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9y, 4m agoPosted 9 years, 4 months ago
Can anyone help us on this matter..

My old dears are away to buy (or thinking on) the Toshiba DR17DT from Argos at £199.99 but it says in the book HD Upscaling 1080p

will her Samsung LE37S73BD work with this recorder?:? :? or do we just have to pick a recorder that has 1080i?

with that recorder having 1 HDMI connection, when she records etc will the picture she get be perfect as its recording in digital from the sky box?

thank you
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9y, 4m agoPosted 9 years, 4 months ago
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#1
Don't worry about the upscaling - it will upscale to the maximum that the TV will take - they will have quoted 1080p as the maximum that it will upscale to (if that makes sense?)
the webpage quotes both 1080i and 1080p:
http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=1500000701&langId=-1&searchTerms=DR17DT&go.x=16&go.y=13

the box will have a scart connection too
You will probably need to connect sky to the recorder via scart and then use the HDMI to the TV.

Picture will be as as good as the signal coming from the sky box - and only as good as the lead that carries it!

BTW - I take it the Sky box is the standard one, and not Sky+?
If so, would it not be better to get SKY+? (£110 Quidco at the moment too!) which means the cost to upgrade is only £20!!

Unless of course they plan to burn a lot of recordings to DVD...
#2
no my mum like recording mate, she never stops recording lol


she thinks the sky+ would be too difficult for her and she also wants to be able to watch dvd's for wich the + box cant offer
#3
Fair enough!
#4
any good suggestions on scart leads Jayhab? just so we get the best available connection
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This one seems to be quite good - v. cheap too:

http://www.screwfix.com/search.do;jsessionid=G0UHSENGQDZH0CSTHZPCFFA?_dyncharset=UTF-8&fh_search=thor

same one is £30 at Richer Sounds!!:

http://www.richersounds.co.uk/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=PHIL-THOR-1.5-SCART

They're actually £14.99 from here inc postage:

http://www.beststuff.co.uk/thor.htm

But i've never used this site, so it's a bit of an unknown!
#6
Remember, you may need 2 scart leads
1 from sky to dvd
1 from sky to tv

unless they intend to have the HDD on all the time (to pass the sky signal through) - some machines do not allow the 'pass-through' function (sky>HDD>TV) whilst the HDD is in standby.

Also (as with ours) the picture quality is not as good when the 'pass through' IS used!
Viewing a recording from sky or a dvd is fine, but watching a 'live' sky prog that is passed through the HDD is not!!
#7
Ok right we got the Recorder:

altho when we connected up the HDMI lead the picture was a bit fuzzy on certain things (like the clock on the football match"

we took the cable out and the picture was fine, why is this when all is HD compatible?

Is it really needing that HDMI socket and is it worth it keeping it and what is HDMI used for on it?

she doesnt have Sky HD :whistling: :p

Oh,..if i bought an HD film, will it look the best through the connection HDMI to the tele from the recorder? or will it nor work at all?
#8
Saxo mate, i'm not too clued up on HDMI as at present I don't have an HDMI source to play with! I'm a little puzzled as to why you'd get a fuzzy picture though, as HDMI is a pure digital signal passing from the source to the TV, then the TV converts everything to display the picture - it should therefore, be crystal clear?
(I also don't have an upscaler - so could be to do with that? - check manual!)

When you say 'clock on football match' - was this 'live' on SKY that you were watching it? and was this the 'daisychain' set-up (sky>HDD>TV) - if so, as mentioned above, the HDD player may not like the pass-through set-up; try recording the 'clock on footy' then playing it back to see if it's still fuzzy. Sounds crazy I know - but similar issue on my set-up.
If you really want to be able to use the 'pass through' set-up, try this:
* Set Sky to output in RGB
* Make sure the scart RGB out on SKY goes to the HDD box (I think this might be the one labled TV)
* Connect this to the scart socket that accepts an RGB signal on the HDD
* Ensure the HDD is set up to receive an RGB signal
* Use the HDMI to view the result

If there is no improvement, I'd stick to using the HDMI for playback only and use the extra scart lead method between the SKY box and the TV! :-)

If you buy an HD film, you'll need an HD player - that machine will only play DVD format, not HD-DVD, but on an HD player, HDMI would give the best results.

good luck mate - hope you get it working!
#9
saxo_appeal
any good suggestions on scart leads Jayhab? just so we get the best available connection


Don't waste your money on gold plated scarts, unless the receiver has gold plated sockets, you will not get any benefit from them.

They are just market hype, get some reasonable quality normal scart leads.
#10
Inactive
Don't waste your money on gold plated scarts, unless the receiver has gold plated sockets, you will not get any benefit from them.

They are just market hype, get some reasonable quality normal scart leads.


True - but it's usually the other componants of the cable that give it the better connectivity results: e.g. screened, oxygen free cable - the manufacturers will then compliment this with the gold plated connectors.

Little point having the top quality cable, and sticking cheap plugs on the ends!!

:thumbsup:

..... besides, they're pretty too!!

lol!
#11
jayhab


..... besides, they're pretty too!!

lol!


Very expensive " pretty ", with no improvement in picture quality over reasonable quality standard cables, oh and apart from that, they are at the back of the unit, so not seen, also, once they are plugged in, nobody can actually see the gold plating..:roll:

100% hype.:whistling:
#12
it was a joke......

you seem to have missed the main point regarding the other componants in the cable. I doubt there will be cables available with quality componants and non-gold plated plugs - they tend to be part and parcel i'm afraid.

It's all a question of how much your whole system is worth - if you're using a £15 dvd player from Asda or Tesco etc, and connecting it to a 21" TV, then no amount of money spent on quality interconnects is going to give you stellar results. On the other hand, if you've got a huge TV that cost over a grand, and a source that cost £300+, then you wouldn't go to the Pound shop to buy your scart lead. A Ferrari owner wouldn't usually fill up at a Tesco petrol station!!

Quality interconnects will provide better results over cheap cabling, but it will depend on the equipment that they are attached to. The equipment that Saxo will be connecting will definately benefit from some quality cables.

What interconnects do you use?
#13
jayhab
it was a joke......


Like the one at post number 6.. :giggle: :giggle:
#14
I'm sorry, I don't follow?

I fail to see where there is a joke in post number 6.

The OP is asking for help with quality interconnects -

I've then pointed him to 3 retailers offering the same cable, a cable having won several awards for quality by recognised testers - who agree that quality interconnects deliver benefits over cheap ones.

Yet you find this funny?

or am I taking this too seriously?

so, what interconnects do you use?
#15
jayhab
I'm sorry, I don't follow?

I fail to see where there is a joke in post number 6.

The OP is asking for help with quality interconnects -

I've then pointed him to 3 retailers offering the same cable, a cable having won several awards for quality by recognised testers - who agree that quality interconnects deliver benefits over cheap ones.

Yet you find this funny?

or am I taking this too seriously?


Sorry, you are obviously sucked in by the " industry hype " surrounding this matter, I am not.

If you are happy to spend around £15 on a scart cable that will give no visual benefit over a good quality scart cable, so be it.

Of course the " testers " are all truly independent and not in cahoots with the cable makers.:roll:
#16
Ok Woah woah, can we get back onto the topic of my question please...

thank you.

Right Jayhab, ill draw a piture of the setup when i go up there this afternoon, i think your right with the daisy chain effect.

If my mum and dad were to get HD sky would that make any or all the difference? would the HDMI socket and connecting the Sky HD thru the recorder work?

Also thanks for the advice Inactive, much appreciated
#17
Inactive - you still fail to answer the question regarding your own interconnects!
I'm puzzled as to how much you think a 'good quality' scart cable will cost you, given that £15 is too much? £15 is nowt compared to what you could pay - if you so desired cables can run into hundreds of pounds!

I suggest you do a little research of your own and stop being so paranoid, reviewers comments are there to provide assistance - the proof is in the pudding!

Have you actually tried a set of quality cables against the free ones that come with equipment?

I can definately vouch that quality cables provide a better picture - crisper and more vibrant.

Saxo - not sure about Sky HD - in theory it should work - again though, it's still daisychaining - could still be issues, but TBH don't know!

If they were to get Sky HD - the HDD recorder would probably be redundant - The SKY+ features would soon take over - granted you may still transfer some stuff to DVD.

I take it that they want to make use of the pausing live tv feature - hence the daisychaining?
#18
would they get Sky HD quality if they recorder on that recorder thru a sky+ box?
#19
Im really thinking she should maybe take the recorder back and get a cheaper one as it doesnt sound to me that she is getting the full benefit of paying £199 instead of only £119 for the wharfdale one
#20
Again - they'll only get as good a picture as the source: so recording from SD Sky or SKY+ (usind some nice cable!) will get you a near exact copy of the transmission, that when played back will probably be upscaled a little and provide a decent picture.

Using a Sky+ box to record from SKY, will give you an exact copy of what is being broadcast - although thre will be no upscaling and daisychaining through the HDD player to add the upscaling, would probably result in a loss of picture quality.

Using SKY HD (which I don't have btw!) will probably give near-perfect recording and playback of the broadcast - however there are still too few HD channels to warrant this as worthwhile imo.
#21
saxo_appeal
Im really thinking she should maybe take the recorder back and get a cheaper one as it doesnt sound to me that she is getting the full benefit of paying £199 instead of only £119 for the wharfdale one


Well, as with cable... you get what you pay for! £199 for a DVD recorder and HDD, I think is quite reasonable, however if they were to get SKY+ (or SKY HD, but not yet - see above) there would be no need for a sepearte HDD device and you could go for a cheaper standalone DVD recorder.

That said, unless they really do intend to store a lot of dvd recordings, you could possibly do away with that box altogether - we've had ours for approx 2 years and have only ever burnt about 6 discs in that time! - The HDD hasn't been used at all since we got SKY+ 6 week ago.

It really does depend on what they envisage doing with it - If they will definately burn stuff to archive - they'll need a recorder, if it's just neighbours & eastenders etc - then Sky+ would be my recommendation!

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