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Electricity suppliers. Who is cheapest???

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banned8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
After the previous electricity bill of £277, I was thinking about looking for an alternative supplier, but this latest really takes the biscuit at £402.

I use economy 7 - purely because my meter is slighty out - and daytime is actually the night rate! (ie its to my advantage!)

Ive got no electical heating, plus the missus is banned from using the tumble dryer! (Hot water and heating is gas - and that seems to average £45pm)

So effectively power is costing a whopping £550 a quarter! In a pretty warm (fully lagged) 3 bed house!

Obviously there are a few comparisson sites to look at - but anyone have any experience of joint power suppliers and recommendations?

Cant believe how expensive things are getting! I stuck my 1600 Vauxhall Zafira in for an MOT today. It needed a new front wiper - and I ended up paying £120 for a damned MOT! (Got charged £40+ Vat for a "pre MOT inspection! - what the hell is that all about!!!!!!) Am looking forward to next year, when this low powered car gets stuffed with a £300 Road Tax bill - for doing 2500 miles per year! God this sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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banned8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Are you sure that someone hasn't run a cable off your supply?
The MOT sounds like a complete rip-off. Feeling quite cross on your behalf.:x
#3
As i used to understand it,the E7 night rate switches over via a radio signal,not at you meter and this time can vary from around 11pm-1am(for 7 hours).

Are you really sure that you are getting the reduced rate during the day?This could explain the higher bills,also the day rate is slightly higher on E7 than a standard rate(or it used to be)

I have dual fuel with British Gas,and every time I do a comparison it always comes out the cheapest compared to other suppliers.I live in the North West though,so it may be different where you come from,best to try the comparison sites.

Sorry,not much help really,but this time of year should be the largest bill due to coming out of winter and the long nights(lights are on for longer,tv is on for longer as we don't tend to spend as much time outside etc etc)
#4
We've just had a 14 month battle with BG over E7.
A very long story cut down to the fact they changed our meter, swore blind that the times would remain the same and then changed them resulting in a bill something like yours Guv.

To get our money back has taken 14 months and BG lied , cheated and put every possible obstacle in our way.
The only time in the last 15 years I have lost my temper.

Be very very careful with BG, log everything, every name , every converstaion etc etc.

My rant over.

ps It turned out that E7 had become not viable due to the new static times. We had to come off E7 and go on normal rates. Our bills are now slightly cheaper taking all factors into account.

Good luck Guv !! If I can help just shout :)
#5
Control of E7 normal & low rates can be via either a teleswitch or a timeswitch. £402 for 3 months is excessive. Have you thought about having the meter checked? Is it a modern digital meter or an older disc meter?

I have a 4 bed house with gas used just for central heating & hot water. Monthly bill for electricity is £63.
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kfs24
Control of E7 normal & low rates can be via either a teleswitch or a timeswitch. £402 for 3 months is excessive. Have you thought about having the meter checked? Is it a modern digital meter or an older disc meter?

I have a 4 bed house with gas used just for central heating & hot water. Monthly bill for electricity is £63.


I must admit the prices did increase when the meter was changed a few years ago. At the time, the bills were averaging about £120 per quarter - but obviously there have been some price hikes and my usage will have increased with 4 PCs on 24/7. But that shouldnt raise it to those levels to be honest?

My meter is the old timerswitch type. I know when I am on peak or E7. Peak for me is from about 4.45pm round to 9 or 10 in the morning. (Im not here to hear it switch over - but am when it leaves E7 for peak.) Ive obviously got no reason to moan about that error, since its to my advantage.

I know I did moan when the meter was first changed, but they were adamant that it was accurate (even though it was never physically checked!) And I guess if they did come round, the E7 will be "fixed" and effectively put the bills up even more!

Yes my PC usage is excessive - but I cant believe they eat that much. We also have 4 TVs (1 Plasma, 1CRT and 2 (BEKO) LCDs. The latter in the bedrooms and used in the evening, but no other time - and only for a couple of hours max. Gas prices have risen, but our costs havent risen to anywhere near the same % that electricity has.

Maybe I will start shutting the PCs down and see if that makes any difference! I think it will slightly, but really don't think it will be by much.
#7
Do you have your tvs on standby all day? That might be a problem,
banned#8
hottoshop
We've just had a 14 month battle with BG over E7.
A very long story cut down to the fact they changed our meter, swore blind that the times would remain the same and then changed them resulting in a bill something like yours Guv.

To get our money back has taken 14 months and BG lied , cheated and put every possible obstacle in our way.
The only time in the last 15 years I have lost my temper.

Be very very careful with BG, log everything, every name , every converstaion etc etc.



We're not with BG (Electricity is EDS and Gas is Southern Electric) - but I share your views!

Back in 1998, I unplgged BG. I had to give them a meter reading, and they then sent me a massive bill for about £350. No problem in that, it was playing meter catchup. However after paying that, they sent me another bill for £600 a week or so later and claimed they had just read my meter. I asked the date that happened because I had no recollection. The day they said it was done, happened to be the day my first was born and there is no way I was at home. I asked for that persons name and why he had broken into my house - and also for them to explain why his reading was in error - because it still wasnt anywhere near the reading they claimed. They started making threats to ME about giving access to my property and it was then I told them their last access will be shortly as I will be leaving.

Strangely about a month ago, I actually had some BG cold telephone call me to switch supplier. He kept telling me BG were the cheapest, but refused to tell me thier unit charges. Needless to say I told him to sling his hook. Problem is, I think they are probably all tarred with the same brush!
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Titchimp
Do you have your tvs on standby all day? That might be a problem,


The CRT and Plasma are always switch OFF when not in use. The LCDs however may just be in standby. Its actually quite annoying with those sets - if its in standby, I have to switch them on first before I can switch off completely. As they are in the kids rooms, I often dont bother. The youngest one is pretty OK and will turn it off - but the eldest (who is autistic) its like talking to a brick wall to get him to do it!
#10
The four PCs & monitors on 24/7 will make quite a difference. If for instance you take an average of 300W each for the PCs and 50W for a monitor that adds up 1.4KW. Left on for 24 hours they will use 33.6kWh (or units). At say 10p a unit that's £3.36 a day. It soon adds up.

We have 3 PCs and they are on most evenings but switched off overnight.
#11
I know you prob dont want to spend more money but something like this: http://www.firebox.com/product/1870

Might help you visualise your spend, im pretty sure there are much cheaper solutions out there, but they allow you to take them around with you monitoring how much money you save each time you turn something off
banned#12


The biggest problem I find with these sites is the lack of detail and the almost "magical" way they calculate. Putting in my figures, going to duel fuel with Southern Electricity, it says I will save £182 per year. That all sounds grand - but they dont show the calculations and how that figure is reached! They also earn of the switch so they are hardly independant.

I suppose I dont really need to understand why a supplier is cheaper than another (and I doubt too many people can really cope with the variety of options on offer), but I'd just prefer something a little more concrete than "we calculate". Yes I am sceptical - but with good reason.
#13
Damn thats a lot. My elec bill us about £130ish in winter mths I pay every 3 mths as I get billed quartely.In Summer months about £30 less. I'm with EDF which are formely Seeboard and I get Nectar points too.
I've been consdering a swap round with suppliers,specially cos of incentives like extra Quidco for signing up etc.
I not got a microwave,broken down about 6 mths ago and decided not to replace it.I use energy saving light bulbs and don't have a tumble dryer and very rarely use hairdryer,it these high drainage items that meant to put up your bill. I cook by gas,have central heating,water heated up with gas,similar situations as your household probably but we got 1 less bedroom,I can't see how you can possibly be having a bill all that. As someone mentioned is someone else running off your electricity somehow?
banned#14
kfs24
The four PCs & monitors on 24/7 will make quite a difference. If for instance you take an average of 300W each for the PCs and 50W for a monitor that adds up 1.4KW. Left on for 24 hours they will use 33.6kWh (or units). At say 10p a unit that's £3.36 a day. It soon adds up.

We have 3 PCs and they are on most evenings but switched off overnight.


There is only one monitor involved here. (One is a home theatre machine attached to the plasma - and only on in the evening) and the other 3 PCs are on one CRT monitor which is switched off. I would also think they all kick into hibernation when nothing is going on with them overnight.

Whilst originally, they were left because they often were doing something, my usage has somewhat changed - and old habits die hard! If they didnt take 5 minutes to boot up, I probably would switch off (but with such old installs and far too many apps - thats what I have to put up with!!!)

Whilst you may have demonstated a cause for concern - I think your figures are way out! I dont believe they cost me £336 per quarter to leave on!!!
#15
With Atlantic (now owned by Scottish & Southern). Live in a 4 bedroomed, fully insulated semi with two of us living here and home most of the day. Only source of fuel is electricity for everything so we are on E7 with warm air central heating. Occasionally use a woodburning open fire in the front room but only for that cosy feeling, never more than a dozen times each winter.

Have auto washing machine, dishwasher (on overnight timers) and all the usual electrical paraphanalia. I make sure the TVs and peripherals are not on standby when not in use by using remote operated power sockets.

Currently paying £70 per month and expect to be in credit or break even at end of the year (July). Atlantic then give back one twelfth of the annual bill as a loyalty bonus for staying with them. This happens at each anniversary of the twelve months. They also repay any credit you have at the same time so each new year starts afresh with no carry over.

Just spotted that you have 4 x PCs on 24/7. They eat quite a lot of power - not the benign little beasts that most people think. Have a look at the power rating on the label of each base unit and then the same for each monitor. Peripherals will use power too even if they are running entirely from USB with the PC's power unit supplying the extra juice. Each 1000watts equals one unit per hour, which is 24 units per day and almost 2200 units per quarter. They will consume less when on standby but not nothing. We have two PCs plus a laptop here which are used a lot with scanners and printers (for digital photography), routers, etc. but they're always powered down when not in use.

Have a solar panel for the hot water and this seems to help. It is one of the cheaper systems that relies solely on solar power for the pump and the panel - no control system whatsoever. After a sunny day like today the immersion heater will see that the tank is hot and not switch on during the E7 period. After a grey day then it still needs to come on to top up the tank overnight.

No tumble dryer - they eat money.

Not sure why your bills are so high - you can get the meter calibrated or perhaps you should buy a power monitor and see just how much electricity you are using. They're not expensive and easy to buy online (Maplin for one). It does sound as if something needs putting right but maybe you're just using too much and need to look seriously at the switch on the wall.
#16
I am an electrical engineer. Something is wrong here, the most likely is the meter, also as stated it is remotely possible that some one has linked to your supply, but you normally only find this in flats, but if you have loft that others can access then, this could be why, as I have seen it done this way.

If you say you get the day units at the night rate then you would be paying nearly double., work that out on a day rate and it is massive. Computers even a lot of them would not bring you bill up to this. If there is nothing obvious then you need to call the supply company.

Also switch of everthing form the fuse box, and then put one circuit back at a time and observe the meter, you can then break it down, finding out what is feed from that circuit, and then switching off the socket/spur and so on.............

You could even call an electrician, ask him if he has an a.c. clamp meter and he can advise what current is being drawn from each circuit and then each device by elimination, I cant see you being chaged more that fifty quid, as it an easy job


Hope this is of help
banned#17
Did you ask the garage for a pre-check on the MOT?

The MOT is a check in itself and any re-test is free if repairs carried out at the same garage so any pre-check is a complete waste of time and money.

They ripped you off big time!

I have been with Atlantic for electric & gas for 5 years. Come out cheapest every time and I check quarterly.

3 bed detached - (gas = £120 per quarter / electric = £90 per quater)

Something drastically going wrong at yours if you pay 3 times what I do!
#18
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I am an electrical engineer. Something is wrong here, the most likely is the meter, also as stated it is remotely possible that some one has linked to your supply, but you normally only find this in flats, but if you have loft that others can access then, this could be why, as I have seen it done this way.

If you say you get the day units at the night rate then you would be paying nearly double., work that out on a day rate and it is massive. Computers even a lot of them would not bring you bill up to this. If there is nothing obvious then you need to call the supply company.

Also switch of everthing form the fuse box, and then put one circuit back at a time and observe the meter, you can then break it down, finding out what is feed from that circuit, and then switching off the socket/spur and so on.............

You could even call an electrician, ask him if he has an a.c. clamp meter and he can advise what current is being drawn from each circuit and then each device by elimination, I cant see you being chaged more that fifty quid, as it an easy job


Hope this is of help


alert - would something like ebay item number 130205403457 do the trick

If so then for £13 it would help diagnose which circuit has the culprit device on, or if there is a problem with the electric meter.

Guv - what tariff is your leccie supplier quoting on your bill - the price per kwh?

EliTom
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All very subjective but for me, i found Ebico, a tariff run by Scottish Power to suit what i need. I only had electricity from them, but now have equigas too........
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elitom
alert - would something like ebay item number 130205403457 do the trick

If so then for £13 it would help diagnose which circuit has the culprit device on, or if there is a problem with the electric meter.

Guv - what tariff is your leccie supplier quoting on your bill - the price per kwh?

EliTom


Hi

yes it would, but you do need to know how to use it, and wherto put it, but not rocket science, good find !

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#21
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Hi

yes it would, but you do need to know how to use it, and wherto put it, but not rocket science, good find !

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Cheers Alert

any tips and trick we should know? i.e. how to use where to put it - polite answers only please :)

I know its not the same as a professional electrician / electrical engineers but some tips may help the likes of guv make a quick evaluation

EliTom
#22
Hi

I could be taking the bread from some sparks kids!!

This safe to do so,

OK it needs to be set onthe 0-200AC amp range and clamped around one of the thick cables that that goes from the meter to the fuse board. In some cases it can be more complicated where there are more that one fuse box

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