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Everyone should be organ donors says cheif medial officer.

ryouga Avatar
9y, 4m agoPosted 9 years, 4 months ago
What is peoples views on this, I think its sick I hate the thought id I die in an accident someones going to cut me open and take out my organs, I want to be buried as whole as I can not a scapegoat for the innefectual NHS.
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Everyone should be treated as an organ donor after death unless they explicitly choose to opt out, the Chief Medical Officer has said.

It is believed Sir Liam Donaldson will press for such a change in the law on organ donation at the unveiling of his annual report on the nation's health.

According to newspaper reports, he thinks the organ shortage in the UK is so dire that there should be a system which presumes patients consent to give their body parts for transplant.

People wanting to opt out would have to register in a reverse of the current system which asks those willing to donate their organs to carry cards, according to the paper.

The paper said Donaldson would probably favour a 'soft' option which would take the views of a victim's family into account.

Figures released earlier this year showed waiting lists for organ transplants had hit an all-time high - with a record number of people also receiving an organ transplant.

Transplant figures showed a total of 7,234 patients were registered as waiting for a transplant on March 31 - 8 per cent higher than a year earlier.

They also showed that 3,074 patients received a transplant in that year - 10 per cent higher than the previous year and the highest number on record.

A further 1.1 million people also joined the NHS Organ Donor Register, taking the total by the end of 2006/07 to more than 14.2 million.
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9y, 4m agoPosted 9 years, 4 months ago
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#1
I don't think a presumption is really fair considering many may hold religious beliefs that the body should be buried intact. Asking everyone either way would be a good idea though - some just don't care, and asking people tick yes or no when say registering for the electoral register may persuade some if it only takes a simple tick.
banned#2
This is not a good thing as your body is not the property of anyone else. If you want to be a donor then you should be the one to say so. Not be told you have to until you sign up to say you don't want to.

I would donate. But, feel this is the wrong way to go about it.
[mod]#3
I myself, carry a donor card, by choice !

I totally dissagree with the new measures they are wanting to implement. I feel its typical of todays society, they dont want you to own anything, even your own body!
[mod]#4
ryouga
I want to be buried as whole as I can not a scapegoat for the innefectual NHS.


You can't blame the NHS for people who need a transplant. :?

As for the debate......i don't care what they do to me after i'm dead. No use to me so if it's useful for someone else then that's good.
#5
Sort of Ashamed to say on my driving licence that i said no to all the organ donor questions, I don't like the idea of someone poking and cutting me to bits.

Maybe my attitude will change in the future but I didn't want to stick yes on a new driving licence, I don't want to die yet!
[mod]#6
Iom-RF
Sort of Ashamed to say on my driving licence that i said no to all the organ donor questions, I don't like the idea of someone poking and cutting me to bits.

Maybe my attitude will change in the future but I didn't want to stick yes on a new driving licence, I don't want to die yet!


No need to feel ashamed..........it's a personal choice. :thumbsup:

And anyway......if what you say about your car is true........you'll never reach a speed high enough to kill yourself. :giggle:
#7
I didnt blame NHS for the organ donors, I know they do the best they can, but even if they do this they will botch operations and whos to say there wont be a few "accidents" on the operating table for people they know havent got a great chance of survival.
[mod]#8
ryouga
I didnt blame NHS for the organ donors, I know they do the best they can, but even if they do this they will botch operations and whos to say there wont be a few "accidents" on the operating table for people they know havent got a great chance of survival.


I think that is a very silly and uneducated thing to say...........you are talking about professional people who work hard to make peoples lives better every day.

My family are all in the Health profession and it would be unethical and against everything these people belive in.
#9
As long as they don't touch my corneas...

I just hate anyone going near my eyes.
#10
Syzable
you'll never reach a speed high enough to kill yourself. :giggle:


Hehe, Not just me on the roads unfortunately!, Could be some 160mph bike practicing for TT!!!! :giggle:
#11
I think it should be a personal choice but people should consider it fully, i personally would be honoured if a/some part or parts of me helped someone else live or have a better quality of life after i died, also think about what if everyone had a negative attitude about organ donor and someone close to you needed a transplant?
#12
Syzable
I think that is a very silly and uneducated thing to say...........you are talking about professional people who work hard to make peoples lives better every day.

My family are all in the Health profession and it would be unethical and against everything these people belive in.


So do my family! I come from a family of doctors and nurses, and my dad almost died TWICE from two botched operations.

And I hear horror stories all the time about lazy staff who care more about themselves than their patients.

And the people who diagnosed me with no broken arm last year when I did, same for my dad 3 months ago, and my brother 2 years ago.

Useless a lot are, but there is a few nice ones too.
[mod]#13
I wasn't commenting on the botches........after all we are all human.

I was commenting on the insunuation that they will 'accidently' as you put it kill people to harvest their organs.
#14
ryouga
So do my family! I come from a family of doctors and nurses, and my dad almost died TWICE from two botched operations.

And I hear horror stories all the time about lazy staff who care more about themselves than their patients.

And the people who diagnosed me with no broken arm last year when I did, same for my dad 3 months ago, and my brother 2 years ago.

Useless a lot are, but there is a few nice ones too.

Your family don't seem to have much look with hospitals, infact a lot more than most, why haven't we seen you in the tabloids more???

I'd stay away from them....
#15
They wouldnt want mine anyway, but if they did then I am not sure what my reaction would be.

I think that people should have the choice, if they are going to do this then it should only be in situations where family members cannot be contacted to ask permission (Although I dont think it should happen at all - only when people carry donor cards)
#16
I didnt mean it in that way, I just say that some MIGHT realise theres not much chance saving someone who was in a big car crash, and they would try and save person but might not put all their effort into it knowing they could save someone else.

And as for botches, the hospital near my parents is well known for botches, they have been sued many a time for mistakes.
banned#17
I'm helping them out by pickling them. They wont need ice to transport them, just a jar:giggle:
#18
Personally - if I am dead and bits of me can help others stay alive - fair play - take what you need! I dont need it!

A friend of mine was killed in a car crash, Because of him 2 kids are alive and a man can see - I cant see that as bad!

I guess its downt to religion / belief. Me - I believe that once you are dead then the body is empty and its no longer the person that was loved/liked so to me this is fine, it may mean that someone that is currently loved/liked can be so for a little longer.

A contentiuos issue though!
[helper]#19
Ryouga - I'm presuming that your operations your family underwent none of them needed a blood transfusion. If we all had the attitude of you - there would be alot more dead people due to the lack of blood.

I don't agree with people having to opt out of organ donation but I think you are forgetting (or ignoring) organ donation saves lives. Basically they can have any bit of me they want - as long as its for donation purposes.
#20
Syzable


As for the debate......i don't care what they do to me after i'm dead. No use to me so if it's useful for someone else then that's good.



thats my view

im going to register to be a donor! right now !
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#22
I think I am going to go against the grain here but I think it's a good idea personally, there must be tens of thousands of people in the UK who would be happy to be a donor but has never bothered to carry the card, this way it's forcing people that don't want to be a donor to make the effort to sign against it.

If this proposal came in I would personally sign against it but at the same time think it's a good idea.
#23
gari189
Ryouga - I'm presuming that your operations your family underwent none of them needed a blood transfusion. If we all had the attitude of you - there would be alot more dead people due to the lack of blood.

I don't agree with people having to opt out of organ donation but I think you are forgetting (or ignoring) organ donation saves lives. Basically they can have any bit of me they want - as long as its for donation purposes.


Thats something totally different blood, I have donated blood in past no problem as they had my CONSENT they didnt just grab my arm and inject me with a needle and that was it

Dont know where you got the idea that I was talking about blood transfusions.
#24
i have a genetic condition, not sure if i can donate, anyone know how i can find this out? (also take alot of meds, so probable no one would want my liver!!!!) urrrgghhhhhhh
i do think its a personal choice tho, we shouldnt feel forced into it at all.
#25
Ok I'm confused If you can still opt out whats the problem? If you feel that strongly you say no If you don't care or are the kind of person who never gets round to registering then it saves you the hassle.
I think its a good idea. Personally I want my organs to be used - lets face it when I'm dead they're of no use to me! some one might as well live *shrug*
#26
Great govenment we have nowadays no longer asking our permission for anything but making laws to stop people smoking and wanting to make laws to force people to become organ donors.

What a police state.
#27
whats your problems? if there health organs and someone else needed it surly its a good thing?!

think if your mother dad or child needed an organ and there was non?!

SELFISH LOT!

i understand medical conditions mean people cant!
#28
how do i find out if i can or not with my condition(s)?
#29
I'm not selfish but I wouldn't donate my organs, you only have them once, unlike I've donated blood once, and been offered payment for the second time by a private health group but said no.

Though I did read somewhere, it'd be to the patients choice to not donate organs, would find the direct quote on BBC site but can't find it.
#30
jamesterror
I'm not selfish but I wouldn't donate my organs, you only have them once


You do realise when your dead they stop working right?
not raining on your belifes or anything just wondering why you use that as a reason. Your not going to need them when your gone!?!
#31
I'm a organ donor don't see the upset over it after all once I'm dead they can do what they like with my body I shall not be needing it.
#32
i must admit, i dont like the thought of giving bits of me away, but hypocritically, would rely on someone else donating for my family or myself, so that kinda puts it into perspective dosent it?
#33
[SIZE=2]I think that they should make it that everyone has to donate [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]or have opt out...[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Many people dont carry donor cards because they either dont know alot about it or just dont think they need to "it wont happen to me" or are just lazy...[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Under 18's should have parental permission til they are able to make the choice themselves...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Personally I would have not problems saying yes...[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]I think with any medical issues with a donor, they take the facts at the time from your records and if they can use something they will, obviously not risking the reciever...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Remember most donatable organs have to be used within a certain time...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]so they will only take what they can use there and then...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]They wont be cutting people up for the sake of it...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Everyone should sit and think how it would be if the shoe was on the other foot...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]If your child needed something to continue living...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Remember the life has gone from the donor...why not help the living?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]*preaching over*[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kim[/SIZE]
#34
I agree with Sir Liam :)

In a ever changing world, measures like these are essential to combat organ shortages.. If one want to be excluded, let them say so.
#35
It should be personal choice, at least if everyone has to "opt" out then it would stop relatives of the deceased having to make that decision at such a terrible time.
#36
I think this is a great idea, no one is being forced to do this they can opt out. There are loads of people in this country who would donate but just never get round to signing the register or whos family fight it after they are dead, regardless of the persons wishes. If it was an opt out system then I bet the people who did not want to donate would make sure that they opted out.

As a very soon to be nurse, I work around people on the donor list all the time, and the heartbreak that they and their families go through constantly is awful.

I give blood and am on the register, not because I love needles or particulary want to have my remains cut up but because I know that if my kids or myself were ever in this position and needed a transplant or a transfusion then I would be quick enough to take it
It truly is the gift of life.
#37
am0329
........There are loads of people in this country who would donate but just never get round to signing the register or whos family fight it after they are dead, regardless of the persons wishes....


exactly ... :)

70% want to donate but only 20% have registered !
#38
its a good idea.

there would be more people willing to donate than who wont.

and that makes it easyier to get thoese people off the register!

im waiting for my donor card :P
#39
It still isnt acceptable, just as people dont know about donor cards, people wont know ir know how to opt out, and whats to say they get killed in an accident BEFORE they opt out and their body parts are taken out.

You may say they have a choice, but they should have a choice of not having to opt out, instead of an assumption that benefits the health system.

I would hate to have my bits taken out of me, I want to be buried whole when I die, sure someone may live slightly longer but they might not, why butcher my body just for someone to live slightly longer(like George Best) who would waste that time.

Dont take what I say the wrong way, I just feel we need a better organised system plus advances in medical science just not throw organs at it willy nilly.

And of course more people would donate as they wouldnt want the hassle of opting out same as the hassle of opting in!
#40
I think that the 'opt-out if you don't want to...' is a great idea.
If anyone does believe in their organs not being used that strongly, then I'm sure that they'll register their 'opt-out' as soon as they can!

My only concern would be the possibility of lives not being saved in order to release fresh organs for transplant.

Register here :- http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/how_to_become_a_donor/how_to_become_a_donor.jsp

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