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Ebay scam! "Let me pick up item from your house!"

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4y, 7m agoPosted 4 years, 7 months ago
Hi guys,

Thought I'd share another scam that was tried on me!

Ok this time I was selling an item on ebay. Someone won/bought the item and paid using their Paypal account.

I decided to help myself by checking the monies are in there and transfer to bacs account straight away.

So far everything was all good and I was chuffed.

After a bit looking carefully I noticed there was a message sent to me by the buyer within ebay saying that they needed to collect the item and that they were travelling in a couple of hours and couldn't be at their home address in time for the parcel etc.

I also found the same message in Paypal account next to the transaction in the form of a little notepad icon.

So this dude (probably Rantilla's cousin) decides to call me the same day and tell me he's going to 'Spain' in a couple of hours or so and needed to pick up his newly won/bought item asap instead of me sending it to his 'Paypal Confirmed' address.

He said that he'd send some friend down to collect it in about half an hour and I just needed to give him my address. <---(I think this was the thing he needed most!)

Oh and, "I'll give him a password to say to you, so you know it's him and not anyone else?"

Anyway, as I already knew that if I had given him the item I wouldn't have been covered by Paypal, I refused and said I'd only send it to the Paypal confirmed address... He couldn't even tell me that address but instead only the one he had messaged me through ebay and Paypal.
He even tried asking me for his own correct address... like I was going to give him it? He really sounded desperate then.

"Oh, Paypal will cover you if I send some ID with my friend?"

"Just give me your address yeah and I promise you I give you a positive feedback straight away"

Anyway, no, was the answer that he got, to which he quickly said, " No worries I'll find another way to bum you! And dropped the call.

I called him back and there were a few of them talking mumbo jumbo and one said,

"...I'm the biggest fraudster... We do this x amount of times a day." "You're lucky... If you had given your address, we would have dun ya!"

They also said lots of other garbage too and then cut the line.

Aaanyway, they didn't make anything off me. Instead they got me to write this up about the their attempted fraud.

It seems as though the fraudsters some how hacked into the buyers ebay and Paypal account? Were able to buy and pay for the item but didn't know some of the buyers details.

Also I think they were able to ask ebay or paypal for some of my contact details as they were seemingly buying. I think it was something like this as I had an email from paypal or ebay saying that the buyer had requested it. They managed to get my name and telephone number but no address and nothing else.

I hope nobody falls for these stupid tricks.

Lastly to these fraudsters... What goes around, comes around.

I really sensed how proud you were of being a fraudster. Yeah, I real big thief. How can you be proud of someone elses hard earned and rightful cash?!

Ask yourself would you like it if someone did that you? Or your mom, dad and children etc?

Do you think they'd be proud of you?!

Do you not have the intelligence to earn your own money?

There's one thing doing it (which is still wrong) and feeling it some sort of necessity. But you seemed so proud of your filthy degrading crimes! Dude (and your cronies)... You're all low!

I could probably carry on but over to you guys.
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4y, 7m agoPosted 4 years, 7 months ago
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7 Likes #1
Personally, I don't believe a word of what you said.

If you PM me your mothers maiden name i may change my mind :{
#2
Nasty! I hope they get theres!
1 Like #3
mrman007
Nasty! I hope they get theres!


:|


You hope they cant spell?
#4
Cool story bro'.
#5
"Dude" ?
#6
Bully
"Dude" ?


Yeah I know... I don't really want to call him a guy... Dude will do.
#7
epicvibe321
Personally, I don't believe a word of what you said.

If you PM me your mothers maiden name i may change my mind :{


If I PM'd you every detail I had. I don't think you'd be able to do anything. Just believe! It's easy.
2 Likes #8
epicvibe321
mrman007
Nasty! I hope they get theres!


:|


You hope they cant spell?


I'm not saying I'm perfect but cant? It would've been better to have written can't if you were going to correct someone. Write?
2 Likes #9
aaah the UK the world capital of fraud.
#10
Ummmm
What's that smell??
banned#11
I trust you reported them to ebay and paypal
#12
or pass details onto Police as you had his mobile number . . .
#13
Happened to my misses this week, wasnt in the NW was it ?

Little **** took a pram & travel system, Paypal payment is still being investigated, but will no doubt be refunded.

Both numbers I have are either dead or go to answering machine, I'll destroy the little **** if I ever do find out where he lives.
#14
epicvibe321
mrman007
Nasty! I hope they get theres!


:|


You hope they cant spell?


*Can't
banned#15
Mom?
1 Like #16
NEVER accept PayPal as a payment method if somebody is collecting the item(s) from you in person unless you obtain some signed proof of the transfer of ownership.

Without proof of collection, the buyer can claim non-receipt of goods & their payment will be returned to them by PayPal. Your PayPal account will then be debited for that amount or suspended if insufficient funds are available.

Also see: [ http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/how-pay-for-purchases-safely-using-bank-transfer-cheques-908016?p=10945315 ]

BFN,

fp.
#17
dga
Sounds like a load of BS to me. If the eBay messaging system was used by the winning and paying bidder then the address details of the account would be visible to the "scammer".


Not necessarily.

You are assuming that they are logging into the users account knowing that users password. Chances are they are accessing from a temporary state login, they may not even be using a web browser.
#18
dga
Sounds like a load of BS to me. If the eBay messaging system was used by the winning and paying bidder then the address details of the account would be visible to the "scammer".

So some guy wanted to collect and you didn't want to give your home address, you bailed out and he got annoyed?

This is what I was thinking.
The scammer pays by paypal & so he can check the real buyers address details in "Profile,My Details".
#19
WheresMeNuts
The scammer pays by paypal & so he can check the real buyers address details in "Profile,My Details".


Seriously, you think they are using Firefox to do this or something?
#20
PhearFactor
dga
Sounds like a load of BS to me. If the eBay messaging system was used by the winning and paying bidder then the address details of the account would be visible to the "scammer".


Not necessarily.

You are assuming that they are logging into the users account knowing that users password. Chances are they are accessing from a temporary state login, they may not even be using a web browser.

To make a PP payment you would need the real buyers email address & password & those details also give you the access to the real buyers address.
#21
Do you know how computers work?
#22
PhearFactor
WheresMeNuts
The scammer pays by paypal & so he can check the real buyers address details in "Profile,My Details".


Seriously, you think they are using Firefox to do this or something?

Even with a Smart phone you need these details.
If you have another way then tell us ?
#23
It is all done using software designed for that specific thing.

It is the same for aim bots that people use on computer games, it is a standalone application that does the hax0rz.
#24
PhearFactor
It is all done using software designed for that specific thing.

It is the same for aim bots that people use on computer games, it is a standalone application that does the hax0rz.

So they will just take a ebay username & then let the software run for hours until it finds the password ?
Once it does this it then has to find the PP details as well ?

Sounds like 2050 software to me :-/
suspended#25
Fake address... :D
#26
WheresMeNuts
So they will just take a ebay username & then let the software run for hours until it finds the password ? Once it does this it then has to find the PP details as well ? Sounds like 2050 software to me :-/


I suppose they could do that. I am thinking more along the lines of using a public computer and the trace data being left behind. So they don't actually know any details, but they have a computer that has logged into that account previously that maybe was using software at the time that was flawed (so they don't know the actual details but they have a piece of software that has them stored and capable of using those details in an encrypted format). Or they have a backdoor into that persons computer and could set up some sort of live mirroring.

I doubt anyone doing this would not be running some sort of proxy, if they aren't, obviously they are complete tools. If they have got enough information as to work out how to protect their identities via a proxy I would assume they are far more capable of thinking outside of the box than me about hacking and so on.


Edited By: PhearFactor on Apr 06, 2012 09:50
#27
Maybe it was all a double bluff, the actual account holder was the scammer but wanted to appear as if he was a hacker.
#28
I never accept payment by PayPal if they are coming to collect the item, only cash.

I was selling an item on eBay quite a while back (I think it was a HP Touchpad) and they called me up asking if they could collect and pay by PayPal (they did sound genuine and I think they wanted to use PayPal for their protection but I point blank refused to accept PayPal - they said they would call back, they never did.... :D
#29
http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2012/2/29/942eb7b0-592e-4854-950f-ca55c8e6f7a7.jpg
#30
PhearFactor
Maybe it was all a double bluff, the actual account holder was the scammer but wanted to appear as if he was a hacker.

This is what mostly happens,but both Bank & PP will not report it to the police & I know this from my experience & so police can't act.
I'm still not sure how they can pay by PP as that can't be stored on a computer unless using software like S** M******.
#31
WheresMeNuts
I'm still not sure how they can pay by PP as that can't be stored on a computer unless using software like S** M******.


Who knows how many backdoors there are into our Paypal accounts. Paypal aren't going to tell us and the scammers doing it sure aren't going to give away their secrets. So who really knows, not us anyway, all we can do is guess at what they could be doing. For all I know, Paypal could have a huge security flaw that just isn't spoke about because the only people who are really interested in it are people trying to commit fraud.

When I first started using the net over a decade ago, I did meet one bloke from the Netherlands who consistently found credit card details of online users being stored in text documents. Probably doesn't happen today, but even all that time ago it was an obvious failure, however the company still did it.
#32
Well from what I've read on this sort of scam is this..........

Someone steals someones purse/wallet & gets bank cards & then uses these cards to open a ebay/paypal account & then when they place in the details they make-up an address & give a public phone number like a Pub.
They setup from a Library/Internet cafe etc & So are ready to scam.
They give an address that is say in North of Scotland or in my case Essex.
They then go & buy something on ebay on the hope the victims bank cards have money in them & so purchase the item & pay by PP.
PP & Ebay are only strict if you want to sell,but are easy pray for those only wanting to buy.
The buyer/scammer buy's your item & pays by PP & then messages you later that day & say's "Hi,I'm visiting family in Cumbernauld & they have told me your only 20 minutes away & so would it be OK to collect"
So this happening to me a few years ago I go & check the moneys in the account & so I then agree not using this little brain I have & it never even entered my head about have no proof of postage.
The same guy scammed another 9 people & only 1 person refused him.
All the sellers where from around the Glasgow area & so the guy was never from Essex's in the first place.
He was later caught due to a seller having his car Reg plate number,but the police let him go due to PP & the Honest guys bank not reporting any crime.
1 Like #33
Use a different password on Ebay and paypal.
#34
They find your phone number by clicking 'advanced search' on eBay, then 'find contact information'.

Only they can find this information when they have bought something off you.
#35
dga
Mikey91
I never accept payment by PayPal if they are coming to collect the item, only cash.

I was selling an item on eBay quite a while back (I think it was a HP Touchpad) and they called me up asking if they could collect and pay by PayPal (they did sound genuine and I think they wanted to use PayPal for their protection but I point blank refused to accept PayPal - they said they would call back, they never did.... :D

I've had it the other way around. Had a stash in my PayPal account and offered to use and collect, they said yes initially then no. I said cash is fine then and can they provide their address within the next three days as we had already arranged to meet, never heard from them again so neg left.


I'm happy with cash on collection, in fact, I prefer it, avoids stupid PayPal fees! You were right to leave neg if they abandoned communication with you.
#36
doritos
They find your phone number by clicking 'advanced search' on eBay, then 'find contact information'.

Only they can find this information when they have bought something off you.

I though ebay stopped given buyers the sellers address a couple a years back ?
#37
epicvibe321
mrman007
Nasty! I hope they get theres!


:|


You hope they cant spell?

It was late ;)
#38
dga
doritos
They find your phone number by clicking 'advanced search' on eBay, then 'find contact information'.

Only they can find this information when they have bought something off you.

Oh nice! BRB off to visit wTP.


Not address, just a phone number I think.
#39
Hi my ex is selling my car for me on e bay as i dont have an account, he just go this posted to his e mail, feel free to call the number on it:


--
Hi,Do you still have it for sale? i will like to make an offer of the exactly amount you want to sell it,payment will be made through paypal and i will arrange for the pick up as well. Cheers, Andrew.

he was told it was cash on collection:

Thanks for the mail, i am buying this for my son as his birthday gift because i would not be around to celebrate with him i am a petroleum engineer currently on a rig offshore in UK and due to the nature of my work,phone calls making and visiting of website are restricted but i squeezed out time to check this advert and send you an email regarding it. In case if you will want to call me to talk to me on phone you can easily call me on this number +447024041070. I really want this item to be a surprise gift for my son so i wont let him know anything about the item until it gets delivered to him , i am sure he will be more than happy with the item.I insisted on paypal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i don't have internet banking, but i can pay from my PayPal account, as i have my bank a/c attached to it, i will need you to give me your PayPal email address so i can make the payment as soon as possible for the item and pls if you don't have PayPal account yet,it is very easy to set up, go on http://www.paypal.com and get it set up ,after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with PayPal so as to put the money through.I have a pick up agent that will come for the pick up immediately you have receive the payment in full.what is your final price including the paypal charges?.

he was then told no cash no car so they haven't replied, seems ther trying all different people x
#40
Lol, the second example is a textbook scam. Always making up stupid excuses as to why they can't pick up in person etc. etc.

Unfortunately, there might be people out there that might fall for it.

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