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Ebay Problem - Scam

khy86 Avatar
5y, 9m agoPosted 5 years, 9 months ago
Right so i might get a bit of stick for this but here goes. Looking for serious advice and its a genuine scam that has caught many people out.

So i bought a voucher on ebay for £165, paid via paypal funds. Nothing received and the seller has now got loads of negs scamming other people.

Worst things worst, ebay does not cover this...what to do?

Sellers contact info only lists name and telephone number. No address. GRRRRR!!!
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5y, 9m agoPosted 5 years, 9 months ago
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#1
yer ebay have never protected against vouchers phone top up etc.

Contact the police would be my only advice to you as ebay/paypal obviously wont help as its against their protection policy
#2
argh, wish i knew that, over 4 years of using ebay and never knew that. FFS
#3
khy86
argh, wish i knew that, over 4 years of using ebay and never knew that. FFS


I only found out as i think another member on here ages ago got stung for it, i still buy phone top ups on ebay as they are only like £6/7 so worth the risk if it backfires.

Sadly seems you have been stung terribly, don't get why ebay allow the listing but don't protect against fraud. Contact the police i say as it is fraud
#4
I had this before, truely crap that they don't cover vouchers. If you bought a John Lewis lamp worth £20 you would be covered but if you buy a John Lewis voucher worth £20 you aren't.
I was lucky enough that the voucher turned up a month after winning th auction but paypal wouldn't open a dispute, saying I wasn't eligible for the dispute service.
Not sure what you can do, maybe phone paypal and see if they can set up a dispute for you, or if you paid by credit card or visa debit maybe you can do a chargeback?
#5
how i wish now i paid via credit card but i didn't. My only argument with them now is that as i paid postage, no tracking number has been provided so i should be allowed to claim.

Also no idea why his address details are not visible on the site. Looks like the sellers got away with £1000's risk free :(
#6
Has the seller bought anything recently?
I would look at their feedback and message the sellers of their recent purchases, explain the situation and ask if they can message you the contact details (name and address) of who and where they sent their item to.

Edited By: sickly sweet on Mar 03, 2011 23:49
#7
Whats his user ID?
#8
thecrazypricestore

will contact the other seller
suspended#9
was it a visa debit
suspended#10
khy86
thecrazypricestorewill contact the other seller

looks like a good member gone bad but they have brought from people they will have there address as previously said message them asking nicely for his details
#11
chris3349
was it a visa debit


It's a debit card, so linked to your bank account and powered by Visa (rather than matercard or maestro) who process the payments and you get a certain amount of cover for purchases like you do with a credit card.

Edit: this is an example of a visa debit card
http://img269.imageshack.us/i/rbs001.png/


Edited By: sickly sweet on Mar 04, 2011 00:13
#12
I've had this before with an Amazon voucher. Phone up Paypal and explain the situation and tell them you are unable to open a dispute. The guy I spoke to put one in manually and I got a refund.
#13
yup just checked, i definitely paid by paypal balance so not covered by the bank. First thing in the morning will call up paypal and see if they will open something, otherwise to the police it is.
banned#14
khy86
yup just checked, i definitely paid by paypal balance so not covered by the bank. First thing in the morning will call up paypal and see if they will open something, otherwise to the police it is.


Police > civil matter > cya.

most of the time anyway.
suspended#15
Thing is they were selling clothes and things to build their feedback up and then sell tens of vouchers within a couple of days so that by the time the first bad feedback shows up they have already stolen thousands.

I would suggest if buy vouchers from ebay, buy from someone who has a history of selling them, even then its risky. and the saving is not worth the risk of buying them.

Sorry for you mate, like others have suggested phone the police. Get in contact with the other victims and see if there is any information you can each add to it.

The police will take more notice if you all go.
suspended#16
DangerGod
khy86
yup just checked, i definitely paid by paypal balance so not covered by the bank. First thing in the morning will call up paypal and see if they will open something, otherwise to the police it is.


Police > civil matter > cya.

most of the time anyway.


No mate its not. the guy/gal has sold about 20 of these and no one has got one. Its a clear cut case of obtaining money by deception
banned#17
jonny619447
DangerGod
khy86
yup just checked, i definitely paid by paypal balance so not covered by the bank. First thing in the morning will call up paypal and see if they will open something, otherwise to the police it is.


Police > civil matter > cya.

most of the time anyway.


No mate its not. the guy/gal has sold about 20 of these and no one has got one. Its a clear cut case of obtaining money by deception


if you go into a police station and say you bought an item off ebay but never recieved it, they will say its a civil matter. Atleast, thats what ive read several time on here from people who have done it.
suspended#18
They are all stock photo's! oO

Oh dear, must of seen them all coming
suspended#19
DangerGod
jonny619447
DangerGod
khy86
yup just checked, i definitely paid by paypal balance so not covered by the bank. First thing in the morning will call up paypal and see if they will open something, otherwise to the police it is.


Police > civil matter > cya.

most of the time anyway.


No mate its not. the guy/gal has sold about 20 of these and no one has got one. Its a clear cut case of obtaining money by deception


if you go into a police station and say you bought an item off ebay but never recieved it, they will say its a civil matter. Atleast, thats what ive read several time on here from people who have done it.


Yes, but the fact that they sold little items and then within 2 days sold 12 vouchers that don't exist (could be more yet to leave feedback)

At a rough estimate they have run off with £2000+. This is an obvious case of fraud.

1 vouvher doesn't turn up then fine, I understand what you are saying. But it is obvous these people have set out to obtain this money by decieving people.
#20
im going to call the police in the morning and will say that this guy has scammed multiple people out of £000's, last i checked this is fraud which is a police matter.

I really hope i am right in this
banned#21
Yeah i agree totally, just saying if the op wanders in and puts his case forward he will get turned away. he needs the others to do the same.
suspended#22
khy86
im going to call the police in the morning and will say that this guy has scammed multiple people out of £000's, last i checked this is fraud which is a police matter.

I really hope i am right in this


OP, print out a copy of the feedback so they can see the scale of the operation. Leave it to the morning because there could be tens more victims!

Message the other victims and tell them to do the same. Explain to the copper that the other people are going to their police stations.

DangerGod
Yeah i agree totally, just saying if the op wanders in and puts his case forward he will get turned away. he needs the others to do the same.


Yup thats what I said in an earlier post.


Edited By: jonny619447 on Mar 04, 2011 00:50
banned#23
khy86
im going to call the police in the morning and will say that this guy has scammed multiple people out of £000's, last i checked this is fraud which is a police matter.

I really hope i am right in this


Good luck, hope you somehow get a refund.

Lets be honest though, even if this person is tracked down whats likely to happen to them? a slap on the wrist a small fine and community service (maybe). You can see why people do it.

A story in my paper the other day a woman had obtained something like 3grand out of a woman she was caring for over several years. 180hours unpaid work and £500 fine. pah!
suspended#24
DangerGod
khy86
im going to call the police in the morning and will say that this guy has scammed multiple people out of £000's, last i checked this is fraud which is a police matter.

I really hope i am right in this


Good luck, hope you somehow get a refund.

Lets be honest though, even if this person is tracked down whats likely to happen to them? a slap on the wrist a small fine and community service (maybe). You can see why people do it.

A story in my paper the other day a woman had obtained something like 3grand out of a woman she was caring for over several years. 180hours unpaid work and £500 fine. pah!


Yup its pathetic mate, Might ring the sun and tell them about my 11 quid. (_;)

Edited By: jonny619447 on Mar 04, 2011 00:53
banned#25
knowing them, you've probably got a story.
suspended#26
DangerGod
knowing them, you've probably got a story.


Haha, yeah
suspended#27
Some guy has lost the best part of £500 in this scam. Ouch.

They didn't start off to scam, if thats any consolation (probably not). Their feedback goes back 6 years. If they meant to scam from the start they would have built up good feedback over a month or two.

Thing is if they are thick, (which they probably are) they would have done all this from their home computer and Paypal will have their IP address which the police can use to track them down.
banned#29
khy86
how i wish now i paid via credit card but i didn't. My only argument with them now is that as i paid postage, no tracking number has been provided so i should be allowed to claim.

Also no idea why his address details are not visible on the site. Looks like the sellers got away with £1000's risk free :(

wont make any difference as its still a voucher
1 Like #30
why not ask one of the guys that sold something to the scammer for his/her address ?

Edited By: VeryVery on Mar 04, 2011 05:51
#31
jonny619447
DangerGod
khy86
yup just checked, i definitely paid by paypal balance so not covered by the bank. First thing in the morning will call up paypal and see if they will open something, otherwise to the police it is.


Police > civil matter > cya.

most of the time anyway.


No mate its not. the guy/gal has sold about 20 of these and no one has got one. Its a clear cut case of obtaining money by deception


get real......the police wont want to know.

full stop
#32
jonny619447
Some guy has lost the best part of £500 in this scam. Ouch.

They didn't start off to scam, if thats any consolation (probably not). Their feedback goes back 6 years. If they meant to scam from the start they would have built up good feedback over a month or two.

Thing is if they are thick, (which they probably are) they would have done all this from their home computer and Paypal will have their IP address which the police can use to track them down.


show me 1 example of police "tracking down" an ebay seller by their ip address
#33
for the record ive had several refunds on vouchers
#34
The seller may well have had their account hacked if it's been used for 6 years with no problems. Bear that in mind when you contact old transactions.

Sorry you have lost money, like someone said, phone Paypal, see if they will help. I've also read that the police saying it's a civil matter is a fob off, you have to stand your ground and make them act upon a fraud.

Good luck xx
#35
The seller may well have had their account hacked if it's been used for 6 years with no problems. Bear that in mind when you contact old transactions.


this happened to me, over the period of about a week i got several negative feedbacks for not sending out psps, ps3s, ugg boots and a few other random things. guy has been on there for 6 years, could just have been hacked
#36
police won't do anything for a civil matter
#37
ALL of their feedback is for buying - apart from the recent negatives for the vouchers.

Also the feedback left for others, the 1 feedback left by the seller for a buyer who bought a £200 gfitcard, the account that 'bought' it only has 1 feedback.

I reckon they've been hacked.
#38
Surely if they have been hacked it will be alot more difficult to trace, which makes life worst. Anyway called up paypal who didn't give two hoots and just said its not covered fullstop and they will only deal with police.

Have now contacted the police and have taken my details, no crime report put forward yet but they will call me back. Have also contacted the ebay buyers telling them to do the same, only to find out i can only send 3 ebay messages per day.
suspended#39
casparwhite
jonny619447
Some guy has lost the best part of £500 in this scam. Ouch.

They didn't start off to scam, if thats any consolation (probably not). Their feedback goes back 6 years. If they meant to scam from the start they would have built up good feedback over a month or two.

Thing is if they are thick, (which they probably are) they would have done all this from their home computer and Paypal will have their IP address which the police can use to track them down.


show me 1 example of police "tracking down" an ebay seller by their ip address


How am I going to have an example of that??

Of course it can be done. The police will try and track this guy down, just look at this guys feedback to see that he has decieved thousands out of people.

This is a crminal matter without a shadow of doubt.
#40
where does it say gift cards arent covered by paypal anyway?

its only intangible items which arent covered as far as im aware

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