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Einstein owns up...

Liddle ol' me Avatar
8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
From the Guardian article today - link in post # 2:

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." So said Albert Einstein, and his famous aphorism has been the source of endless debate between believers and non-believers wanting to claim the greatest scientist of the 20th century as their own.

A little known letter written by him, however, may help to settle the argument - or at least provoke further controversy about his views. [...]

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." [...]

Einstein is best known for his theories of relativity and for the famous E=mc2 equation that describes the equivalence of mass and energy, but his thoughts on religion have long attracted conjecture.

His parents were not religious but he attended a Catholic primary school and at the same time received private tuition in Judaism. This prompted what he later called, his "religious paradise of youth", during which he observed religious rules such as not eating pork. This did not last long though and by 12 he was questioning the truth of many biblical stories.

"The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression," he later wrote.

In his later years he referred to a "cosmic religious feeling" that permeated and sustained his scientific work. In 1954, a year before his death, he spoke of wishing to "experience the universe as a single cosmic whole". He was also fond of using religious flourishes, in 1926 declaring that "He [God] does not throw dice" when referring to randomness thrown up by quantum theory.

His position on God has been widely misrepresented by people on both sides of the atheism/religion divide but he always resisted easy stereotyping on the subject.

"Like other great scientists he does not fit the boxes in which popular polemicists like to pigeonhole him," said Brooke. "It is clear for example that he had respect for the religious values enshrined within Judaic and Christian traditions ... but what he understood by religion was something far more subtle than what is usually meant by the word in popular discussion."

Despite his categorical rejection of conventional religion, Brooke said that Einstein became angry when his views were appropriated by evangelists for atheism. He was offended by their lack of humility and once wrote. "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."
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8y, 6m agoPosted 8 years, 6 months ago
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#2
Noooo. Signing out now.
#3
einstein. legend! just wish he lived longer and solved the unified field theory!!!
#4
oh yeah i saw that article, at the pub earlier. God's place in science ... whether there is God or not, the beauty in nature (and cosmos) is beautiful and fathomless (even in its ugliness). i think there is place for both, not necessarily of the extreme kind and it also depends on what stage/where you are in your journey.
#5
Very profound.
Admire his thinking
#6
btw liddle --- 'guardian' spelling in your post. 1st line, i know how fussy u are ...
#7
Ace Hayward;2092712
einstein. legend! just wish he lived longer and solved the unified field theory!!!

Yea then perhaps we could solve the pain in the ass problem of the shower curtain sticking to your ass:w00t:
#8
Shengis
Noooo. Signing out now.


hehe

kippy
btw liddle --- 'guardian' spelling in your post. 1st line, i know how fussy u are ...


me? fussy? nooooo (thanks, changed:thumbsup:)

vixygwim
Ok I'm an atheist / agnostic (take your pic) but I'm not going to alter my beliefs just because Einstein has a different opinion.

Credit where credit is due but he's hardly the definitive voice on this matter.


But there is a difference. You obviously missed the poll http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/156490/poll-results-a-theist-28-b-agnostic/
#9
vixygwim
:lol: Yeah I missed that.

Let's not start that debate here; in my mind the definitions are still too blurred.

Right well I'm unable to decide because there's a lack of evidence :giggle:.


So you can't make your mind up what you think? :-D
#10
well liddle ol' me, i'm sure you of all people know that not everyone is of the ripe ole age you're at ;) hehehe
#11
kippy
well liddle ol' me, i'm sure you of all people know that not everyone is of the ripe ole age you're at ;) hehehe


Oh yes we are

lol
#12
38 Kippy, not that old, surely? erm...and I've got Wii Fit to fight the battle of the bulge.
#13
not not old at all, but cant assume everyone has their mind made up yet on all things esp complicated (yet simple) things like faith etc etc.
#14
kippy
btw liddle --- 'guardian' spelling in your post. 1st line, i know how fussy u are ...


Liddle ol' me


me? fussy? nooooo (thanks, changed:thumbsup:)



Forgive me, a little off topic but the two posts made me chuckle :thumbsup:

The Grauniad is a nickname for the UK national newpaper, the Guardian, because of a now ill-founded reputation for typos. The name was given to it by the satirical magazine Private Eye. The Guardian newspaper earned its reputation for lots of misprints in the days of hot-metal printing when it was published in Manchester (it was originally called the Manchester Guardian), and the editions that appeared in London were very early editions brought down by train, before all the errors had been spotted.
#15
Out of interest here are a few more quotes by Einstein on God and religion.

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"God is subtle but he is not malicious."
"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Kevin Harris 1995

And one of my personal favourites not related to God.
"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
#16
hottoshop
Forgive me, a little off topic but the two posts made me chuckle :thumbsup:


good point hottoshop. lol:-D

---edit: i meant the guardian missing typos.
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