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Ebay changes have been announced today

amanda f Avatar
8y, 10m agoPosted 8 years, 10 months ago
Ebay have announced a load of changes to the way it runs today.

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/businesscentre/2008bsrl/overview.html

Looks better for the buyer anyway as sellers won't be able to neg any more or even leave neutral feedback. Powersellers will HAVE to be registered as a business seller but will get selling discounts plus more stuff, got bored reading it all to be honest! Just thought I would mention.

Surely there are some up and coming auction internet sites, anyone on here use any? (that is, if we are allowed to discuss such matters on here)
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8y, 10m agoPosted 8 years, 10 months ago
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#1
Link to this info? As you say thats only part of it?
#2
If sellers can no longer leave neutral or negative, then Buyers are going to be more inclined to leave poor feedback. As it is they are able to rate sellers on communication, description, delivery times and P&P charges.
1 Like #3
if sellers can't leave negative feedback, we wont have a warning about non-paying bidders.
#4
You missed out on one of the biggest details...

Final Value Fee is going up to 7.5%.
#5
duckmagicuk2;1519977
Final Value Fee is going up to 7.5%.

Robbing b******s
#6
Don't get it, if the seller can't give negative feedback and you don't sell anything you will eventually always get good feedback???? Makes no sense..
#7
duckmagicuk2
You missed out on one of the biggest details...

Final Value Fee is going up to 7.5%.


And the rest....

Conning ******* ***** **^&%%& **^*^**! (Not sure what I just said but it wasn't complimentary).
#8
just had a read through, doesn't seem too bad, all for the greater good?
#9
The feeddback system will be even more worthless than it is now, ok at the minute you get dodgy traders threatening you over feedback when their goods are shoddy! But this is ludicrous! FVF's what are they at the minute?

Kind of explains why the random emails to people with the £10 code though!!! They give with one hand then nick it back from you with the other!
#10
I use playtrade instead at the mo - got £100 in there at the mo from selling a few old games I no longer played & just sold the LoTR thing that we all got for £4.99 on here ages ago for £30 :-)

I don't know what the fee's are like though - they were doing a fee free month for Jan to get people signed up.

It's a good alternative to ebay anyway but only for DVD''s & games really. It's the other way round if you get what I mean you quote a price which you can change as often as you like then it emails you if someone buys it.

worto.
#11
harlzter
FVF's what are they at the minute?


Currently 5.25%. Increasing to 7.5%.

Extra 22.5p for each £10 of items you sell.

Extra £2.25 for each £100 of items you sell.
#12
duckmagicuk2
You missed out on one of the biggest details...

Final Value Fee is going up to 7.5%.




Only for under £29.99, ie an increase of 68p per item. Upto £599.99 it's going up to 4.5% from 3.25% but with an oppourtunity to get it at a lower amount if you provide good service.

You'll need a minimum of 4.6 in all the dsr categories and sell a decent amount of stuff to get the discount but I think it's fairly do-able. I just need to get my p&p up from 4.3. Then it looks pretty easy to get a 20% discount which almost brings the fees back to what they were anyway.
#13
Great, so as a seller I can lose money and receive negative feedback from a scummy buyer yet have no means of warning other honest sellers. How is that in any way better/safer? :x

And don't get me started on their whole star system for rating sales as a means of judging how visible your auctions will be. there's sellers who have been given 1 star on P&P when it was free shipping! :x:x
#14
think people will reduce p&p charges to get better Star ratings, or charge more p&p to cover fees?
#15
Benjimoron
Only for under £29.99, ie an increase of 68p per item. Upto £599.99 it's going up to 4.5% from 3.25% but with an oppourtunity to get it at a lower amount if you provide good service.


Not necessarily. It's still 7.5% for the FIRST £30 of your item's final value. Then the next bit is at a reduced rate but still higher than previously.

As for getting it at a lower amount - you'd have to be a registered business, have a high rating and also sell a certain volume.
#16
I was making little enough on small items so it will prob just mean that I may go back to car boots sales as it will work out cheaper and at least they are usually good fun.
#17
duckmagicuk2
You missed out on one of the biggest details...

Final Value Fee is going up to 7.5%.


Reducing risk: up to 33% off Insertion Fees
#18
Well i'm going to be buying loads over the next few weeks. Why? Well as soon as the fees go up, so will the prices. I'm getting while the gettings good :p
#19
stora
Reducing risk: up to 33% off Insertion Fees


That'll save 5p for most people!
#20
peeps please read the full artical it will explain a lot of points that have been asked here.
#21
duckmagicuk2
Not necessarily. It's still 7.5% for the FIRST £30 of your item's final value. Then the next bit is at a reduced rate but still higher than previously.

As for getting it at a lower amount - you'd have to be a registered business, have a high rating and also sell a certain volume.


What do you mean not necessarily? I said it's going up and it'll cost an extra 68p for a £30 item like I said!!!

For the person who doesn't sell alot on ebay it's a bad thing, for someone who sells quite a bit it's a good thing as long as you sell a lot and you don't get screwed over by people giving you a bad rating. My fees should come down by about 75p an item as long as I can sell enough volume and increase my p&p score.

Do you think alot of people will be putting through some penny items to ensure a perfect rating? Shouldn't cost alot but could get a big reduction on your bill if done right?

EDIT - Just re-read my post and can see where the confusion has come from. I made it look like it wouldn't apply to a higher priced item but of course it would still affect the first £30 as ducky said (a 68p increase per item) although sell enough stuff and get a 20% reduction brings it back to almost what it was.
#22
Lol, OK. I see the error in my maths. :)
#23
stora
Reducing risk: up to 33% off Insertion Fees


Yes, however that's a 5p reduction which they're HEAVILY advertising. They aren't mentioning the fact that you'll be charged 4x this amount compared to the current fee if you sell an item for £9.99...

I see their reasons for doing it but they didn't have to push the fees up so much at the other end, surely??
#24
Won't the small sellers just give a **** star score to the big sellers to ensure we all get screwed over equally? I know I will be.

They should just put the final value to 10% and abolish the listing fees, cos that's what cripples most people if they get a bunch of unsold items.
#25
I think all small volume ebay sellers should boycott ebay for a month and see how they like it
#26
The Final value fee for games and dvd's was 9% anyway .
#27
pinkleponkle
They should just put the final value to 10% and abolish the listing fees, cos that's what cripples most people if they get a bunch of unsold items.


I think this is how it works in China.
#28
MrSharpshooter
The Final value fee for games and dvd's was 9% anyway .


Staying at 9%.

Car FVFs have gone up slightly too. eBay express will be closing.
#29
pinkleponkle
Won't the small sellers just give a **** star score to the big sellers to ensure we all get screwed over equally? I know I will be.

They should just put the final value to 10% and abolish the listing fees, cos that's what cripples most people if they get a bunch of unsold items.


That's one of the problems. I don't charge excessive p&p so I should have a very good score when it comes to p&p but it's 4.3 rather than the 4.6 I need. This could get worse if people do like you say. It's obviously designed to stop people charging high p&p to avoid fees. I may have to offer free p&p to get a better score to get a reduction in my fees.

At the end of the day the amount of p&p is irrelevant as a buyer simply combines the price and the p&p to get a final price which they can compare to other sellers.


On the subject of 10% fees why not just buy your unsold items from a friends account and agree not to complete purchase?
#30
PowerSeller Levels
PowerSeller thresholds are not changing. To reach the level of Bronze PowerSeller, you need to sell on average a minimum of £750 (or Euro exchange rate equivalent) or 100 items per month, for three consecutive months. All PowerSeller levels are as follows:

Bronze Silver Gold Platinum Titanium
Gross Merchandise Volume £750 £1,500 £6,000 £15,000 £95,000
Quantity of Items Sold 100 300 1,000 2,500 5,000



^^^ I assume that really does mean "or", ie you may only sell a few items that are worth alot of money but will still qualify for the higher rate of saving?
#31
[url]www.bideasynow.com[/url] sign up now as a member and you also get £10 worth of credit to use on sales fee's set up by a Guy called gerry who was a mod on the old simalert boards who got fed up by people saying they are sick of ebays ever increasing fee's and doing jack all about it, I had completetly forgotten about that site until this thread and checked back on his site since it was first set up and he seems to be doing well!
#32
duckmagicuk2
Yes, however that's a 5p reduction which they're HEAVILY advertising. They aren't mentioning the fact that you'll be charged 4x this amount compared to the current fee if you sell an item for £9.99...

I see their reasons for doing it but they didn't have to push the fees up so much at the other end, surely??


4x this amount for selling an item for £9.99? Is this BIN? I've just worked out it'll be an increase of 3p if sold at auction.

EDIT - I think it's a 3p saving for BIN. Correct me if I'm wrong?
#33
Benjimoron
4x this amount for selling an item for £9.99? Is this BIN? I've just worked out it'll be an increase of 3p if sold at auction.

EDIT - I think it's a 3p saving for BIN. Correct me if I'm wrong?


5.75% of 9.99 = 0.574425
7.5% of 9.99 = 0.74925

17p difference is it not?
#34
Shengis
5.75% of 9.99 = 0.574425
7.5% of 9.99 = 0.74925

17p difference is it not?


Maybe???

I think you'd save 10p on listing though wouldn't you? So 7p increase?

Sorry, my mistake. The fee example page on ebay just so happens to assume that you get a discount (but doesn't tell you which discount or let you see examples of fees without discounts!) (Worked it out, it's a 20% discount, they only show you examples of your fees if you get a discount which won't be for most people I guess!)
#35
Benjimoron
Maybe???

I think you'd save 10p on listing though wouldn't you? So 7p increase?


Yeah 7p lost overall. Let me do a real world calc and i'll get back to you ;-)
#36
harlzter
[url]www.bideasynow.com[/url] ................... and he seems to be doing well!


Thanks for that link, had a quick look, site looks nice and plenty of auctions, but didn't see a single item with a bid on it May be a good place to pick up a bargain (though no section for baby or toys which is what I mainly buy)

Edit: found the baby and toys - sub section of the everything else category!
#37
"Following the changes introduced in March 2007, we are not making any increases to Final Value Fees for products listed in the Technology categories"

^^^ This is good news though isn't it? I mainly sell in those categories so assuming I still get a discount then I should be laughing???

Didn't realise the fees weere much cheaper than other categories anyway:

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/fees.html

With a decent discount my fees could come down from about £6 an item to about £4!
#38
Ben, real world example. the father in law sells 'items' at £3000+ so...

Old.
Listing Fee : £2
FVF : £62.10

New.
Listing Fee : £1.30
FVF : £73.50

Not good.

(they basically screw you on the first £600, which is the area most sales fall into)
#39
Shengis
Ben, real world example. the father in law sells 'items' at £3000+ so...

Old.
Listing Fee : £2
FVF : £62.10

New.
Listing Fee : £1.30
FVF : £73.50

Not good.

(they basically screw you on the first £600, which is the area most sales fall into)



Have you taken a 20% discount off that? I think that would be fairly easy to achieve?
#40
What's this minimum 30-day 4.6 rating thing mean then? If you dip below it for 5 minutes because someone didn't like you then your 30 days start all over again and you don't get a discount that month? Is it based on only the last 30 days or just your average score for your whole time on ebay? I assume it's your average score?

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