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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
I'm at my wits end here as my daughter has had a lot of trouble with an electrician who has made a mess of a lot of work in her house.
Now I know people on here have loads of experience and random knowledge to draw on, so... If an electrician messes up and leaves things in dangerous condition, is there anyway of reporting this? Also finding out if they've maybe done the same thing before?
Rep for all help/advice :)
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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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1 Like #1
sounds like he needs a punch on the nose - nothing more useful to add!
1 Like #2
trading standards will have a list of all of the local rogue traders, try them, they are very helpful. there is also the small claims route to retrieve monies. A report from another electrician will help, but may cost in the short term
banned 1 Like #3
leccies have to be registered right..
Do you have his name?
I presume you could ring up the registered agency, and find him out.
#4
zannaz82
sounds like he needs a punch on the nose - nothing more useful to add!


Would certainly help;-)

ADZ1478
trading standards will have a list of all of the local rogue traders, try them, they are very helpful. there is also the small claims route to retrieve monies. A report from another electrician will help, but may cost in the short term


Hamm
leccies have to be registered right..
Do you have his name?
I presume you could ring up the registered agency, and find him out.


This individual is very slippery, appears to be v clever, but in fact is useless in practical terms:?
:roll: Another leccie already had to finish the work to make it safe, but the first guy insists that his work was fine:x
Rep for the suggestions:thumbsup:
1 Like #5
did u sign a contract?
sue his sorry ass!
1 Like #6
Since the work has since already been rectified, you are unlikely to have any joy with pursuing him.

It depends what the work was as to whether it needed to be done by an electrician. that's something your daughter should've checked out before.
[mod] 1 Like #7
thesaint
Since the work has since already been rectified, you are unlikely to have any joy with pursuing him.

It depends what the work was as to whether it needed to be done by an electrician. that's something your daughter should've checked out before.


If you are able to obtain a report from the person who rectified the problems then you can pursue him. You could sue him for any loss that you have suffered as a consequence of his poor workmanship.

As you say though, (OP..more info needed) we need to know more. Did the person that you employed hold himself out to be an electrician (NICEIC registered etc). What was his retainer of employment etc.
#8
The OPs daughter did check it out.it was electrical work and the guy is NICEIC registered.he walked out half way through the job through incompetence then proceded to file court procedings for remainder of the money to complete the job
[mod]#9
zannaz82
The OPs daughter did check it out.it was electrical work and the guy is NICEIC registered.he walked out half way through the job through incompetence then proceded to file court procedings for remainder of the money to complete the job


We need to find out on what retainer his employment was for. I successfully helped someone defend actions that their builder brought against them a couple of weeks ago.
banned#10
Sorry to hear this Maia.

I know you have put a lot of time in to this project.

Hope things improve soon x x
#11
Thanks for all the help on here, this electrician is Part P registered, so we thought he would be well qualified.
He was supposed to undertake a specified list of jobs on a house being almost totally refurbished.
The wiring was already relatively new, but cosmetic work (change of sockets and such like) was needed. He couldn't even fit the new sockets requested, we found out later that this was due to needing a deeper back box and he didn't want/ couldn't be bothered to change the back box to fit the new sockets.
He walked off the job leaving at least two live wires protruding out of the walls. There were lots of people working in the house who were not warned of the danger, though fortunately another electrician was quickly found who made everything safe straight away.
Unfortunately a written contract for the work was not given, only a verbal agreement made. The man happily lies through his teeth about what he was supposed to do/what has actually been done.:x
I was so angry I thought he should have been sued, but it's all so much aggravation:x

The list of errors is truly horrendous, including knocking through a wall underneath a supporting beam.:w00t:
#12
DLM
Sorry to hear this Maia.

I know you have put a lot of time in to this project.

Hope things improve soon x x


Thanks, you remember me telling you about all the work being done.

Thankfully, the house is looking good, just been a lot of hard work.

How are you?:)
banned#13
MAIA
Thanks, you remember me telling you about all the work being done.

Thankfully, the house is looking good, just been a lot of hard work.

How are you?:)


I am fine.

It sounds like you have had a bad time of it.

Hope you can enjoy the garden soon with your family x x
#14
DLM
I am fine.

It sounds like you have had a bad time of it.

Hope you can enjoy the garden soon with your family x x


No, not really a bad time. Just one unscrupulous person who is causing my daughters family a lot of stress.

Maybe magicjay can point us in the right direction here.

My garden lol is the worse for wear just now:oops:
banned#15
MAIA
No, not really a bad time. Just one unscrupulous person who is causing my daughters family a lot of stress.

Maybe magicjay can point us in the right direction here.

My garden lol is the worse for wear just now:oops:


The snow has killed my plants :-(

Magicjay is lovely x x
[mod]#16
OP - my overall advice would be to have your new electrician produce you a report on what the other electrician did wrong and what the actual cost of the remedial works were...

You need to show "loss". You cannot sue for inconvenience. It would appear your loss is a financial loss so that is what you need to claim for. Have you paid the bill for the first electricians work? If you do not pay it then it is up to the builder to bring a claim against you for non payment. Then you would enter your defence and counterclaim. If you have paid, you need to have the report from the electrician and rely on this as your evidence in proving loss.

Hope this helps.
[mod]#17
DLM
The snow has killed my plants :-(

Magicjay is lovely x x


:oops: x
1 Like #18
MAIA
Thanks for all the help on here, this electrician is Part P registered, so we thought he would be well qualified.
He was supposed to undertake a specified list of jobs on a house being almost totally refurbished.
The wiring was already relatively new, but cosmetic work (change of sockets and such like) was needed. He couldn't even fit the new sockets requested, we found out later that this was due to needing a deeper back box and he didn't want/ couldn't be bothered to change the back box to fit the new sockets.
He walked off the job leaving at least two live wires protruding out of the walls. There were lots of people working in the house who were not warned of the danger, though fortunately another electrician was quickly found who made everything safe straight away.
Unfortunately a written contract for the work was not given, only a verbal agreement made. The man happily lies through his teeth about what he was supposed to do/what has actually been done.:x
I was so angry I thought he should have been sued, but it's all so much aggravation:x

The list of errors is truly horrendous, including knocking through a wall underneath a supporting beam.:w00t:


After reading that, i would put my house on this guy as not being a qualified spark.
Unfortunately the domestic side of the industry is littered with unqualified chancers.

I am a spark btw, i cant see what you can do tbh apart from put it down to experience,

The only advice i can offer is the next time you employ tradesmen is to ask for contact details of their previous jobs and find out if they were any good before allowing them in your house :thumbsup:

EDIT; sorry didnt see the legal advice above, good luck.
#19
transit
After reading that, i would put my house on this guy as not being a qualified spark.
Unfortunately the domestic side of the industry is littered with unqualified chancers.

I am a spark btw, i cant see what you can do tbh apart from put it down to experience,

The only advice i can offer is the next time you employ tradesmen is to ask for contact details of their previous jobs and find out if they were any good before allowing them in your house :thumbsup:


Thanks, good advice to ask for contact details of previous jobs. I believe this person must have done similar things before:x Would give my eye teeth to talk to his previous clients now.
We won't be so easy going and trusting after this experience

Repped most helpers, thanks. hukd says I've given out too much rep now :( so rep you tomorrow :)
#20
MAIA
Thanks, good advice to ask for contact details of previous jobs. I believe this person must have done similar things before:x Would give my eye teeth to talk to his previous clients now.
We won't be so easy going and trusting after this experience


The thing is theres loads of silly college courses that last about 2 weeks which idiots like the guy you had think make them electricians,

I served a 4 year apprenticeship with block release college at 6 weeks at a time.

We often get sent these chancers by agencies and can spot them within an hour of starting work, i work in construction , its frightening what goes on in the domestic side tbh.

Rant over :)
banned#21
magicjay1986
:oops: x


You are though, Maia is also, she lives near me.

You are genuinely nice and don't start fights about nothing.

Hope you are well x x
#22
magicjay1986
OP - my overall advice would be to have your new electrician produce you a report on what the other electrician did wrong and what the actual cost of the remedial works were...

You need to show "loss". You cannot sue for inconvenience. It would appear your loss is a financial loss so that is what you need to claim for. Have you paid the bill for the first electricians work? If you do not pay it then it is up to the builder to bring a claim against you for non payment. Then you would enter your defence and counterclaim. If you have paid, you need to have the report from the electrician and rely on this as your evidence in proving loss.

Hope this helps.


You've helped a lot, thanks magicjay:)
The rogue electrician was paid just over half his agreed money, walked off the job without notice soon after. Did just under half the work imo. He is demanding the rest of the money, saying my daughter bullied him and he was unable to continue working at the house.
Most of the other builders couldn't stop laughing when they heard this. He is a very strange individual indeed!
It was very hard to get the work checked and finished safely. It's done now and has the safety certificate as required. Messy experience, very grateful he's out of the house.

lol DLM is right about you ;)
#23
transit
The thing is theres loads of silly college courses that last about 2 weeks which idiots like the guy you had think make them electricians,

I served a 4 year apprenticeship with block release college at 6 weeks at a time.

We often get sent these chancers by agencies and can spot them within an hour of starting work, i work in construction , its frightening what goes on in the domestic side tbh.

Rant over :)


That was exactly my impression of him, and the domestic side of the business in general.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions, now I know I'm not imagining stuff. As you say, frightening, looks to me as if the regulating agencies aren't very effective.:roll:
#24
MAIA
You've helped a lot, thanks magicjay:)
The rogue electrician was paid just over half his agreed money, walked off the job without notice soon after. Did just under half the work imo.


It sounds like he owes you nothing then?

You said that you are at your "Wits end", I guess that this is due to him supposedly suing your daughter? If so, then it sounds like he has no claim, as he can't get money for work that he has not done.

As he hadn't finished the job, I find it will be hard to prove that he left it in a dangerous state, as it is clear that he hadn't finished.
#25
thesaint
It sounds like he owes you nothing then?

You said that you are at your "Wits end", I guess that this is due to him supposedly suing your daughter? If so, then it sounds like he has no claim, as he can't get money for work that he has not done.

As he hadn't finished the job, I find it will be hard to prove that he left it in a dangerous state, as it is clear that he hadn't finished.


Surely any professional would make a job safe before they leave it. Particularly when other people have access to unsafe work? Also, to claim any pay they should have good reason for leaving?
#26
thesaint
It sounds like he owes you nothing then?

You said that you are at your "Wits end", I guess that this is due to him supposedly suing your daughter? If so, then it sounds like he has no claim, as he can't get money for work that he has not done.

As he hadn't finished the job, I find it will be hard to prove that he left it in a dangerous state, as it is clear that he hadn't finished.


You think he owes nothing after knocking a hole through a supporting wall. He didn't fix this btw, he was totally oblivious to any fault.
The work he did do needed redoing, as I said before, he failed to fit the correct sockets.He has had over half the money and much of the work was unsafe+unsightly.
Yes, it's very stressful when someone comes into your home, causes damage, gets paid, then demands more money whilst your still trying to fix (and pay for) his incompetence.

The mans' arrogance appears to know no bounds, he is causing trouble even now!
He claims he was unable to complete the work, yes this sounds ridiculous, he clearly believes he is above and beyond normal rules and is acting accordingly:x
#27
zannaz82
Surely any professional would make a job safe before they leave it. Particularly when other people have access to unsafe work? Also, to claim any pay they should have good reason for leaving?


Depends on how the relationship with the client was working out, and what "unsafe" means.

MAIA
You think he owes nothing after knocking a hole through a supporting wall. He didn't fix this btw, he was totally oblivious to any fault.
The work he did do needed redoing, as I said before, he failed to fit the correct sockets.He has had over half the money and much of the work was unsafe+unsightly.
Yes, it's very stressful when someone comes into your home, causes damage, gets paid, then demands more money whilst your still trying to fix (and pay for) his incompetence.

The mans' arrogance appears to know no bounds, he is causing trouble even now!
He claims he was unable to complete the work, yes this sounds ridiculous, he clearly believes he is above and beyond normal rules and is acting accordingly:x


What I am trying to say that he will say he was unable to finish his work, so I don't see how you will prove to a judge that he had completed it, and left stuff unsafe.

Good luck.
[mod]#28
thesaint
It sounds like he owes you nothing then?

You said that you are at your "Wits end", I guess that this is due to him supposedly suing your daughter? If so, then it sounds like he has no claim, as he can't get money for work that he has not done.

As he hadn't finished the job, I find it will be hard to prove that he left it in a dangerous state, as it is clear that he hadn't finished.


He could owe them the reimbursement of their "loss" if his poor workmanship caused the OP to have to appoint someone else to put right his poor work and the remedial work for the reconstruction of the wall.

I think I understand what you mean (if you do mean this) when you say if he did not finish the job then there is no loss as he has not been paid for it...
[mod]#29
In these circumstances (and it is not exclusive to medical negligence which it stemmed from) the law could make reference to something called the "Bolam test" where you judge a professional/qualified person by the standards of another with that same qualification.

To apply it here...did the first electrician perform his task in such a way that you would not expect from a qualified electrician? Potentially yes.
#30
magicjay1986
He could owe them the reimbursement of their "loss" if his poor workmanship caused the OP to have to appoint someone else to put right his poor work and the remedial work for the reconstruction of the wall.


Depends what the reconstruction involved. If there were builders in the house, I don't know why an electrician knocked it through, and why one of them didn't stop him from going through a supporting wall.

He could have simply knocked a brick out, and the OP described it as "knocking through", which I suppose he did.

magicjay1986


I think I understand what you mean (if you do mean this) when you say if he did not finish the job then there is no loss as he has not been paid for it...


If I was said electrician, I know what I would be saying in front of the beak.
#31
thesaint
Depends on how the relationship with the client was working out, and what "unsafe" means

What I am trying to say that he will say he was unable to finish his work, so I don't see how you will prove to a judge that he had completed it, and left stuff unsafe.


The relationship with the client was not necessary to work out imo for the work to be completed as agreed. I have no idea why he left the job unfinished, maybe he simply was not sufficiently qualified, so it was beyond his capabilities.
The electrician who was subsequently employed found the work to be unsafe.


Good luck.



Thanks:thumbsup:

magicjay1986
He could owe them the reimbursement of their "loss" if his poor workmanship caused the OP to have to appoint someone else to put right his poor work and the remedial work for the reconstruction of the wall.

I think I understand what you mean (if you do mean this) when you say if he did not finish the job then there is no loss as he has not been paid for it...


Yes, he was not paid the full amount as said above.

Thanks again for the clear logic, believe me, when you live through a situation like this it's a struggle to hold on to logic. Anger and disbelief take over and I'm aware that doesn't help at all.
You've helped to see things more clearly.:)
[mod]#32
MAIA
Thanks:thumbsup:



Yes, he was not paid the full amount as said above.

Thanks again for the clear logic, believe me, when you live through a situation like this it's a struggle to hold on to logic. Anger and disbelief take over and I'm aware that doesn't help at all.
You've helped to see things more clearly.:)


I am glad it is clearer.
#33
thesaint
Depends what the reconstruction involved. If there were builders in the house, I don't know why an electrician knocked it through, and why one of them didn't stop him from going through a supporting wall.

He could have simply knocked a brick out, and the OP described it as "knocking through", which I suppose he did.



If I was said electrician, I know what I would be saying in front of the beak.


He was on a landing on his own, other builders downstairs, working independently.

I was working upstairs with my daughter. The electrician called out to his mate saying he was knocking the wall through for access to a loft space for wiring. He then knocked it through, immediately under a huge wooden beam. We all went to see what he'd done and his mate tried to shore it up. My daughter and myself were in total shock. The electrician laughed and said he didn't know that was a beam, he didn't have his glasses on.
Hard to believe I think

The latest thing is that he is phoning the builder who fixed the damage to say this didn't happen:whistling:
banned#34
MAIA
He was on a landing on his own, other builders downstairs, working independently.

I was working upstairs with my daughter. The electrician called out to his mate saying he was knocking the wall through for access to a loft space for wiring. He then knocked it through, immediately under a huge wooden beam. We all went to see what he'd done and his mate tried to shore it up. My daughter and myself were in total shock. The electrician laughed and said he didn't know that was a beam, he didn't have his glasses on.
Hard to believe I think

The latest thing is that he is phoning the builder who fixed the damage to say this didn't happen:whistling:


I this clown needs reporting to these:-

http://rogue-traders.com/
#35
DLM
I this clown needs reporting to these:-

http://rogue-traders.com/


Will do:thumbsup:

Going to report him to anyone and everyone!:viking:
banned#36
MAIA
Will do:thumbsup:

Going to report him to anyone and everyone!:viking:


Good for you :thumbsup:

Night, night x x

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