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Euthanasia - Acceptable or not?

Liddle ol' me Avatar
8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
Our friend Wikipedia describes it thus: "Euthanasia (literally "good death" in Ancient Greek) refers to the practice of ending a life in a painless manner. As of 2008, some forms of euthanasia are legal in Belgium, Luxemburg, The Netherlands, Switzerland, the U.S. state of Oregon, and Thailand. Stances on euthanasia vary greatly; it is called murderous by some and merciful by others. Such controversy arises in part from the serious moral issues attached to the subject and in part from the fact that "euthanasia" is an umbrella term that describes a number of different methods."

What do you think? Acceptable or not - and why?

My stance is that Euthanasia is an acceptable practice, and under certain circumstances I would take the option if it were available. In fact, I would travel far to exercise my right to do this if it is still illegal in this country if and when that time comes.
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8y, 1w agoPosted 8 years, 1 week ago
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#1
Im all for it my self.
banned#2
I do not believ in euthaniasia, but i do believe if someone wants to end their life "they" should be able to, but not with the help if someone else
#3
black gerbil1
Im all for it my self.


Thought you might be :-D
banned#4
It its cruel to keep animals alive when in pain and no hope of a cure, why be nasty and make humans suffer?
#5
I think its acceptable but if it ever becomes legal pratice obviously you would have to go to special hospital etc not just people bumping off relatives and claming eusthanasia

i have seen far too many relatives die in pain right to the end because no one can help them
#6
black gerbil1
Im all for it my self.


im with you on this one:thumbsup:
#7
guv
It its cruel to keep animals alive when in pain and no hope of a cure, why be nasty and make humans suffer?


:thumbsup: excellent point
#8
guv
It its cruel to keep animals alive when in pain and no hope of a cure, why be nasty and make humans suffer?


Guv peered into my mind, past the filth and found my answer :?

On a personal note, 2 years ago my granddad was diagnosed with Cerebral Palsy, now it is a horrible and humiliating way to die and if I were him I would've died my own way. Luckily... I guess he died in his sleep from another illness a couple of months later...
#9
After watchin both my parents suffer painful deaths and losing all their dignity I think it should be legal
1 Like #10
if your on about Euthanasia for animals, my personal view is the owner can do whatever he wants, he owns the animals.

Human point of view, its should be up to the person himself/herself.
#11
sassie
I do not believ in euthaniasia, but i do believe if someone wants to end their life "they" should be able to, but not with the help if someone else


I'm not sure what "belief" has to do with it (it does exist). And as for assistance, I'd much rather have a professional medic assist me that botch the job myself and cause (more) unnecessary pain and sufferering.

guv
It its cruel to keep animals alive when in pain and no hope of a cure, why be nasty and make humans suffer?


Agreed. I guess because objections have traditionally been tied to religious teachings which have less to say about animal life (no souls to burn in hell and all that), people have been able to dodge this obvious comparison.
#12
guv
It its cruel to keep animals alive when in pain and no hope of a cure, why be nasty and make humans suffer?


This is what I say all the time. We are supposed to be the superior species and yet when an animal is in a lot of pain and unoperable, they are put to sleep so why shouldn't we be allowed to do the same?

I appreciate you are drawing a thin line between this and people could fake a signature to get someone's inheritance but surely there must be some acceptable circumstances. If someone was to get a fatal disease that was unoperable or treatable why couldn't they sign a legal agreement, witnessed by a solicitor or someone before they got really poorly and obvously still had "everything up there" for things to be ended at a time when they had no quality of life left, and before anyone comments on this, everyone knows when the point has come of no return, that they are in a lot of pain and have no quality of life whatsoever.

I feel really strongly about this and whilst am healthy (touch wood) I would hate to end up a vegetable just for my family to look after me. I would defintely look into going abroad where it is legal and my husband understands this fully, he wouldn't want to see me suffering.
#13
Definitely for it...I think there should be stringent rules set in place, but it is not fair to see any thing or any one suffer!
banned#14
sassie
I do not believ in euthaniasia, but i do believe if someone wants to end their life "they" should be able to, but not with the help if someone else


Hmmm. So suicide is ok (as its their choice?)

Have you ever witnessed the mess a suicider makes when they hit the windshield of a train travelling at 70mph? Thought of the people this desperate act has on peoples lives long after they have been scrapped off the track? (Not to mention cold dinners on the table because people arrive home late!!!)

I'm quite sure no one would chose to take this way out if a painless humain way was available. Of course that would involve assistance (unless they are very good chemists that know what they are doing!)
#15
im also for animal testing
#16
isnt switching someones life support machine off ending someones life or have i missed the point?
banned#17
mr miagi
isnt switching someones life support machine off ending someones life or have i missed the point?


Yes, you have missed the point.

You have been atificially been keeping someone alive. The decision is reached to stop giving assistance. You havent helped someone die, just stopped helping them to live. There is a difference.
#18
good point.didnt think of it that way cheers
#19
I dont agree with Euthanasia. Nature should take its course
#20
Lilly_White
I dont agree with Euthanasia. Nature should take its course


Do you extend that argument to everything? "Nature" and what is considered "natural" is always interesting, and you often find that people employ the terms strategically and inconsistently. In other words, it is used to support one belief but avoided when it doesn't support another. (I'll leave examples for later).
banned 1 Like #21
guv
Hmmm. So suicide is ok (as its their choice?)

Have you ever witnessed the mess a suicider makes when they hit the windshield of a train travelling at 70mph? Thought of the people this desperate act has on peoples lives long after they have been scrapped off the track? (Not to mention cold dinners on the table because people arrive home late!!!)

I'm quite sure no one would chose to take this way out if a painless humain way was available. Of course that would involve assistance (unless they are very good chemists that know what they are doing!)


I am referring to euthanasia without assistance, so yes suicide

Im referring to thse who wish to end their life whilst of sound mind, so slightly different to thiose who jump off bridges, as i truely believe they are not sound in mind, but only my beliefs, i dont think anyone should have the legal right to end anyones life
#22
Liddle ol' me
Do you extend that argument to everything? "Nature" and what is considered "natural" is always interesting, and you often find that people employ the terms strategically and inconsistently. In other words, it is used to support one belief but avoided when it doesn't support another. (I'll leave examples for later).


We are talking about human being here, and life. Im giving you my opinion, but i know from pasts post that you will argue with anyone who has a different point of view from yourself.
#23
sassie
i dont think anyone should have the legal right to end anyones life


Not even doctors specialised in this? Presumably you think doctors have the right to save lives and assist bringing life into the world? Why shouldn't they be allowed to assist people's exit if it alllows for a dignified end and comes with full consent?
#24
Liddle ol' me
Not even doctors specialised in this? Presumably you think doctors have the right to save lives and assist bringing life into the world? Why shouldn't they be allowed to assist people's exit if it alllows for a dignified end and comes with full consent?


Saving lives and assisting bringing life into the world is quite different to ending life
banned 1 Like #25
Liddle ol' me
Not even doctors specialised in this? Presumably you think doctors have the right to save lives and assist bringing life into the world? Why shouldn't they be allowed to assist people's exit if it alllows for a dignified end and comes with full consent?


which bit of "i dont think anyone should have the legal right to end a life" are you struggling with?


sorry been dying to say that since a thread the other day

I beleive where this is life their is hope, maybe im wrong, maybe im right, but those are my beliefs
#26
Lilly_White
We are talking about human being here, and life. Im giving you my opinion, but i know from pasts post that you will argue with anyone who has a different point of view from yourself.


Fair enough, if you aren't up to the job of discussing your opinions and - yes! - having them questioned, then you probably should stay out of the debate :thumbsup:
#27
sassie
which bit of "i dont think anyone should have the legal right to end a life" are you struggling with?

sorry been dying to say that since a thread the other day

I beleive where this is life their is hope, maybe im wrong, maybe im right, but those are my beliefs


Fair enough, I accept the "hope" argument. It's an overly optimistic one sometimes, but it's a good one. I'd still like the right to make that decision myself though. After all, it's the hope of the person dying that we are talking about - not your hope...
banned#28
Liddle ol' me
Fair enough, I accept the "hope" argument. It's an overly optimistic one sometimes, but it's a good one. I'd still like the right to make that decision myself though. After all, it's the hope of the person dying that we are talking about - not your hope...


As i have already said, i have no problem with anyone taking their own life (although very sad) but not when it involves someone else doing it, and i find it hard to believe that anyone would ask someone to kill them and put that burden onto a loved ones shoulders
[helper] 1 Like #29
Should defo be legal for those with terminal conditions (as long as they are of sound mind or made an advance statement whilst of sound mind) and they voluntarily opt for it (and they are not assisted by their family but by an independent individual or health professional). It has been suggested that some families would coerce elderly family members to opt for euthanasia to get their money.....

BMA has a page about it here
http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/Euthanasiaphysicianassistedsuicide~Euthanasia

What about children though? if your child had a terminal illness would you opt for euthanasia? could any parent make that choice?
#30
Lilly_White
Saving lives and assisting bringing life into the world is quite different to ending life


I'd still like to know why you think so. According to the "nature" claim you employed earlier, surely in both cases doctors are not allowing nature to take its course. If we allowed nature to take its course we wouldn't have doctors in the first place!
#31
Lilly_White
I dont agree with Euthanasia. Nature should take its course


If we let nature take its course, the euthanasia question would not really be as important.
I watched my elderly Nana become a shell of her former self when dementia set in. Medical intervention kept her alive for, I believe, years beyond what 'nature' intended.
#32
im going to expire/spam before this turns into a mass debate
#33
sassie
As i have already said, i have no problem with anyone taking their own life (although very sad) but not when it involves someone else doing it, and i find it hard to believe that anyone would ask someone to kill them and put that burden onto a loved ones shoulders


Btw, I'm not talking about asking loved ones to end one's life. I agree that this would be asking too much and would place a terrible burden on them. My preference would be for this to be done in a hospital by a medical professional.
#34
bigbob909
im going to expire/spam before this turns into a mass debate


:? :thinking:
#35
i think knowing we have an incurable and terminal disease that would cause distress, pain and loss of quality of life towards the end, it would be a comfort to know that i could allow someone to let me die when i was ready, with all my family around me knowing i had gone with my own wishes and peacefully.
#36
gari189
Should defo be legal for those with terminal conditions (as long as they are of sound mind or made an advance statement whilst of sound mind) and they voluntarily opt for it (and they are not assisted by their family but by an independent individual or health professional). It has been suggested that some families would coerce elderly family members to opt for euthanasia to get their money.....

BMA has a page about it here
http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/Euthanasiaphysicianassistedsuicide~Euthanasia

What about children though? if your child had a terminal illness would you opt for euthanasia? could any parent make that choice?



great post:thumbsup:
made me think twice as im about to be a mummy in a couple of weeks dont think i could make that choice
banned#37
Liddle ol' me
Btw, I'm not talking about asking loved ones to end one's life. I agree that this would be asking too much and would place a terrible burden on them. My preference would be for this to be done in a hospital by a medical professional.


and where should we draw the line? what about those that are most venerable to abuse of this system once it is legal, i say be careful what you wish for;-)
banned#38
queenlush
i think knowing we have an incurable and terminal disease that would cause distress, pain and loss of quality of life towards the end, it would be a comfort to know that i could allow someone to let me die when i was ready, with all my family around me knowing i had gone with my own wishes and peacefully.


Euathanasia is not about letting you die, it is about terminating your life early, we are not talking of withdrawing treatment to aloow a death, we are talking about a lethal cocktail to kill you
#39
gari189
Should defo be legal for those with terminal conditions (as long as they are of sound mind or made an advance statement whilst of sound mind) and they voluntarily opt for it (and they are not assisted by their family but by an independent individual or health professional). It has been suggested that some families would coerce elderly family members to opt for euthanasia to get their money.....

BMA has a page about it here
http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/Euthanasiaphysicianassistedsuicide~Euthanasia

What about children though? if your child had a terminal illness would you opt for euthanasia? could any parent make that choice?


Thanks for the link - and the final question. Yes, that situation would certainly test my beliefs to their core. Hopefully I'll never be there, but I think I can say that I would take the best option for my child, and there are situations I can imagine where the best option would be to end suffering.
#40
sassie
Euathanasia is not about letting you die, it is about terminating your life early, we are not talking of withdrawing treatment to aloow a death, we are talking about a lethal cocktail to kill you

it is giving my permission to end my life when it has been medically proven that there will be no possible cure. It is just as cruel to keep someone on a cocktail of drugs with no hope of cure, it just prolongs suffering. If we are talking morally and from a religious point of view then yes according to the bible it's wrong but i'm not religious and believe a human has the right not to suffer.

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