luke
Should also be a part as to what to do if a blue flashing light appears behind you.
A) Stop immediately and block everyone including the emergency vehicle.
B) Continue driving until you find a suitable location to pull over and let the vehicle pass.
Unfortunately from what i've seen, most people opt for A

Good point, a lot of people panic and sit there
#9
Should also be a part in the theory to have a go at simulated driving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGnMBQJj8YE
#10
they should include a part in the test (in a safe assault course style) where the driver has to have a mobile in hand to show how hard it is to drive safely
#11
also parking in a bay I would have loved to learn when learning to drive, after passing I found that more daunting than motorway driving
#12
[quote=goonertillidie]
Surprised that no Motorway driving is in there! [quote]
Motorway driving for learners is tricky, with driving instructors they will know when someone is ready but if any learner can drive on them it would become a nightmare. driving to slow, the same people who hog the middle lane teaching them to drive in the same manner wont solve anything.

maybe there should be mandatory retests, its shocking how bad some drivers are of all ages. An A road near us has just had a multi million pound third lane added, it is incredible how many drivers just sit in the middle lane rather than going into the new lane :(

Edited By: eslick on Jan 26, 2017 11:32
#13
I think they should teach people how to use roundabouts properly. It is not a fck parking and you never stop before you drive in to it (I mean, if it is free to go, just GO). I hit a car because old grampa stopped after he obviously wanted to drive in to circle just because he saw a car.... on the opposite side! Oo And it was my fault of course...
11 Likes #14
HavocLP
I think they should teach people how to use roundabouts properly. It is not a fck parking and you never stop before you drive in to it (I mean, if it is free to go, just GO). I hit a car because old grampa stopped after he obviously wanted to drive in to circle just because he saw a car.... on the opposite side! Oo And it was my fault of course...
Of course it was your fault. You drove in to him.
#15
Yeah, couse circle is like a car parking and you can stop in there whenever you like, just because you are too scare to drive and you need to have whole road empty first :]

Edited By: HavocLP on Jan 26, 2017 11:43
2 Likes #16
HavocLP
Yeah, couse circle is like a car parking and you can stop in there whenever you like, just because you are too scare to drive and you need to have whole road empty first :]

You drove into him.

Be aware of those in front and behind of you. If you were behind him then there would have been signs he was a poor/hesitant driver before reaching the roundabout.
1 Like #17
Mate, I know what do you mean, I agree okey? But don't tell me it is allowed to just stop on the middle of the road. This guy didn't stop in front the circle but he was half way IN already. That is why my i started to look on the right and same time release the clutch, he was gone. And then he stopped. Anyway, hard to explain, week later I bought camera and next time I will take driver like him straight to the court. Circle rules: give a way to car ON the roundabout. Not to the cars driving in to circle from right. Am I right or not?
2 Likes #18
agree with dropping reverse around a corner ......never done it in 15years driving
2 Likes #19
HavocLP
Mate, I know what do you mean, I agree okey? But don't tell me it is allowed to just stop on the middle of the road. This guy didn't stop in front the circle but he was half way IN already. That is why my i started to look on the right and same time release the clutch, he was gone. And then he stopped. Anyway, hard to explain, week later I bought camera and next time I will take driver like him straight to the court. Circle rules: give a way to car ON the roundabout. Not to the cars driving in to circle from right. Am I right or not?
I'm glad some one knows what any one means. All I read was, "Old bloke drove into roundabout, then for his perceived safety then some one not paying full attention rammed him up the rear." Even then I'm still not sure what I read.
9 Likes #20
mattinhull
agree with dropping reverse around a corner ......never done it in 15years driving
Everyone who owns a drive should know how to reverse into it, rather than out of it.
#21
ahhhh yes the "safety selling point" new drivers should always be fully aware of new rules , more harder tests means more failed tests ergo more tests and more tests and more driving lessons and test fees which means more taxable income for instructors and more test fees for .gov , what a moneyspinner that is , real nice when certain people can make the rules up as they go along . anyone remember the vote in parliament a few years ago regarding having to tax even classic cars if they were parked off road ? it was getting the go ahead until some bright spark in parliament pointed out they had a few bentleys etc tucked away in heated vacuum sealed bags
1 Like #22
MynameisM
a bit stupid reversing and turning in road is getting scrapped unless you live in a posh area or 2 way street most people need do them then park in bays.
My universal translator is bust. Are you saying only posh people have access to wide roads?
#23
havoc yes its your fault , driving without due and attention ring any bells ?
2 Likes #24
mattinhull
agree with dropping reverse around a corner ......never done it in 15years driving

how you going to get out of a dead end road when you cant do a three point turn either
1 Like #25
IMHO the changes to the driving test will probably save one or two lives but it will not have that much of an effect on younger drivers.

How many of theses accidents are caused by unlicensed drivers and cars with no insurance or even stolen (I define stolen as those that have actually been stolen and those that have been borrowed by uninsured/unlicensed then involved in an accident only to then be reported as stolen so that they don't get into trouble).

You can't teach common sense and you can't really test for it - yes the young driver passed their test with top scores only to floor it 3 days later when the sun was setting and it was "hissing" it down and he caused a fatal accident.

The other issue I have with all this is the *iss poor sentencing policies - someone TWOC's a car a second time after being charged the first hasn't learnt the lesson and therefore should be removed from society so that they aren't a danger but no....our wonderful justice system ill just slap them on the wrist and let them free to TWOC again (how many of these are causing the statistics to be a concern?)

Rant over
Easing of the accelerator
Braking firmly
Checking mirrors and blindspot
And leaves thread
#26
RossD89
How is following directions from a satnav any different to following the directions that the instructor would give you?


Independent driving is following a stretch of roads with a few turns while reading road signs. Usually a dual carriage way going between town A and town B. Next slip road in 3 miles etc.
1 Like #27
tomminator
ahhhh yes the "safety selling point" new drivers should always be fully aware of new rules , more harder tests means more failed tests ergo more tests and more tests and more driving lessons and test fees which means more taxable income for instructors and more test fees for .gov , what a moneyspinner that is , real nice when certain people can make the rules up as they go along . anyone remember the vote in parliament a few years ago regarding having to tax even classic cars if they were parked off road ? it was getting the go ahead until some bright spark in parliament pointed out they had a few bentleys etc tucked away in heated vacuum sealed bags

Whilst i agree that the government shouldn't profit any more out of this, the standard of driving on UK roads is astronomically dire.
It ranges from Audi/BMW drivers being inches off your bumper on the motorway and not indicating/cutting people up at the last second to get off at the junction they are passing, to Boy racers in their VW Polo GTis.
Even OAPs that trundle along at 20mph in their Nissan Micras/Honda Jazz's are a hazard, causing tailbacks (I witnessed this yesterday on a busy 40mph main road).

Oh, and don't get me started on taxi drivers and white van drivers.
Not that im saying my driving is 100% perfect, like anyone else - we all make mistakes at somepoint on the roads

So yes - to me the standards of driving does need to improve significantly. But not only so the government profits from it.
1 Like #28
The problem with introducing compulsory motorway testing is that there are a number of areas in the UK that do not have motorways. I'm not talking they have to travel 10/20 minutes down the road to get to one but have to travel for hours, sometimes with things like ferries. These people would then not be able to gain a driving licence, which could be a barrier to gaining employment, particularly in the areas most affected as they are usually more rural. I do agree that something should be done about motorway driving but I think the problem lies more with experienced drivers who have picked up bad habits - middle lane hoggers and those who drive at stupid speeds (fast or slow).
#29
118luke
Should also be a part as to what to do if a blue flashing light appears behind you.
A) Stop immediately and block everyone including the emergency vehicle.
B) Continue driving until you find a suitable location to pull over and let the vehicle pass.
Unfortunately from what i've seen, most people opt for A
I had a situation the other day where we were on a dual carriageway, I indicated to move over to the left lane because a police car with lights and siren was coming, and the stupid woman in the car in front of me in the left lane slammed her brakes on, fortunately I saw in time and stopped, there was absolutely no need for her to brake!
#30
philphil61
IMHO the changes to the driving test will probably save one or two lives but it will not have that much of an effect on younger drivers.
How many of theses accidents are caused by unlicensed drivers and cars with no insurance or even stolen (I define stolen as those that have actually been stolen and those that have been borrowed by uninsured/unlicensed then involved in an accident only to then be reported as stolen so that they don't get into trouble).
You can't teach common sense and you can't really test for it - yes the young driver passed their test with top scores only to floor it 3 days later when the sun was setting and it was "hissing" it down and he caused a fatal accident.
The other issue I have with all this is the *iss poor sentencing policies - someone TWOC's a car a second time after being charged the first hasn't learnt the lesson and therefore should be removed from society so that they aren't a danger but no....our wonderful justice system ill just slap them on the wrist and let them free to TWOC again (how many of these are causing the statistics to be a concern?)
Rant over
Easing of the accelerator
Braking firmly
Checking mirrors and blindspot
And leaves thread

You're supposed to check the mirror BEFORE braking.
Remember:
Manoeuvre
Signal
Mirror

I assume that's the right sequence - it's what most people seem to do.

Edited By: ArthurDent1 on Jan 26, 2017 22:29: typo
1 Like #31
Oneday77
mattinhull
agree with dropping reverse around a corner ......never done it in 15years driving
Everyone who owns a drive should know how to reverse into it, rather than out of it.


I reverse into mine daily just never thought of it as reversing around a corner......doh!
#32
mattinhull
agree with dropping reverse around a corner ......never done it in 15years driving


Depends where you live. I personally do this all the time as I live on a short one way road and use it more and more because my stupid local authority are creating more one way roads to make it easier for cyclists and harder for drivers.
#33
I never mention 3 point turn
#34
ArthurDent1
philphil61
IMHO the changes to the driving test will probably save one or two lives but it will not have that much of an effect on younger drivers.
How many of theses accidents are caused by unlicensed drivers and cars with no insurance or even stolen (I define stolen as those that have actually been stolen and those that have been borrowed by uninsured/unlicensed then involved in an accident only to then be reported as stolen so that they don't get into trouble).
You can't teach common sense and you can't really test for it - yes the young driver passed their test with top scores only to floor it 3 days later when the sun was setting and it was "hissing" it down and he caused a fatal accident.
The other issue I have with all this is the *iss poor sentencing policies - someone TWOC's a car a second time after being charged the first hasn't learnt the lesson and therefore should be removed from society so that they aren't a danger but no....our wonderful justice system ill just slap them on the wrist and let them free to TWOC again (how many of these are causing the statistics to be a concern?)
Rant over
Easing of the accelerator
Braking firmly
Checking mirrors and blindspot
And leaves thread
You're supposed to check the mirro BEFORE braking.
Remember:
Manoeuvre
Signal
Mirror
I assume that's the right sequence - it's what most people seem to do.

It's actually

Mirror
Signal
Manoeuvre

but I was going for the humour not specifics

Edited By: philphil61 on Jan 26, 2017 14:41
#35
philphil61
ArthurDent1
philphil61
IMHO the changes to the driving test will probably save one or two lives but it will not have that much of an effect on younger drivers.
How many of theses accidents are caused by unlicensed drivers and cars with no insurance or even stolen (I define stolen as those that have actually been stolen and those that have been borrowed by uninsured/unlicensed then involved in an accident only to then be reported as stolen so that they don't get into trouble).
You can't teach common sense and you can't really test for it - yes the young driver passed their test with top scores only to floor it 3 days later when the sun was setting and it was "hissing" it down and he caused a fatal accident.
The other issue I have with all this is the *iss poor sentencing policies - someone TWOC's a car a second time after being charged the first hasn't learnt the lesson and therefore should be removed from society so that they aren't a danger but no....our wonderful justice system ill just slap them on the wrist and let them free to TWOC again (how many of these are causing the statistics to be a concern?)
Rant over
Easing of the accelerator
Braking firmly
Checking mirrors and blindspot
And leaves thread
You're supposed to check the mirro BEFORE braking.
Remember:
Manoeuvre
Signal
Mirror
I assume that's the right sequence - it's what most people seem to do.
It's actually
Mirror
Signal
Manoeuvre
but I was going for the humour not specifics
Or if you're taking lessons with BSM = Mirror Signal (Position Speed Look)
#36
118luke
tomminator
ahhhh yes the "safety selling point" new drivers should always be fully aware of new rules , more harder tests means more failed tests ergo more tests and more tests and more driving lessons and test fees which means more taxable income for instructors and more test fees for .gov , what a moneyspinner that is , real nice when certain people can make the rules up as they go along . anyone remember the vote in parliament a few years ago regarding having to tax even classic cars if they were parked off road ? it was getting the go ahead until some bright spark in parliament pointed out they had a few bentleys etc tucked away in heated vacuum sealed bags
Whilst i agree that the government shouldn't profit any more out of this, the standard of driving on UK roads is astronomically dire.
It ranges from Audi/BMW drivers being inches off your bumper on the motorway and not indicating/cutting people up at the last second to get off at the junction they are passing, to Boy racers in their VW Polo GTis.
Even OAPs that trundle along at 20mph in their Nissan Micras/Honda Jazz's are a hazard, causing tailbacks (I witnessed this yesterday on a busy 40mph main road).

Oh, and don't get me started on taxi drivers and white van drivers.
Not that im saying my driving is 100% perfect, like anyone else - we all make mistakes at somepoint on the roads

So yes - to me the standards of driving does need to improve significantly. But not only so the government profits from it.
The white van drivers are the worst, even if you have a giant learner L sign on the car they still blast out of junctions infront of you regardless if it's your "right of way" and if behind they stick to your cars tail like flies on poop. Them BMW and audi drivers are plonkers as well, always tailgating like they think Lewis Hamilton is in the car infront. And lorry drivers love to cause obstructions. And oh don't get me started on all the insurance scam and druggies in Small Heath driving in Mercs, they make white van drivers look like road saints.

Edited By: hass123 on Jan 26, 2017 14:57
#37
they should be made to take the Smith system, as well as the theory test. and a mandatory 100 hours at least of driving before sitting a test
#38
mattinhull
agree with dropping reverse around a corner ......never done it in 15years driving

Not sure I agree. It's one of the maneuvers I learnt the most from I think.

DVSA sent me a survey to do yesterday. They wanted feedback on the test and how it could be improve, it's a year since I took mine. I guess this is why.
1 Like #39
most ppl now use manoeuvre , then wait until theyre turning then signal the only exception being if they stop at traffic lights before they turn adjust mirror fix hair/makeup/look at themselves in the mirror / fall in love with themselves / play with mobile phone ...... or so it seems
#40
STRICKIBHOY
they should be made to take the Smith system, as well as the theory test. and a mandatory 100 hours at least of driving before sitting a test


i wouldnt have minded that but paying £18 an hour for 100 hours would have been ridulous

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