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dual-booting win XP and Ubuntu - advice sought!

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8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
as the snappy title suggests I want to dual-boot a machine with winxXP and Ubuntu 8.04. can someone point me in the direction of a good primer on this or just give me some advice, i'm thinking of things like;

Partition tools
Partition sizes / logical drive set-ups
The order to install (i.e. which O.S to install first and why)
any other nuggets of wisdom!!

TIA, dan
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8y, 7m agoPosted 8 years, 7 months ago
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Install XP then Ubuntu and there's an option to install Ubuntu as the second OS... I know it says version 7 but works fine for 8 - hardly any changes in the install...

http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_windows_xp_and_linux_xp_installed_first.htm
#2
If I can just add a bit to this - I have added Ubuntu to my PC and it is working ok as a Dual boot -
The way I did it was creating the Ubuntu CD and then booting from this CD and allowing Ubuntu to do its thing in setting up a partition etc- I am sure other on here will tell you more.
What I need to know is how to edit the boot menu (uses Grub) so that the XP is the default option not Ubuntu
I look forward to reading all the comments on this post.....:)
markluk
#3
markluk
If I can just add a bit to this - I have added Ubuntu to my PC and it is working ok as a Dual boot -
The way I did it was creating the Ubuntu CD and then booting from this CD and allowing Ubuntu to do its thing in setting up a partition etc- I am sure other on here will tell you more.
What I need to know is how to edit the boot menu (uses Grub) so that the XP is the default option not Ubuntu
I look forward to reading all the comments on this post.....:)
markluk


The end section of the above link covers setting up GRUB.

'The default value is 0, which means that the first entry in the list (which is Ubuntu) always gets loaded.

If you want to make it so that Windows XP loads by default, change the value to 4, as XP is the fifth item in the list (the numbering system starts at 0).

The other way to load Windows XP by default is to change the value for “default” from a numerical value to “saved”. Then, GRUB will load whichever boot entry has been marked with “savedefault”. '
#4
cheers for that! ;-)
#5
dt_matthews
cheers for that! ;-)


no prob - post back if you get stuck and I'll help all I can... it can be a bit confusing to start off with particularly if you're new to linux
#6
Thanks a lot for the info - I will look into it tonight....
My next problem will be setting up the belkin wireless USB stick on Ubuntu....any pointers?
Oh and also why does my Ubuntu takes ages to load...it seem to have issues with the Bluetooth????
#7
you can install Ubuntu 8.04 using wubi - it installs just like any other windows application - you can then uninstall it using the Add/Remove option in windows. Just burn the Ubuntu CD and launch it from Windows and select the option to install from windows - no need to create partitions. Works great!
#8
this thread may interest you http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/158952/laptop-broke-no-operating-system-he/

it turns into a thread about dual booting.
#9
wicked stuff, thanks everyone! ;-)
#10
markluk
Thanks a lot for the info - I will look into it tonight....
My next problem will be setting up the belkin wireless USB stick on Ubuntu....any pointers?
Oh and also why does my Ubuntu takes ages to load...it seem to have issues with the Bluetooth????


If it doesn't install automatically (mine did) just make sure you've got the correct drivers - There are lots of opensource Belkin drivers out there if you do a google search... type the model number and "Ubuntu" and follow a guide or walkthrough for your stick on http://ubuntuforums.org

Very friendly and supportive over there!
#11
kemot1984
you can install Ubuntu 8.04 using wubi - it installs just like any other windows application - you can then uninstall it using the Add/Remove option in windows. Just burn the Ubuntu CD and launch it from Windows and select the option to install from windows - no need to create partitions. Works great!


i assume running in this mode it would run slower ? (i.e. does it effectively run 'within' a windows partition)... sorry for noob q's...
#12
what model is you belkin stick??
#13
guerilla;1990545
what model is you belkin stick??

It is called Belkin Wireless G+ USB Adapter...not sure of the number.
#14
if you find the number you can find the chipset and whether it is supported out of the box with ubuntu. if its not you will have to install a program called ndiswrapper which allows you to use the windows drivers with in ubuntu. hopefully though you'll be lucky
#15
I think the number will be F5D7050 or F5D7051....how do I find the chipset etc?
#16
google it, the new release has had some work done on the drivers though, so the easiest thing to do might be to install it and see it it works
#17
markluk;1990612
I think the number will be F5D7050 or F5D7051....how do I find the chipset etc?


F5D7050 and F5D7051 are completely different unfortunately - it should say on the back of the device. I never got a F5D7051 to work after much trying but that was quite a while ago on 6.10 or 7.04, your best bet is to find the exact model and do some googling (eg F5D7051 + Ubuntu).
#18
I have installed Ubuntu and the Belkin USB stick doesnt work....I am an early stages with Ubuntu but I need the net first so I can read all the help posted on it!!
When I installed Ubuntu I just left my PC with everything connected...went throught the CD installtion, new partition etc and is all 'works' but no wireless network :(
#19
jah128;1990652
F5D7050 and F5D7051 are completely different unfortunately - it should say on the back of the device. I never got a F5D7051 to work after much trying but that was quite a while ago on 6.10 or 7.04, your best bet is to find the exact model and do some googling (eg F5D7051 + Ubuntu).

I have had another look on the net and I am sure its a F5D7050..I guess I need to use Ndiswrapper etc.... where is the best idiots guide?
#20
It should say on the back of the adapter what it is - do you not have access to it?

This seems a good start here if it is 7050: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210035
#21
jah128;1990690
It should say on the back of the adapter what it is - do you not have access to it?

No thats the problem I am at work and the stick is at home.....I did have a look at the weekend and I am sure it ended in a '0' and on looking on the net it looks right!
#22
I see - they both look the same I think unfortunately, but assuming its the 7050 it should be fairly simple to do using ndiswrapper as in the guide above - a bit of terminal work but nothing too scary...

Its great if possible to use wired networking when you are installing linux then you will have access to the internet whilst trying to setup the wireless networking - not sure if that is possible (obviously you'll need a network cable and access to the router) but it can make life much easier!
#23
jah128;1990743
I see - they both look the same I think unfortunately, but assuming its the 7050 it should be fairly simple to do using ndiswrapper as in the guide above - a bit of terminal work but nothing too scary...

Its great if possible to use wired networking when you are installing linux then you will have access to the internet whilst trying to setup the wireless networking - not sure if that is possible (obviously you'll need a network cable and access to the router) but it can make life much easier!

Sadly I would need a very long cable!!
That guide looks good....I do have another PC and I can switch between the two so I can get on the net at the same time :)
I will let you know how I get on
PS Is Ubuntu any good and worth my time 'learning' how to use it? What benfits are there over XP (hopefully speed!)
#24
markluk
Sadly I would need a very long cable!!
That guide looks good....I do have another PC and I can switch between the two so I can get on the net at the same time :)
I will let you know how I get on
PS Is Ubuntu any good and worth my time 'learning' how to use it? What benfits are there over XP (hopefully speed!)


I don't really notice any difference in speed. It's great for opensource apps that aren't available for XP, simple to run a webserver (LAMP), file server, bittorrent machine etc...

Depends what you want from it if it's worth learning to use terminal. Most things should be familiar but some are very different - there's no C:! It's different, not better or worse than XP... expect a steep learning curve but enjoy it if you're the sort of person that likes mucking around with computers... :)
#25
markluk
Sadly I would need a very long cable!!


Long cables are cheap on the wallet - expensive on relationships :)
#26
PS Is Ubuntu any good and worth my time 'learning' how to use it? What benfits are there over XP (hopefully speed!)

Where to begin! Okay, Linux is based on Unix, which is far more reliable, well-structured, scalable, resource-friendly and sensible platform that the Windows base - certainly a huge portion of the internet and business systems are built upon *nix and numerous set-top boxes/similar small computing devices use a stripped down Linux. Linux is completely open-source and free many people know exactly what is happening, how the underlying kernel works and how to write software for it. Open-source ultimately results in less bugs and quicker solutions to those bugs, provided people are willing to work to find and solve bugs (which many linux users generally are). So its generally faster, uses system resources far better, far more versatile (it can read and mount numerous file systems including Windows (FAT/NTFS) with no user input) and comes with much, much more software the Windows (via downloadable packages)...

The software library for Linux is vast - most things you might want to do in Windows (and might have to pay for software to do) you can do in Linux using an free open-source equivalent. To find the software you simply search for what you want in the 'package manager' then two clicks later its installed.

Also worth noting that a lot of the people who use Linux are programmers/quite geeky types they spend quite a bit of there time writing quite geeky flashy things which means Linux (certainly recent Ubuntu and others) has some very flashy widgets and desktop effects/animations - you can make it look and perform just like Windows Aero or OS X and plenty of other eye candy stuff on top.

So much other stuff. And finally its probably growing quite quickly in userbase and taking some of Windows share - particularly in poorer countries (think about the OLPC project ($100 laptop) and the Asus EEE and things like that) - so in coming years I expect far more people to be using/writing/bug-fixing Linux and having a knowledge of Linux systems.
#27
One last query (for now!)
Why does it seem to 'hang' when booting up - it then shows text on the screen and error messges against the 'bluetooth' device
I have a bluetooth dongle which was present when I installed Ubuntu but I have now unplugged it as I don't really use it, unplugging it didnt make any difference to the booting up time etc :(

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