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DROP HAITI DEBT PETTITION

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Christian Aid is responding to the disaster in Haiti with emergency aid. But we need to help Haiti in the long-term as well as the short-term.

We are now calling on the UK to lead the world in giving Haiti a fighting chance for the future by cancelling its $890m of international debt.

Sign our petition and we will present your call to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Alistair Darling.

http://act.christianaid.org.uk/ea-campaign/clientcampaign.do?ea.client.id=48&ea.campaign.id=5484

UK has already cancelled its debt to Haiti
- boothy

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    greg_68
    Apart from causing arguments between certain members of this forum what do these types of threads ever achieve on a SHOPPING FORUM.

    if you are the slightest bit interested in a topic wouldn't you seek out your own info and news.

    There are countless topics I could post away on here (none of them SHOPPING related) but I choose not too because it isn't the audience required.

    I feel this type of thread just causes unrest in this community and serves absolutely no purpose. Unlike the 3 tins of baked beans for 50p threads. (inB4 the 'can you post a link to the beans thread please').
    FilthAndFurry
    Inquisitor
    From the links I've read was that.. Haiti wanted more freedom in exchange for debt (which they cant handle)..

    Sorry if im being blunt but isnt slavery (if that was REALLY what it was) ever so slightly better than people simply dying of illness, poverty etc etc?


    That's like saying AIDS is better than cancer because at least you still have nice hair to style.:roll:
    gari189
    gari189[helper]3 years, 3 months ago #43Show comment toolsReply
    csiman
    Safeguards on future borrowing should be put in place. I'm surprised the World Bank doesnt do this already with lending. Then again, all they're concerned with is interest forever. Its one of the most corrupt organisations in the world imo (run by the Elite for the Elite!).

    Yes having safeguards did occur to me but if you look whats happened in Afghanistan and Iraq most of the money has dissappeared despite the safeguards in place. Maybe its better just to give aid (not money) directly to the people....
    FilthAndFurry
    greg_68
    Apart from causing arguments between certain members of this forum what do these types of threads ever achieve on a SHOPPING FORUM.

    if you are the slightest bit interested in a topic wouldn't you seek out your own info and news.

    There are countless topics I could post away on here (none of them SHOPPING related) but I choose not too because it isn't the audience required.

    I feel this type of thread just causes unrest in this community and serves absolutely no purpose. Unlike the 3 tins of baked beans for 50p threads.


    I think the absolute opposite - I feel that people here are more representative of the British public than a politics forum.

    People there are usually much more informed, whereas a lot of people here get more of their info from tabloids.
    Plum
    Plum3 years, 3 months ago #45Show comment toolsReply
    This petition relates to international debt, not just British debt. The point of canceling debt to Haiti is so that any relief goes into rebuilding the country, not back in the the treasuries of the very governments who have pledged Help.

    Regardless of what some some posters say, we live in global community. In the same way that factories can be closed down in this country and open up the other side of the world, problems in any part of the world have an impact on us all. The best thing for this country is if Haiti is rebuilt as quickly as possible and has a chance to become a viable society. Canceling historical debt that acts as a break to development is a step in that direction. Haiti is devastated and has no real chance of repaying this debt themselves.

    The choice is either the relief goes into rebuilding the country, or it is swallowed up in debt payments to relatively rich countries.
    chesso
    It seems to me that this petition is rather an odd thing.
    The UK and in particular Gordon Brown, has always led the world in promoting debt cancellation.

    In relation to Haiti, I have googled and
    The Paris Club has cited non-members Venezuela and Taiwan as two other big public lenders to the impoverished Caribbean nation and urged them to cancel its debts.
    The club, an informal grouping of governments from rich countries that have made public loans to other states, had already agreed to cancel all the $214m owed by Haiti to its members.
    These countries include the United States, Japan, Germany, France, Britain and Canada

    http://www.news24.com/Content/World/Haiti_Quake/3974/f9c20679c2ca46f8a556e1dedef3ae63/19-01-2010-06-02/Push_for_Haiti_debt_cancellation
    http://omiusajpic.org/2009/07/01/haitian-debt-cancellation/

    IMF Loan Changed to a Grant
    http://omiusajpic.org/2010/01/20/imf-loan-changed-to-a-grant/

    Also thanks to ODB for this link.
    says
    Haiti had a total external debt of 1.4 billion dollars at peak. 45% of this debt was accumulated under the Duvalier dictatorship.[5][6] In April, Haiti was added to the World Bank and IMF's highly indebted poor country initiative (HIPC) following the election of new president René Préval. In September 2009, following a program of economic and social reforms, Haiti met the requirements for completion of the HIPC program, qualifying it for cancellation of its external debt obligations..[7]Haiti's largest creditor, the [COLOR="DarkRed"]Inter-American Development Bank (IDB), is not part of the debt relief initiative[/COLOR]. Haiti's debt to the IDB amounts to approximately half a billion dollars with debt service payments projected by the IMF to increase in the following years.
    sassie
    same old, its a real shame when certain members joined this site, since then not one thread has managed to ever stay on a decdent level, its pathetic and a real shame, and yes filth i am talking about you
    ODB_69
    chesso;7612311

    Also thanks to ODB for this link.
    says
    Haiti had a total external debt of 1.4 billion dollars at peak. 45% of this debt was accumulated under the Duvalier dictatorship.[5][6] In April, Haiti was added to the World Bank and IMF's highly indebted poor country initiative (HIPC) following the election of new president René Préval. In September 2009, following a program of economic and social reforms, Haiti met the requirements for completion of the HIPC program, qualifying it for cancellation of its external debt obligations..[7]Haiti's largest creditor, the [COLOR=darkred]Inter-American Development Bank (IDB), is not part of the debt relief initiative[/COLOR]. Haiti's debt to the IDB amounts to approximately half a billion dollars with debt service payments projected by the IMF to increase in the following years.


    you are more than welcome lovely lady and congrats on seeing what no one else did ;-)
    FilthAndFurry
    sassie
    same old, its a real shame when certain members joined this site, since then not one thread has managed to ever stay on a decdent level, its pathetic and a real shame, and yes filth i am talking about you


    What do you mean by a decadent level?

    You want chandeliers and flowers in threads?:?
    FilthAndFurry
    Winspiration
    Hmm, speaking of which...didn't you post a little while ago to agree with another member who said 'half of them will be over here on a freebie', and that you felt it was 'time to lock the doors, quickly'?


    He's a BNP supporter. Really not worth 'discussing' things with him because it's against his political beliefs:thumbsup:
    ODB_69
    sassie;7612312
    same old, its a real shame when certain members joined this site, since then not one thread has managed to ever stay on a decdent level, its pathetic and a real shame, and yes filth i am talking about you


    think you'll find the thread had degenerated before his entry so I would say in the context of this thread alone thats uncalled for and carrying it on helps no one but pushes it further in the wrong direction

    saying that though its a pointless thread anyway
    csiman
    Plum;7612300
    This petition relates to international debt, not just British debt. The point of canceling debt to Haiti is so that any relief goes into rebuilding the country, not back in the the treasuries of the very governments who have pledged Help.

    Regardless of what some some posters say, we live in global community. In the same way that factories can be closed down in this country and open up the other side of the world, problems in any part of the world have an impact on us all. The best thing for this country is if Haiti is rebuilt as quickly as possible and has a chance to become a viable society. Canceling historical debt that acts as a break to development is a step in that direction. Haiti is devastated and has no real chance of repaying this debt themselves.

    The choice is either the relief goes into rebuilding the country, or it is swallowed up in debt payments to relatively rich countries.

    Most international debt is to private banks, not countries. :thumbsup:

    I cant see private banks even opening this petition.
    Plum
    Plum3 years, 3 months ago #53Show comment toolsReply
    There is not doubt that in the face of such devestation things are moving fast. Links are coming thick and fast to very interesting articles. This is the level that the debate should be at. However I for one am glad the pressure is building to the point where we are seeing change in governments positions by the hour. I still believe this pettition is valid. It takes seconds to fill out, and if by the time it's used the debt has been cancelled then brilliant!!

    However if there is backsliding of any kind pressure from this pettition and others with give our government some help in pushing the cause for cancelling the debt.

    If you want to help you should sign.
    Plum
    Plum3 years, 3 months ago #54Show comment toolsReply
    ODB_69
    saying that though its a pointless thread anyway


    You may disagree, you may think the whole cause is hopless. But if one person has signed it not pointless.

    csiman
    Most international debt is to private banks, not countries. :thumbsup:

    I cant see private banks even opening this petition.


    Banks may own the debt, but remember we just bailed there backsides out of their self made disaster. People and their goverments can and should put all the pressure on them.

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