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So since the change of prime minister i've been hearing a lot about EMA being cut. Does anyone know any information about it and when it is going to happen if it does. Thanks
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banned6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
So since the change of prime minister i've been hearing a lot about EMA being cut.

Does anyone know any information about it and when it is going to happen if it does.
Thanks
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banned6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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#1
Just rumours atm.
1 Like #2
hopefully its scrapped.
#3
The rot has started then.
#4
Dont think it should be scrapped but then again it is far too easy for people to play the system. For example I knew a guy who was getting the full £30 despite the fact his father ran a very successful restaurant and was loaded.
banned#5
dontasciime
The rot has started then.


Bit hysterical - paying kids to get an education in a time of economic trouble is perhaps enough to raise an eyebrow amongst some.:?
#6
FilthAndFurry
Bit hysterical - paying kids to get an education in a time of economic trouble is perhaps enough to raise an eyebrow amongst some.:?


My son is 19 and gets Ema it's cheaper for the goverment to do it this way instead of income support / job seekers allowance. The same applies for lots of Teens on Ema.. Ok let the new politics regime pay more.

Trouble with you tories is you want to see people suffer. You get pleasure from it. Only difference is, this time you lot are going to suffer along with the rest of us scum.
#7
Nick_
hopefully its scrapped.


I agrea because you'll get kids that dont want to learn, that are only doing it for the cash.
banned#8
dontasciime
My son is 19 and gets Ema it's cheaper for the goverment to do it this way instead of income support / job seekers allowance. The same applies for lots of Teens on Ema.. Ok let the new politics regime pay more.

Trouble with you tories is you want to see people suffer. You get pleasure from it. Only difference is, this time you lot are going to suffer along with the rest of us scum.


I'm not a Tory.

I just think that education is it's own reward and paying kids to attend school is something we could do without in times like these.
#9
FilthAndFurry
I'm not a Tory.

I just think that education is it's own reward and paying kids to attend school is something we could do without in times like these.


I don't get it either, I mean back in the day, not all that long ago, you studied and got a job!
#10
I got EMA when I was at six form, but I have to agree this is not the right time for such spending where massive cuts are having to be made in much more important areas. I would have gone to sixth form either way, and saw the EMA as bonus spending money. If someone really only attends school for money, I doubt they are making the most of the opportunity and giving the taxpayer value for money.
#11
we use EMA to pay transport to and from sixth form - will be struggling without it!!
#12
My son's didn't get EMA, they just got part time jobs instead!!!
#13
Just watch this weeks episode of Blood sweat and Luxuries on teh bbc iplayer where a gold mine worker who was obviously very intelligent man woulda of given anything to be able to learn. And i know on a previous episode the brits gave a young girl the £50 which was approx a years wage for her to go o school to learn to be a chef.

We take free education for granted, kids should be grateful its free up until university and shouldnt rely on an incentive to go. You want pocket money work McDonalds on a saturday and go to college thats what i had to do.


Also EMA only for the english. Not availiable in Wales so im assuming same true for scotland
#14
FilthAndFurry
I'm not a Tory.

I just think that education is it's own reward and paying kids to attend school is something we could do without in times like these.



Is everyones situation the same ? How could you possibly know about everyone's circumstances ?

My son attends college and it costs more to do so than he gets back.

Was the same when my daughter stayed on @ school she was awarded £10 Ema . It cost £15 in bus fares to get there and £15 in meals.

It's not private education. It was set up to manipulate the unemployment figures in the same way YTS and YWS was.
banned#15
dontasciime
Is everyones situation the same ? How could you possibly know about everyone's circumstances ?



You seemed happy to make assumptions about me being a Tory - and I haven't made any assertions about people's circumstances.

We all have to make sacrifices. It would be lovely to give kids money for attending school, but we managed for a long time without EMAs and I'm sure we'd cope again.
#16
The Tories comment was not aimed at you even though I quoted you. Not everything's about you :lol

You should have been "The"& they, was a typo, misprint, whatever.
#17
dontasciime
Is everyones situation the same ? How could you possibly know about everyone's circumstances ?

My son attends college and it costs more to do so than he gets back.

Was the same when my daughter stayed on @ school she was awarded £10 Ema . It cost £15 in bus fares to get there and £15 in meals.

It's not private education. It was set up to manipulate the unemployment figures in the same way YTS and YWS was.


Back in the day when I went to college, my mum was skint, she gave me my child benefit that she still got as I was studying, that paid for my termly bus pass. I then, shock, got a job waiting on tables, then when I was 18 I did that, bar work, taxi controlling, retail to name but a few and paid for the food etc I wanted. Could have saved my cash and done packed lunches!
#18
tinkerbell28
Back in the day when I went to college, my mum was skint, she gave me my child benefit that she still got as I was studying, that paid for my termly bus pass. I then, shock, got a job waiting on tables, then when I was 18 I did that, bar work, taxi controlling, retail to name but a few and paid for the food etc I wanted. Could have saved my cash and done packed lunches!




Yeah well I've had to eat stale 2 years old sponge fingers that I found in the back of the cupboard in the middle of winter with no heat ... Happy days. TBH my life at that stage was still a hell of a lot better than some and for that I am thankful.
#19
DIVA1977;8612437
Just watch this weeks episode of Blood sweat and Luxuries on teh bbc iplayer where a gold mine worker who was obviously very intelligent man woulda of given anything to be able to learn. And i know on a previous episode the brits gave a young girl the £50 which was approx a years wage for her to go o school to learn to be a chef.

We take free education for granted, kids should be grateful its free up until university and shouldnt rely on an incentive to go. You want pocket money work McDonalds on a saturday and go to college thats what i had to do.


Also EMA only for the english. Not availiable in Wales so im assuming same true for scotland


You can get EMA in Scotland.
#20
Should be scrapped too many students, parents and college staff play the system to make sure it is paid. Get a part time job if you want money whilst studying that's what we did.
1 Like #21
There is too much self-righteous bull**it being spouted here. EMA is designed as a HAND UP not a HAND OUT. It allows those who want to study after 16 access to learning when otherwise they would struggle. It is not designed as a reward, nor is it designed as a substitute for part-time work.

Would you rather see kinds on the street at 16? Singing on? We should adopt a long view that will protect us in the future...the young people who study today are the skilled workers and academics of tomorrow, if we cut of their investment now we will inevitably end up with a dearth in the not too distant future.

I had EMA whilst at 6th form and I also had a part-time job. It helped me massively and I have now just finished my degree...I very much doubt I would be in the position I am today without it.
#22
FilthAndFurry
I'm not a Tory.

I just think that education is it's own reward and paying kids to attend school is something we could do without in times like these.


Spot on. There was a thread about this a while back that got pretty heated.

It's a luxury benefit that could be stripped without too much pain.

Before anyone labels me, I'm not a Tory either.
banned#23
Rowedog
We should adopt a long view


Exactly - short-term sacrifice to get an education that has long-term rewards. That's how I pushed myself at school without EMA.
banned#24
Oh when I were a lad/lass is pretty much the sum of this thread.
#25
I don't know to be honest, on one hand, we shouldn't be bribing people to further their education, they either want it or they don't, but i suppose £30 EMA is cheaper than £50 JSA.

Having said that, i'm not sure that people will pick college solely to get £30 a week. It's a lot of wok and effort for that very little gain.
#26
Rowedog
There is too much self-righteous bull**it being spouted here. EMA is designed as a HAND UP not a HAND OUT. It allows those who want to study after 16 access to learning when otherwise they would struggle. It is not designed as a reward, nor is it designed as a substitute for part-time work.

Would you rather see kinds on the street at 16? Singing on? We should adopt a long view that will protect us in the future...the young people who study today are the skilled workers and academics of tomorrow, if we cut of their investment now we will inevitably end up with a dearth in the not too distant future.

I had EMA whilst at 6th form and I also had a part-time job. It helped me massively and I have now just finished my degree...I very much doubt I would be in the position I am today without it.


well said Rowedog :thumbsup: my lad is in full time education (6th form) dosn't get EMA & is struggling to get a part time job, so we help him as much as we can, but the money tree isnt always in full bloom !

moob
Spot on. There was a thread about this a while back that got pretty heated.


possibly the one i started, but im keeping schtum this time.
banned#27
richp
well said Rowedog :thumbsup: my lad is in full time education (6th form) dosn't get EMA & is struggling to get a part time job, so we help him as much as we can, but the money tree isnt always in full bloom !




Neither is the government's:thumbsup:
#28
dontasciime
Is everyones situation the same ? How could you possibly know about everyone's circumstances ?

My son attends college and it costs more to do so than he gets back.

Was the same when my daughter stayed on @ school she was awarded £10 Ema . It cost £15 in bus fares to get there and £15 in meals.

It's not private education. It was set up to manipulate the unemployment figures in the same way YTS and YWS was.


Your kids, you chose to have them as a lifestyle choice, therefore you should pay for them, I am sick of subsidising feckless breeders.
If you cant afford to rear them without relying on state handouts keep your pants on.
#29
They should scrap EMA - I've never seen the point of it except to get kids into education. And if a kid is only going to school for the money then they shouldn't be there anyway, they'd be much better getting an apprenticeship or something like that. School isn't for everyone so the Government should be investing more in helping kids get into trades, not bribing kids to sit through more classes for another 2 years (after which they'll be pushed into university)..

As already mentioned, the current system is easy to play. I knew a guy who's parents had so much money they didn't need to work that much (so earned less than £30,000 or whatever the income amount is) and he got the full £30 every week plus a £100 bonus every once in a while.

I totally agree that travel costs should be covered for those on lesser incomes but not by EMA which the kids will just put in their own pocket and spend on what they want.
My brother is currently at sixth form and gets a travel grant from the council to help out paying for his bus tickets which is paid to my mum, not into his own bank account.
When I was at sixth form I had a bus pass which was subsidised by the council. Such a thing should be free for those whose families can't afford to pay the cost of a yearly one (it was a few hundred quid, so quite a lot of money for a low income family)..
#30
peodude
I don't know to be honest, on one hand, we shouldn't be bribing people to further their education, they either want it or they don't, but i suppose £30 EMA is cheaper than £50 JSA.

Having said that, i'm not sure that people will pick college solely to get £30 a week. It's a lot of wok and effort for that very little gain.


It's one of those arguments when its simple to say something and back it up.

You get some people say people go to college so they dont get a job and dont do course work and spend money on luxuries, then others who say like you that many wont go just to get a little money for a lot of work.

The general idea that I have seen on student websites is that its unfair and it should be scrapped or given to anyone but that just comes across as someone upset that they dont get any money.

Dont want to get into things too deep but I disagree when people say people should just get bus passes and book vouchers since many books can be borrowed from library or ex students or bought online cheaper new or used or even at charity shops and bus passes would mean that they have to be used at set times so means you couldnt study late at school and I know this from school and college experiences I have had.
#31
FilthAndFurry
Neither is the government's:thumbsup:


it should be with the amount of bloody taxes im paying in every week & had the goverment saved for a rainy day, maybe we would all be in a better postion.
#32
either everyone should get it or no one should get it.

I was forced to get a job while at college to support myself because i couldn't get ema.

Whereas almost everyone else was on ema, and never did a thing!
#33
DKLS
Your kids, you chose to have them as a lifestyle choice, therefore you should pay for them, I am sick of subsidising feckless breeders.
If you cant afford to rear them without relying on state handouts keep your pants on.


un-called for !
#34
dontdothatagain
You can get EMA in Scotland.


Yea you get it in Scotland and its a total waste of money imo.
Is it only up to £30 as i knew it was anywhere up to £40 a week a couple years ago.

Particularly in Scotland it is a total waste, we already had a greater than 50% rate of people continuing to College/ University without EMA.
And up here we dont have sixth form college, you just continue on at school till 18 then straight to Uni, so its far easier to just stay on if you dont know what you are doing with life yet.

It helped the country out, as more kids at 16+ had part-time jobs, and get into the way of working, instead of sitting back and getting £30/40 plopped into your bank account every week.
Its not a good way to teach kids by giving them free money.
Its a great way to teach kids to play the system so they can sit back and get handouts.

If its not abolished, i expect it to be made a lot more stringent at least.
There was plenty kids who were well off, getting the full amount and using it for extra spending money, cost to the country with no gain at all.
#35
matt3454
either everyone should get it or no one should get it.

I was forced to get a job while at college to support myself because i couldn't get ema.

Whereas almost everyone else was on ema, and never did a thing!


Proof?

EDIT : another idea from me is that people only see the bad things i.e its like when say you have a broadband company that gets loads of complaints but then the people who complain make up like 1% of customers but as the 99% are quiet it makes the company seem bad.

Basically I mean is that you could have a class of 25 EMA claimants and 5 non EMA and say half of the EMA claimants kept quiet about their money and the other half wasted it, you would think that most claimants were bad.
#36
ryouga
Proof?


of what?
#37
matt3454
of what?


Of your claim that almost everyone on ema you knew never did a thing.
#38
richp
un-called for !


Totally called for its the breeders that have milked this country dry, I am yet to understand why tax payers should fund people to breed.

ITs freewill to have a child, but you should only do so if you have the means and intelligence it bring it up.
banned#39
DKLS
Totally called for its the breeders that have milked this country dry, I am yet to understand why tax payers should fund people to breed.

ITs freewill to have a child, but you should only do so if you have the means and intelligence it bring it up.


The poor will never be able to have children then as most don't have the means to continue paying beyond school for them to become educated.
#40
DKLS
Totally called for its the breeders that have milked this country dry, I am yet to understand why tax payers should fund people to breed.

ITs freewill to have a child, but you should only do so if you have the means and intelligence it bring it up.


From that I guess you dont have kids then since you dont have the intelligence to bring one up.

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