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8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
About three weeks ago I was looking on ebay for a Wii Remote, hoping to get one for cheaper than in the shops. I came across a Wii Remote/Nunchuck combo from a Hong Kong seller. Now I've always been wary of these fellas but his feedback for Wii/PS3 controllers is pretty impressive so I decided to go for it. I ended up winning the item for £31.50 (£12.51 + £18.99 p+p - I know this is excessive p+p but it's still cheaper than the shops and avoids customs charges). The delivery is estimated at 5-12 business days and last Friday (29th) was the 12th business day so I emailed the seller to say that it hadn't arrived. The next day I checked my email to find two emails: one from him to say that it must have been held at customs, he would refund me the full amount and that if the product arrived would I be so kind and honest to send the money back to him, also begging me not to leave bad feedback. The other email was a reciept from Paypal to say that the full amount had been refunded and was on it's way back to my credit card. At first I was delighted and suprised by his honesty but after thinking about it I'm very suspicious of his original intentions. Similar items normally sell for about £20.00 + same p+p so I think that he had no intention on selling me the items at this price and took my money with the intention of using some excuse to refund me and make him appear as a good and honest seller.

Obviously this is purely suspicion but his actions support my belief. Has anyone else encountered anything like this before? Should I leave negative feedback? Also, I used a Euro credit card to pay with so I had to pay to transfer from EUR to GPB and then automatically charged for the refund back to EUR, it's not a lot but I'm still technically out of pocket. I'm just interested what other peoples' take on this is and whether anyone thinks I should take any further steps.
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8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
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#1
depends sounds like you will just get it back, has he left feedback for you?
1 Like #2
No, you dealt with an honest seller who was good enough to refund your money. Doesn't sound like there's anything suspicious about this at all.

Many ebay sellers would just tell you that it's hard luck if your item doesn't arrive and it's not their fault, and in many respects they would be correct to state that, if you didn't pay for postage insurance.

I buy stuff from HK on a weekly basis and, by and large, am treated with honour and respect. It's very much a British thing to be suspicious of 'foreigners' and I'd go so far as to say that every HK vendor that I've bought from has provided infinitely better support than 90% of any ebayer you are likely to meet.

Send your ebayer a nice email thanking him for refunding you and give him good feedback.
#3
He promptly refunded you, why would leave bad feedback?

You have no proof of your allegations.
#4
He hasn't left feedback, he probably will if I do but I very rarely sell anything so I wouldn't really be bothered if he left a retaliatory negative. The money's already back on my card but it's annoying that he could've done this on purpose and I've been waiting vainly in anticipation for my controllers.
#5
thesaint
He promptly refunded you, why would leave bad feedback?

You have no proof of your allegations.


It just seems strange that he refunded the money so quickly without me requesting it, I just asked him to look into what's happened. Most ebayers wouldn't do this and then trust that I resend the money if the items arrives, as said above, they would tell me to get stuffed, I just can't help but think that he had no intention of sending the items from the start, this would be the reason for bad feedback. Maybe I'm just looking at it from a western "trust no-one" point-of-view, I can't say I'm suspicious of foreigners (I am one), just people.
#6
Wobbud
It just seems strange that he refunded the money so quickly without me requesting it, I just asked him to look into what's happened. Most ebayers wouldn't do this and then trust that I resend the money if the items arrives, as said above, they would tell me to get stuffed, I just can't help but think that he had no intention of sending the items from the start, this would be the reason for bad feedback. Maybe I'm just looking at it from a western "trust no-one" point-of-view, I can't say I'm suspicious of foreigners (I am one), just people.


I once refunded a buyer postage costs after RM cocked up, I did this without being asked.
If i'd received a negative feedback for being a decent ebayer I would've been mighty pissed.
banned#7
thekanester
No, you dealt with an honest seller who was good enough to refund your money. Doesn't sound like there's anything suspicious about this at all.

Many ebay sellers would just tell you that it's hard luck if your item doesn't arrive and it's not their fault, and in many respects they would be correct to state that, if you didn't pay for postage insurance..


Why would they be correct in saying that?

To the OP, why on earth would you leave a neg when you got a refund? Why would the seller do all this just to refund you if he wasn't going to send the goods?
#8
thesaint
I once refunded a buyer postage costs after RM cocked up, I did this without being asked.
If i'd received a negative feedback for being a decent ebayer I would've been mighty pissed.


I can appreciate that and if the seller is genuine then I applaud him, it's just that this is a rarity in ebay.
#9
colinsunderland
Why would they be correct in saying that?

To the OP, why on earth would you leave a neg when you got a refund? Why would the seller do all this just to refund you if he wasn't going to send the goods?


They could do this if the auction didn't reach the price they thought was acceptable. :)
#10
colinsunderland
Why would they be correct in saying that?

To the OP, why on earth would you leave a neg when you got a refund? Why would the seller do all this just to refund you if he wasn't going to send the goods?


Because if he told me that he had no intention of sending the items then he would be breaking the contract of sale and therefore would receive negative feedback but by taking the money and refunding he avoids this, especially as he begged me not to leave a neg.
banned#11
never thought of that!
Best bet check his feedback and see what others have said. They do seem to be selling for about £35 on BIN so it seems a lot of hassle for a few quid
#12
Wobbud
Because if he told me that he had no intention of sending the items then he would be breaking the contract of sale and therefore would receive negative feedback but by taking the money and refunding he avoids this, especially as he begged me not to leave a neg.


you are just speculating. And i expect you are almost impossible to please.
#13
shanecr
you are just speculating. And i expect you are almost impossible to please.


Not impossible to please, just not so ready to accept any ebay **** as a lot of people are. I've got my money back, I'm happy about that, I'm just asking for views and opinions.
#14
Wobbud
I can appreciate that and if the seller is genuine then I applaud him, it's just that this is a rarity in ebay.


There are still some decent sellers on eBay.

As for feedback, don't forget you have the option to leave a Neutral.

Also, although you got an e-mail from PayPal about the refund, did you check your actual PayPal account?
#15
i think you need to get a life and stop being so suspicious. you got your money back did get your fingers burnt.
move on
jennie
#16
jennie-jack
i think you need to get a life and stop being so suspicious. you got your money back did get your fingers burnt.
move on
jennie


Very helpful, cheers! :roll:

There are a lot of non-suspicious people on here, ergo so many scams, why is it so difficult to think that there might be the slightest possibility that the seller isn't all he seems? Do you know him? Didn't think so. People pulling out of sales because they didn't reach the target isn't all too unknown you know, educate yourself a bit before leaving ridiculous comments like that.
#17
forget it and move on
#18
if he has sold more of these, could n't he just send another one??
#19
marialouise314
if he has sold more of these, could n't he just send another one??


I've actually just sent an email to ask him if he's willing to send another so I'll wait for his reply.
#20
Leave + feedback. you have suspicians but nothing to prove them the seller has given you a full refund and you are not out of pocket not fair to leave - feedback on a hunch
#21
marialouise314
if he has sold more of these, could n't he just send another one??


He could, but only if the buyer was willing to wait another 2/3 weeks,
#22
I realise that it's purely suspicion and I didn't intend of leaving a neg, was just asking if anyone thought I should or had grounds to do so, a neutral would suffice.
1 Like #23
If this kind of thing has happened with this trader in the past, there would be no doubt others that would have recorded these facts on their feedback whether + or -.
Another point, if this is a serious trader of several 000's of feedback ratings, it is very unlikely that they would interrogate every sale that passes through their business, in fact where there is the odd 'bargain' recorded in the feedback, in the short term, this encourages other prospective purchasers to 'try' and match or near match that bargain, so I would say that your suspicions may be unfounded.
If your money is refunded, leave a + feedback stating goods not received but promptly refunded and buy elswhere, shrug your shoulders and dismiss the incident as a everyday obstacle and move on. :whistling:
#24
something similar happened to me recently. I bought a ds lite from ebay but then 2 days later got told theat flooding had caused water damage. But the seller refunded immediately. I think ya should just put him down to being a good ebayer
#25
Hillzat43

If your money is refunded, leave a + feedback stating goods not received but promptly refunded and buy elswhere, shrug your shoulders and dismiss the incident as a everyday obstacle and move on. :whistling:


Something tells me that this is the last thing that will happen.
#26
thesaint
Something tells me that this is the last thing that will happen.


Considering a few people are blasting me for having the audacity to project my own opinion regarding the seller's intentions there are a lot of opinionated posts directed at me...hypocrisy at it's finest. :whistling:
#27
Wobbud
Considering a few people are blasting me for having the audacity to project my own opinion regarding the seller's intentions there are a lot of opinionated posts directed at me...hypocrisy at it's finest. :whistling:


you can have your own opinion but if you get a refund then be happy with it. Maybe dont leave feedback if its gonna annoy you :thumbsup:
#28
Wobbud
Considering a few people are blasting me for having the audacity to project my own opinion regarding the seller's intentions there are a lot of opinionated posts directed at me...hypocrisy at it's finest. :whistling:


I don't think anyone is blasting you for having your opinion, just the thought of leaving anything less than a postive for feedback.

You have zero proof, and are now on a search to fabricate some to suit your story.


Move on.
#29
thesaint
I don't think anyone is blasting you for having your opinion, just the thought of leaving anything less than a postive for feedback.

You have zero proof, and are now on a search to fabricate some to suit your story.


Move on.


And what exactly have I fabricated? I stated in the first post that it was purely suspicion, it's just amazing how people are so willing to accept everything they are told on here without question. I thought that if maybe someone had actually experienced something similar then my suspicions may have grounds.
#30
thekanester
No, you dealt with an honest seller who was good enough to refund your money. Doesn't sound like there's anything suspicious about this at all.

Many ebay sellers would just tell you that it's hard luck if your item doesn't arrive and it's not their fault, and in many respects they would be correct to state that, if you didn't pay for postage insurance.

I buy stuff from HK on a weekly basis and, by and large, am treated with honour and respect. It's very much a British thing to be suspicious of 'foreigners' and I'd go so far as to say that every HK vendor that I've bought from has provided infinitely better support than 90% of any ebayer you are likely to meet.

Send your ebayer a nice email thanking him for refunding you and give him good feedback.
#31
Anyway, I'll wait for a reply from the seller about sending another item, I can't waste anymore time on here, got work to do, cheers to those that actually contributed helpful or informative posts, unfortunately they were few and far between. To everyone that gets scammed on a regular basis both here and on ebay: I'm sure they didn't mean to take your money and run, they'll all good people really, please forgive them and don't dare mention it on here as it might offend.
#32
I agree the only problems that I have had on ebay have been from UK sellers. I have used sellers from Hong Kong a lot and they have always been fantastic, very friendly, respectful and helpful. I ordered a phone from one recently and it arrived in four days - quicker delivery than some UK sellers. I don't think there is anything to be suspicious about! Sorry this was meant to be paired with the quote above - I don't know what I did wrong!!!
#33
Wobbud
And what exactly have I fabricated? I stated in the first post that it was purely suspicion, it's just amazing how people are so willing to accept everything they are told on here without question. I thought that if maybe someone had actually experienced something similar then my suspicions may have grounds.


I believe that if the seller is unable to send you another, then this will be the(Fabricated) "Proof" you need to prove your story and justify a negative feedback.

Wobbud
Anyway, I'll wait for a reply from the seller about sending another item, I can't waste anymore time on here, got work to do, cheers to those that actually contributed helpful or informative posts, unfortunately they were few and far between. To everyone that gets scammed on a regular basis both here and on ebay: I'm sure they didn't mean to take your money and run, they'll all good people really, please forgive them and don't dare mention it on here as it might offend.


You got scammed? I thought you got a full and speedy refund without needing to ask. :?
#34
To everyone that gets scammed on a regular basis both here and on ebay: I'm sure they didn't mean to take your money and run, they'll all good people really, please forgive them and don't dare mention it on here as it might offend.


Drama queen!!!! you asked for our opinions and we gave them not our fault if you don't agree
#35
Wow get over it, your money is back and for whatever reason that is you shouldnt give the fella bad f/b as he has refunded you!!! ridiculous speculation is all you got!!!!
banned#36
Wobbud
Anyway, I'll wait for a reply from the seller about sending another item, I can't waste anymore time on here, got work to do, cheers to those that actually contributed helpful or informative posts, unfortunately they were few and far between. To everyone that gets scammed on a regular basis both here and on ebay: I'm sure they didn't mean to take your money and run, they'll all good people really, please forgive them and don't dare mention it on here as it might offend.


Well obviously leave a neg if you got scammed, but you seem to have missed that part out of your posts so far
#37
scam! scam! scam!!!

this happens a lot on ebay especially with the perfume sellers - the ones selling fake gear. Although the stuff does arrive, they tell you that they had no idea that it was fake and please please please not to leave negative feedback.
#38
goboff
scam! scam! scam!!!

this happens a lot on ebay especially with the perfume sellers - the ones selling fake gear. Although the stuff does arrive, they tell you that they had no idea that it was fake and please please please not to leave negative feedback.


Welcome tu HUKD goboff. :)

In this case the item was not a fake, and it didn't arrive, but apart from that, spot on. :)
[helper]#39
thekanester
Many ebay sellers would just tell you that it's hard luck if your item doesn't arrive and it's not their fault, and in many respects they would be correct to state that, if you didn't pay for postage insurance.


From previous comments on here (Dino) I thought that in these sort of instances as the seller could not provide any proof the item had been received Paypal usually sided with the buyer........ and basically sellers are flounting Paypal rules when they say they aren't responsible if it goes missing in the post. Can anyone else confirm this?
#40
You are right if an item doesn't arrive and a paypal claim is put in the seller has to prove the item was posted. Also 1st class mail is automatically insured as long as you get the proof of postage

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