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Christian Aid is responding to the disaster in Haiti with emergency aid. But we need to help Haiti in the long-term as well as the short-term. We are now calling on the UK to lead the world in giv… Read More
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
Christian Aid is responding to the disaster in Haiti with emergency aid. But we need to help Haiti in the long-term as well as the short-term.

We are now calling on the UK to lead the world in giving Haiti a fighting chance for the future by cancelling its $890m of international debt.

Sign our petition and we will present your call to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Alistair Darling.

http://act.christianaid.org.uk/ea-campaign/clientcampaign.do?ea.client.id=48&ea.campaign.id=5484

UK has already cancelled its debt to Haiti
- boothy
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7y, 4m agoPosted 7 years, 4 months ago
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banned#2
Is there one you can sign where you vote NOT to cancel the debt?
#3
*sorry I had to post this*

As if God could achieve what Bono couldn't?
#4
let me get this right
plough millions in now to help then let them off with millions too ????
surely one or the other would do
#5
guv
Is there one you can sign where you vote NOT to cancel the debt?


+1
#6
why not make them pay their debts so the money could help our soldiers go into care homes without having to sell their homes and kick out their wives and families .as we could then afford to help them more .this is just an example of how our money could help our own country i'm sure theres lots of other charities in the uk crying out for help
#7
linw
why not make them pay their debts so the money could help our soldiers go into care homes without having to sell their homes and kick out their wives and families .as we could then afford to help them more .this is just an example of how our money could help our own country i'm sure theres lots of other charities in the uk crying out for help


+1 :thumbsup:

Sorry, giving them money for charity is one thing.. taking them out of debt is another..
#8
At least this Haiti thread is in the right forumz. That's all I care about.
banned#9
Its very sad what happened, but no matter what seems to get plowed in things never change, these same countrys have been getting help since i was born, yet there still no better off. This debt was there before so im not sure why it should be wiped, the millions being poured in should be enough to put this country to a better state than it was originally, surely
#10
Signed.
suspended#11
linw
why not make them pay their debts so the money could help our soldiers go into care homes without having to sell their homes and kick out their wives and families .as we could then afford to help them more .this is just an example of how our money could help our own country i'm sure theres lots of other charities in the uk crying out for help


If you was not so ignorant like a few other people on this thread.
Then you would know that France was the country that caused Haiti's debt, not Haiti itself.
France pretty much stole what would be around £13 Billion during the slave period
banned#12
A nice sentiment OP, but there are far too many people who don't like to help other people if they themselves aren't happy with their own life.

Personally, I think anything we can do to help a country in such dire straits is a good thing.

But a lot of embittered people will say why bother, when their own finances and lives are so bad.
banned#13
The chancellor will have budgeted any repayments into his books if they owe us any money ? Though I'm sure it's mostly the US that have lent them the money.
#14
DarkKnight
If you was not so ignorant like a few other people on this thread.
Then you would know that France was the country that caused Haiti's debt, not Haiti itself.
France pretty much stole what would be around £13 Billion during the slave period


so what did the British do for the past 100's of years?

Are you doing to be man/woman enough to give all that you have back to the people who need it?
banned#15
Carley;7611993
much better put than guv

(and are you serious about them getting help since you were born? wow i didn't realise they had been getting help for so long :w00t:)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_debt_of_Haiti
banned#16
Carley
much better put than guv

(and are you serious about them getting help since you were born? wow i didn't realise they had been getting help for so long :w00t:)


I wanted to say so much more, but know theres members who will be there with thier spoons if it doesnt come across as meant, such an emotive issue so trying to be extremely careful with how i word it
banned#17
Carley
guv, did you stop to think before you posted that comment?
i'm supportive of listening to both sides of any debate but seriously dude, if you don't think this is a worthwhile cause then why not just ignore it and move on instead of posting a trolling comment?


It was quite serious.

This country is in a recession. I can sympathise with the plight and need for aid. I just fail to see this as a reason to wipe out the debt. Assisting to rebuild is one thing and fine. I dont agree with both. You are obviously free to disagree.
banned#18
cant do this for one poor nation and then not another

o here you people of haiti a wee quake flattened yer town so we will scratch yer debts, that it you owe nothing

now on the other hand, see you sudan you stil owe those hundreds of millions, unless a quake hits ye yer paying!
#19
hncb0809
cant do this for one poor nation and then not another

o here you people of haiti a wee quake flattened yer town so we will scratch yer debts, that it you owe nothing

now on the other hand, see you sudan you stil owe those hundreds of millions, unless a quake hits ye yer paying!


This
#20
papa doc duvalier is all i say about haiti debt.
suspended#21
hncb0809
cant do this for one poor nation and then not another

o here you people of haiti a wee quake flattened yer town so we will scratch yer debts, that it you owe nothing

now on the other hand, see you sudan you stil owe those hundreds of millions, unless a quake hits ye yer paying!


It was not a "wee" quake. If you know anything about earthquakes then you would know how bad a quake it was.

And Haiti shouldn't have had the debt in the first place, due to France as i previously posted
#22
hncb0809
cant do this for one poor nation and then not another

o here you people of haiti a wee quake flattened yer town so we will scratch yer debts, that it you owe nothing

now on the other hand, see you sudan you stil owe those hundreds of millions, unless a quake hits ye yer paying!


Dragon's Den....Rent-A-Quake...do you think it's a starter.
banned#23
DarkKnight
It was not a "wee" quake. If you know anything about earthquakes then you would know how bad a quake it was.

And Haiti shouldn't have had the debt in the first place, due to France as i previously posted


i couldnt care if france put them in debt or not

if the uks to scrub its debt then we are the one counting the cost

quake or no quake i wouldnt wipe the debt for no one

would the bank wipe your 20k debt i a gas explosion reduced yer house to rubble?


no would they *beep*
#24
greg_68
Dragon's Den....Rent-A-Quake...do you think it's a starter.


:w00t:
banned#25
throwing millions upon millions of pounds to put a country back to its original state, when original state is not good, seems pointless, so i do think they need help to put it into a better state otherwise the already millions upon millions spent have been spent on ............................. i cant think of the right wording for the ending
#26
We won't need to wipe out their debt as half of them will be over here on a freebie I dare say.
banned 1 Like #27
For those interested in seeing where all their debts came from and who actually received the loans (not the people, thats for sure!):-

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Caribbean/Haiti_Enslaved_Debt.html

It might help some people remove their blinkers. Haiti will be a poor country FOREVER without their debt being at least partially cleared. It would be cheaper to wipe it then keep taking back with one hand and giving with the other.

i.e charities and international development aid gets given by the world's citizens only to be swallowed up by debt repayments to the world banks!

[FONT=Tahoma]Debt makes up 35% of Haiti's GDP![/FONT]
[helper]#28
sassie
I wanted to say so much more, but know theres members who will be there with thier spoons if it doesnt come across as meant, such an emotive issue so trying to be extremely careful with how i word it


I think you worded it very well :thumbsup: If they are given debt relief other countries will expect similar treatment and all it would mean is that more money is available for tinpot dictators and for their armies. .....
banned#29
Same suspects worried about their benefits disappearing.
banned#30
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#31
greg_68
We won't need to wipe out their debt as half of them will be over here on a freebie I dare say.


agreed,time to lock the doors,quickly.
banned#32
guv;7612031
It was quite serious.

This country is in a recession. I can sympathise with the plight and need for aid. I just fail to see this as a reason to wipe out the debt. Assisting to rebuild is one thing and fine. I dont agree with both. You are obviously free to disagree.

to be fair, I think you'll find Haitis debt to the UK is tiny. The recent laptop giveaway to kids in poverty would have cost a lot more.

To put it in perspective, IT projects alone under Labour wasted £26,000,000,000 (£26BN)! :w00t:

http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/1/20/it-projects-failings-under-labour-cost-26-billion/
banned#33
[SIZE=5]LOL - Just found out that the UK cancelled all Haiti's debt LAST YEAR! [/SIZE]

So this bickering is pointless!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/19/haiti-debts-uk-taiwan-venezuela

Britain was one of the first members of the Paris Club to cancel all the debts , and it has now urged Venezuela and Taiwan, which are outside the Paris Club, to provide full debt cancellation for Haiti.
[helper]#34
csiman
For those interested in seeing where all their debts came from and who actually received the loans (not the people, thats for sure!):-

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Caribbean/Haiti_Enslaved_Debt.html

It might help some people remove their blinkers. Haiti will be a poor country FOREVER without their debt being at least partially cleared. It would be cheaper to wipe it then keep taking back with one hand and giving with the other.

i.e charities and international development aid gets given by the world's citizens only to be swallowed up by debt repayments to the world banks!

[FONT=Tahoma]Debt makes up 35% of Haiti's GDP![/FONT]

Good sensible post :thumbsup: Problem is that if the debt is cleared whats to stop exactly the same thing happening again ie misappropriation of money, corruption etc If they have no debt they are free to borrow more and there is no gaurantee that the money borrowed will be used wisely.
banned#35
FilthAndFurry
Same suspects worried about their benefits disappearing.


It isnt us they owe :roll:
#36
csiman
[SIZE=6]LOL - Just found out that the UK cancelled all Haiti's debt LAST YEAR! [/SIZE]

So this bickering is pointless!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/19/haiti-debts-uk-taiwan-venezuela

Britain was one of the first members of the Paris Club to cancel all the debts , and it has now urged Venezuela and Taiwan, which are outside the Paris Club, to provide full debt cancellation for Haiti.


lol

pwned
#37
csiman
[SIZE=5]LOL - Just found out that the UK cancelled all Haiti's debt LAST YEAR! [/SIZE]

So this bickering is pointless!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/19/haiti-debts-uk-taiwan-venezuela

Britain was one of the first members of the Paris Club to cancel all the debts , and it has now urged Venezuela and Taiwan, which are outside the Paris Club, to provide full debt cancellation for Haiti.


lolingtons
banned#38
sassie
It isnt us they owe :roll:


No - it's the people who work for a living that owe you something apparently.
#39
From the links I've read was that.. Haiti wanted more freedom in exchange for debt (which they cant handle)..

Sorry if im being blunt but isnt slavery (if that was REALLY what it was) ever so slightly better than people simply dying of illness, poverty etc etc?
banned#40
gari189;7612206
Good sensible post :thumbsup: Problem is that if the debt is cleared whats to stop exactly the same thing happening again ie misappropriation of money, corruption etc If they have no debt they are free to borrow more and there is no gaurantee that the money borrowed will be used wisely.

Safeguards on future borrowing should be put in place. I'm surprised the World Bank doesnt do this already with lending. Then again, all they're concerned with is interest forever. Its one of the most corrupt organisations in the world imo (run by the Elite for the Elite!).

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