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Ebay forcing FREE postage as of 15th June on certain categories

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#1
banned#2
you go on now, do a search and all you get is 'from hong kong' 'from china' etc, loads of people are avoiding like the plague for the majority of items, its just not worth the hassle anymore.
#3
H_K
you go on now, do a search and all you get is 'from hong kong' 'from china' etc, loads of people are avoiding like the plague for the majority of items, its just not worth the hassle anymore.


It's a joke, it really is.

You can offer higher postage rates as well, but who in their right mind is going to opt for £2 recorded when the onus is on the seller to get it to the buyer anyway?
#4
Quote:
"
How will this benefit me?
Shoppers are more likely to buy your items if the P&P is free, as buyers are increasingly used to seeing free P&P offered while shopping online."

It should read:

How will this benefit me?
It won't, But you have no choice. Ha ha. We've screwed you over yet again, Go Ebay!!!
#5
grex9101
It's a joke, it really is.

You can offer higher postage rates as well, but who in their right mind is going to opt for £2 recorded when the onus is on the seller to get it to the buyer anyway?


thats true, you would be better off sending it recorded if your the seller, I would send everything recorded on ebay, this is going to mess everything up! I'm glad I joined HUKD now!

buying and selling games is much easier on here :)
#6
tbh some people take the p iss a bit with postage tho chargin £3 to post one dvd 2nd class ect
banned#7
paz2k6
thats true, you would be better off sending it recorded if your the seller, I would send everything recorded on ebay, this is going to mess everything up! I'm glad I joined HUKD now!

buying and selling games is much easier on here :)


Unfortunately there are just still some things that sell better on ebay, which will keep it going. For example, in a couple of weeks when uni's done, i'll be selling a lot of makeup. Good stuff which barely had any interest on here, but on ebay it will sell for above RRP. Here, people tend to haggle, like a car boot, but ebay they get drawn into competitive bidding.

It will keep going, and I really don't agree with most of their principles but unfortunately I'll have to use them still myself.
#8
shosie
tbh some people take the p iss a bit with postage tho chargin £3 to post one dvd 2nd class ect


They've got you by the balls though, how much does your item now have to go for to just break even (factoring fvf, paypal etc?)

It's shocking, it really is.
banned#9
shosie
tbh some people take the p iss a bit with postage tho chargin £3 to post one dvd 2nd class ect


agreed, just speaking to my mum today, she's left a negative for a bloke who charged £1.80 postage and sent the item in an envelope with a 1st class stamp for 30 odd pence. it's not a lot of money but it does pee you off and taint the sale.
#10
H_K
agreed, just speaking to my mum today, she's left a negative for a bloke who charged £1.80 postage and sent the item in an envelope with a 1st class stamp for 30 odd pence. it's not a lot of money but it does pee you off and taint the sale.


A neg is a bit harsh, postage is(was) the only way to make a bit on ebay. £1.80 is slightly excessive, but not overly so.
#11
It should read:

How will this benefit me?
It wont, but you will no longer be able to screw people will exaggerated postal charges.
#12
deathtrap3000
It should read:

How will this benefit me?
It wont, but you will no longer be able to screw people will exaggerated postal charges.


I see the point.

Why not then limit each postage charge to a reasonable limit based on the average weight of the item?

To force people to offer FREE postage is just wrong imo.


This doesn't really affect me (although I used to sell a bit on there), I just don't like the direction it's heading in.
banned#13
grex9101
A neg is a bit harsh, postage is(was) the only way to make a bit on ebay. £1.80 is slightly excessive, but not overly so.


nah, the guy was an idiot, he'd also listed the item as brass when it was clearly lead or some other rubbish metal, wrote her phone number underneath the address and took days to send it.
The p and p wasnt the only bad thing.
#14
H_K
nah, the guy was an idiot, he'd also listed the item as brass when it was clearly lead or some other rubbish metal, wrote her phone number underneath the address and took days to send it.
The p and p wasnt the only bad thing.


Fair do's then :thumbsup:
#15
grex9101
They've got you by the balls though, how much does your item now have to go for to just break even (factoring fvf, paypal etc?)

It's shocking, it really is.


yeah i suppose so, thats why i dont list anything on there fees and it might sell for like £1
#16
grex9101
Quote:
"
How will this benefit me?
Shoppers are more likely to buy your items if the P&P is free, as buyers are increasingly used to seeing free P&P offered while shopping online."

It should read:

How will this benefit me?
It won't, But you have no choice. Ha ha. We've screwed you over yet again, Go Ebay!!!


Classic...

BTW Who the **** pay's for the padded envelope, bubblewrap and getting to the PO...

Not me i'll tell you.... Always been that way, always will ;)

maxmix
#17
grex9101
They've got you by the balls though, how much does your item now have to go for to just break even (factoring fvf, paypal etc?)

It's shocking, it really is.


I agree. Also a lot of sellers will now give the bare minimum in terms of P&P. Expect second class delivery and crappy packaging.
#18
maxmix
Classic...

BTW Who the **** pay's for the padded envelope, bubblewrap and getting to the PO...

Not me i'll tell you.... Always been that way, always will ;)

maxmix


I do. Years ago when I use to sell the odd video game on ebay I chose to buy the odd jiffy bag for 60p round my local post office and paid about an extra 80p for 1st class postage (as I always felt the need to provide quality P&P). Nowdays I buy my jiffy bags in bulk for 20p each but still offer 1st class postage asI believe many gamers prefer to pay extra to play a game sooner rather than later.
#19
Another issue. What if you accept returns on the item you sell? If someone returns an item then the seller losses P&P costs.
banned#20
ebay are a faceless brand, who produce these alerts and updates but no public face to man up to their changes. No change will ever come of moaning about them because theres no one there to hear except some punks in suits in a high rise office who dont know any different.

We could start on online riot, but nothing will change.
banned#21
they'll charge for using Auctivia or inputting images into your listing next.
#22
Mistaken
Another issue. What if you accept returns on the item you sell? If someone returns an item then the seller losses P&P costs.


Depends on the reason for return, but this is another good thing about the free p&p.
#23
Good? As a seller it is a really bad thing.

As a buyer you will probably find fewer sellers accepting returns.
#24
Mistaken
Good? As a seller it is a really bad thing.

As a buyer you will probably find fewer sellers accepting returns.


So, if a seller sends a dodgy product to someone and the buyer finds it doesnt work, the buyer has to cover all the postage costs?

Yeh defo a bad thing.

If it arives broke the seller should cover all costs of returning the item (assuming its the sellers fault ie not saying its broken or doesnt work).

If the buyer just doesn't want it no more than of course the buyer pays the return costs, and the buyer shouldn't refund the postage (well now they have no choice).
#25
And when the RM trash it and you cant prove it what happens then....

I'm ****** as a seller now.... I cant even list a bloody Swiss Army knife now and I sold them for 6 years +

maxmix
#26
deathtrap3000

If the buyer just doesn't want it no more than of course the buyer pays the return costs, and the buyer shouldn't refund the postage (well now they have no choice).


Yeah that bit that puts me off allowing returns because you can't deduct P&P costs off the item value. At the end of the day I guess this will only effect a relatively small amount of auctions but I hate it how ebay are forcing free P&P. Am I right in thinking that ebay currently don't take a % off the delivery value for costs?
banned#27
deathtrap3000
It should read:

How will this benefit me?
It wont, but you will no longer be able to screw people will exaggerated postal charges.


No, if you are a decent seller it should read

It won't, but you will no longer be able to offer postage discounts and save your buyers money.

I sell cosmetics on ebay, this isn't affected yet, but the same principle applies to anything.

I sell something for £2.99 + £1.49 postage. Actual postage cost is £1.28, 10p jiffy bag, 6p paypal fees = £1.44 so I make 5p profit on postage, well not really as there are other costs involved. However for additional items I charge 25p.
Most people buy 3 or 4 from me, so if someone buys 4 they pay £14.20, which breaks down to £3.55 each.
When I have to offer free postage, I will have to charge £4.49 each. So £17.96 for someone who buys 4.
Don't really see how that benefits anyone except ebay as they get extra paypal and fvf fees. It won't benefit me as people will only buy 1 at a time, and won't benefit the buyer as they lose the chance to get them cheaper.

You never get free postage as its either shown up front as an extra cost, or has to be factored into the selling price.
#28
grex9101
I see the point.

Why not then limit each postage charge to a reasonable limit based on the average weight of the item?

To force people to offer FREE postage is just wrong imo.


That's a better solution but ebay don't collect FVF on postage....... Quite right about HK, complete wind up. A while back ebay stopped showing uk listings on the com site as it was 'hurting domestic sales'. Erm, hello........ :lol:

Of course they now alllow uk listings on com, for a price (it used to be free...). That's the bottom line ebay profit, not the customer.
#29
This is outrageous! :x

So now it will be impossible to sell something in these catagories with no reserve or without a start price to cover at least the price to post the item!

Otherwise if you don't do either of these two things you could end up losing money for selling something :w00t:
#30
Some item especially from abroad charge 0.01 for the item them £158 p+p .As the fees are charged on the actual price not p+p EBAY MAKE MORE MONEY thats the whole point of it!!!!!!

EBAY ARE GREEDY
#31
H_K
agreed, just speaking to my mum today, she's left a negative for a bloke who charged £1.80 postage and sent the item in an envelope with a 1st class stamp for 30 odd pence. it's not a lot of money but it does pee you off and taint the sale.

How much was the item? May eBay vendors charge almost nothing for the item but a hefty price for postage because they have to pay eBay commission on the item price but not on the postage. She should look at what she had to pay overall for the item. If the total spend was reasonable, her negative feedback was mean and unfounded.
#32
I don't think it makes much difference, I always factor in the shipping cost when placing a bid, everyone sets a budget. And as for fee's...

Example :)

Seller A £10 + free shipping
Seller B £8 + £2 shipping

If the final value fee was 10% (which isn't charged on shipping) Seller A would be facing a MASSIVE 20p more in fees compared to Seller B.

Even on something which would be expensive to ship, if free shipping was compulsory, you'd only be facing £1 or £2 extra anyway.

Ebay aren't running the site for fun, they want to make money, and they're doing a great job
banned#33
ctuk

Ebay aren't running the site for fun, they want to make money, and they're doing a great job


Not really considering their profits are falling.
#34
colinsunderland;5178356
Not really considering their profits are falling.

they're trying to do something about it then, and there's quite a large difference between falling profits and losing money
#35
tinkerbell28
It was not a dvd, some kind of "brass" item, although I agree with the fact the whole cost should be taken into account and on the face of it the neg was out of order, really.
Sorry about the DVD reference. I edited my reply to remove it .. I have no idea where the DVD bit came from.

I think people need to see this from eBay's point of view. Many offerings with Buy It Now have a derisory £1 price and a huge number for postage. That reduces their income enormously and they aren't a charity.

Why do the Inland Revenue charge VAT on postage an packing? For exactly that reason, otherwise Jessops would be selling digital cameras for £1 with £450 postage and packing :)

The only alternative eBay have is to charge commission on postage, and that would create an even bigger outcry.
banned#36
i sell a lot on ebay, but none of my items fall into those categories.
I always put a reasonable high postage,
as for :
1) The packaging itself costs money
2) time and effort to bag it up, i make sure it is bagged up presentable.
3) When im selling if i can get the postage to cover my neck if the item only goes for 99p and paid £2, but charge £4 postage, youve perhaps just squeezed a profit.

but when you do put higher postage costs, your item may not sell for as much the ending price.

Its all swings and roundabouts, the higher postage just covers the seller.

EDIT:
At the end of the day if people when when youve charged £4/5 for post a t shirt, then why bid? Before bidding they would know it isn't going to cost that to post. Then they leave you neg/neutral feedback. You enter a contract upon winning an auction with ebay, if you dont like the terms you dont buy/bid simples.
#37
ctuk
they're trying to do something about it then, and there's quite a large difference between falling profits and losing money
So if you were running a company and your income was falling, you'd do nothing to correct that until you started to 'go negative' and lose money?

I think not, Sir. ;-)
#38
Afterburner;5178430
So if you were running a company and your income was falling, you'd do nothing to correct that until you started to 'go negative' and lose money?

I think not, Sir. ;-)

did you even read what I wrote?
banned#39
ctuk
they're trying to do something about it then, and there's quite a large difference between falling profits and losing money


I don't think there is

If I made £10000 profit last year from ebay sales, then this I make £5000 I personally would say I lost money over last year.

Their profits only started falling when they started changing the way the site was run, best match, enforced free postage, no negs from sellers. They want to make money, put the things back to normal that people hate (specifically best match as I've hardly seen a good comment about that) and fix the things that need fixing.
#40
Computing:
Books & Manuals

Photography:
Books, Manuals, & Magazines




This is complete bull. For those of you that aren't geeks or photographers, Amazon's most popular A+ Certification book has some 1200 pages, each measuring some 23cm high by 19cm wide, in a book that's 6cm deep. I used to have one, and it weighed several kilos, making it minimum of £5 to send via Standard Parcel, iirc. The first result to come up when you search for SLR photography is about 1/4th the weight, which is still going to cost you a few quid to post, even before you factor in packaging.

There's going to be some very unhappy students soon.

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