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First Car, Ideas?

DarrylJohn Avatar
5y, 7m agoPosted 5 years, 7 months ago
Looking for something that will be nippy, nowt chavvy/eccentric.

Been looking at 307's, anyone had experience with them?

Limit is 3k (Bit dodgy about this anyway, but I'll be a sensible driver, im 23 and hopefully soon to be a graduate!) So need a car to commute for job interviews if im fortunate enough.

Seen a few 307 diesels, with around 70-80k on which comes in at under my budget.

All insurance quotes are around 1600/1700 fully comp, which i still think is steep, as im 23... Id expect these prices at 17/18.

But yeah, anyone recommend any decent cars?

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1 Like #1
Youve got no NCB or actual road experience hence why the quotes are so high, im 19 with almost 2 years and minesare less than a grand for 1.6 astras.

If your looking for nippy then a diesels probably not quite what your after unless your covering tons of miles.
Corsa with 1.4 engines and upawards are fast enough as there light cars.
Clio Sports 1.5 nippy and again light and are fast enough off the line.
Ford focus 3door, for looks, get a good engine and easy maintenance aswell.

With insurance wise, id try doing pass-plus or some extra driving courses to try and bring it down
#2
Yeah I was considering pass plus, which insurance companies take this as a years ncb? if any

BTW, even if i had 3/4 years, it's still hitting a grand insurance on comparison sites.

Edited By: DarrylJohn on Apr 12, 2011 23:55
#3
None mate, it just reduces insurance as youve got experience on the different types of roads (Motorways, country roads and town driving etc)

Personally with a first car having mileage up at 80,000 after paying 3k would be quite alarming tbh, since its a first car id try not to go above a 1.4 engine, which can still be quite nippy, with lower mileage
#4
I've seen a couple 1.6's, with 68k, going for £2,500. So im hoping for this tbh
#5
Start backwards

What can you afford?

How many miles to work and back each day?
Whats the cars mpg?
How many pence per mile does that work out at?

Doing it this way will allow you to work out what you can afford weekly/monthly fuel wise, then you can start looking for cars with that mpg range that fits your budget.
#6
Corsa's will always give you engine problems.

Your best bet is a ford focus small car cheap insurance and good engine build.
#7
307's are around 55mpg combined. I'm guessing ill be doing most of my miles on the motorway though, so will possibly be high 50 low 60.

So it's gonna be around £7 per day in diesel by the looks of it?

Taking the cost of diesel (Lowest) @ 132.9, its gonna cost me £6.04p per day travel. for 55/60mile.

My first scooter use to get me around 100mile on £7. not too shabby! If only. lol

Edited By: DarrylJohn on Apr 13, 2011 00:18
1 Like #8
Skoda Fabia 1.2 htp.
#9
anewman
Skoda Fabia 1.2 htp.


Just had a look, and it's 47mpg.

A 1.6 307, is 57.3 combined which seems reasonable

Edited By: DarrylJohn on Apr 13, 2011 00:35
2 Likes #10
Fiat punto
#11
Skoda Fabia is a good choice. Also a VW Polo. Perhaps a Seat Ibiza (these 3 cars will have the same engines)
#12
I dont mind the look of ibiza's, looked at polo's for a while, but after a few looks at them in person, or passing, they look like they've reversed into a wall.

Punto's aint as good as a 307 on mpg, niether is the ford ka' (I'm not interested in one, far too small for me, 6ft), which suprised me. Under 40 them.


Edited By: DarrylJohn on Apr 13, 2011 00:57
#13
i have had a peugeot 307 in a 1.4 petrol and have loved it, they are really nice cars and very good on petrol. if you want something that looks good, is reliable, wont let you down and is good on petrol and insurance i would recommend a toyota corolla 1.4 vvti 02plate upwards. I am 22 and a young driver and this is the best car i have ever had.
#14
also remember the mpg is just an average for the particular cars, it doesn't mean that every car in that make or model will give the same mpg it all depends on the maintained of the car and how well it has been kept, each car is different as different people have owned it and has been serviced and maintained differently.
#15
Corolla is around the same price as a 307 on autotrader, but on paper lower mpg. All dif choice's ive never considered though! If it's gonna be in same price range, and miles are all around 80-100k, then I might aswell go with a 307 as I like the look of them, and noone i know has one either. lol
#16
what about a 306? and i agree should not go above 1.4 unless you go for a deisel maybe a 1.9
#17
DarrylJohn
Corolla is around the same price as a 307 on autotrader, but on paper lower mpg. All dif choice's ive never considered though! If it's gonna be in same price range, and miles are all around 80-100k, then I might aswell go with a 307 as I like the look of them, and noone i know has one either. lol


Stay away from pugs
#18
My father had a 307 2005 fault after fault, family friend had a 206 once again fault after fault Theyre nothing but trouble.
#19
DarrylJohn
anewman
Skoda Fabia 1.2 htp.


Just had a look, and it's 47mpg.

A 1.6 307, is 57.3 combined which seems reasonable

Try an insurance quote too 8) 47mpg isn't too shabby for a small petrol engine in a heavy shell like the fabia.

Edited By: anewman on Apr 13, 2011 02:02
#20
My insurance on a 1.25 Fiesta Finesse 53plate which cost £2000 is £2400 3rd party fire and theft and im 23. That's with 2 named drivers(Aunty and Grandad with 15yrs + on license).
#21
Unless you need the size, a smaller car like a Fiesta/Clio/Corsa is always going to cost you less, purchase, upkeep and insurance (if you are sensible on the model) and if you go for a diesel engine they will run happily on the motorway all day long.
My suggestion would be a Fiesta diesel, as generally any servicing/repairs are cheaper than the French cars, and Ford seem a bit more reliable than Vauxhall (someone will disagree with me soon I'm sure!)
#22
Fiat Panda 1.1 or 1.2 - not exactly nippy [but not a slug either]. 50+mpg in real use and insurance group 1 or 2. Will seat 4, and cruises on motorways at 65+ like a dream for hours.
one 3 years old should be about £3000
#23
callmejoe
Fiat Panda 1.1 or 1.2 - not exactly nippy [but not a slug either]. 50+mpg in real use and insurance group 1 or 2. Will seat 4, and cruises on motorways at 65+ like a dream for hours.
one 3 years old should be about £3000


I have to disagree, unless you enjoy thraping the engine to actually get speed and want to get up to 60 mph in less than an hour
#24
Seems as if your heart is set on the 307, but as has been said in a previous post french cars are not the most reliable, also insurance wise itll cost you a fair bit on a 1.6, whereas downgrading to a 1.2 or 1.4 would save you a bit more, which in turn means you can get more car for your money.

If your definetly planning on getting something around 70-80k on the clock then youll need to get a good check done on the car CAM belt, fan belt and since its a peugeot the clutch and the gearbox all common but a cluth or gear box is very costly, CAM belt can be fairly expensive aswell and the fan belt is an hours labour with a 30 quid part.

A fiat punto is a good car for reliable driving though not many problems that arent normal to arise with a car around that kind of age.
Although skodas seem to have a very bad image from before i was born the newer models seem to be alright and have most of the problems fixed.
A fiesta diesel would be a very good idea, didnt think of this myself tbh well done bassman and also they look quite good.
Fords are generally reliable and easy to fix with any problems that come their way


To be honest you dont know where your going to be driving to so if it turns out its only a 10 mile journey from home then a diesel will be a complete waste. when it comes to interviews you could hire a car? and keep saving for a better car.
#25
Darryl, you need to start with the very basics. I suggest you look at a few cars and then check their insurance group. This will determine the price you pay for insurance. i.e. Vauxhall corsa are group 2, where as say a peugeot with is a group 8.

Other things to consider are maintenance and taxing the car. Think about timing belt changes, parts, and the actual cost of road tax. Its a lot to consider but trust me its worth it. Also, make sure you get fully comp and 90% of all first time drivers (you may not be a first time driver but first new car and all...) do crash. its better to pay a bit more and have the insurance pick up the bill (inevitably you will be pickin up the bill after the crash but we all do it) as sometimes the car may be classed as a write off.Oh and a diesel is probably the right way to go as you dont know where your new job will be.

All the best on your job hunt.

P.s. what did you study ?
#26
DarrylJohn
Yeah I was considering pass plus, which insurance companies take this as a years ncb? if any

BTW, even if i had 3/4 years, it's still hitting a grand insurance on comparison sites.


try i-kube, its an insurance company where they place a box in your car and monitor how many miles you have said you will do but there is a curfew from 11pm - 5am but i doubt many need to drive between there anyway.
#27
Get a standard Fiesta - R reg or something along those lines. Nice, cheap and reliable.
1 Like #28
Avoid French cars, Avoid Fiat.

Ford is best bet, Cheap and reliable, Vauxhall are ok but engines like to burn oil, German and Jap motors usually reliable but you can expect to pay more on parts etc...
#29
Darryl, you need to start with the very basics. I suggest you look at a few cars and then check their insurance group. This will determine the price you pay for insurance. i.e. Vauxhall corsa are group 2, where as say a peugeot with is a group 8.

Other things to consider are maintenance and taxing the car. Think about timing belt changes, parts, and the actual cost of road tax. Its a lot to consider but trust me its worth it. Also, make sure you get fully comp and 90% of all first time drivers (you may not be a first time driver but first new car and all...) do crash. its better to pay a bit more and have the insurance pick up the bill (inevitably you will be pickin up the bill after the crash but we all do it) as sometimes the car may be classed as a write off.Oh and a diesel is probably the right way to go as you dont know where your new job will be.

Would agree with almost everything thats said there, apart from "a diesel is the right way to go"
There would be absolutley no point in getting a diesel for a 20 minute journey on normal roads, as in the mornings it will all be stop start and the fact that a diesel needs a minimum time for the engine to heat up to turn out its best MPG, so if you were to get a diesel that turns out less MPG than a petrol on these roads, its not worth the expense, also diesels can be alot harder to fix sometimes, as commonly when something goes wrong with a diesel it tends to go really wrong, due to the engine build.

But yeah inevitably the statistics are that a first time driver will crash or have a 'bump', i joined that statistic twice within a couple of months of each other, but luckily ive got a decently paid job and had savings so i could pay it off in cash.

Try for a group 3 and above insurance wise and youll hopefully see a difference, for a first car you dont need a 1.6 infact there should probably be something that says within your first 2 years of 'on road' experience you should have no more than a 1.4 engine in a car, would save many a life i think, but its a bit off topic

try i-kube, its an insurance company where they place a box in your car and monitor how many miles you have said you will do but there is a curfew from 11pm - 5am but i doubt many need to drive between there anyway.

iKubes good but now theyve put the charges for breaking the curfew up to 100 quid a time and theyll still quote relatively high for a first time driver on a 1.6 so even if you were to break it 2 or three times within a year youd of been aswell just getting the normal insurance

Edited By: DannyM on Apr 13, 2011 09:28
#30
DannyM
Darryl, you need to start with the very basics. I suggest you look at a few cars and then check their insurance group. This will determine the price you pay for insurance. i.e. Vauxhall corsa are group 2, where as say a peugeot with is a group 8.

Other things to consider are maintenance and taxing the car. Think about timing belt changes, parts, and the actual cost of road tax. Its a lot to consider but trust me its worth it. Also, make sure you get fully comp and 90% of all first time drivers (you may not be a first time driver but first new car and all...) do crash. its better to pay a bit more and have the insurance pick up the bill (inevitably you will be pickin up the bill after the crash but we all do it) as sometimes the car may be classed as a write off.Oh and a diesel is probably the right way to go as you dont know where your new job will be.

Would agree with almost everything thats said there, apart from "a diesel is the right way to go"
There would be absolutley no point in getting a diesel for a 20 minute journey on normal roads, as in the mornings it will all be stop start and the fact that a diesel needs a minimum time for the engine to heat up to turn out its best MPG, so if you were to get a diesel that turns out less MPG than a petrol on these roads, its not worth the expense, also diesels can be alot harder to fix sometimes, as commonly when something goes wrong with a diesel it tends to go really wrong, due to the engine build.

But yeah inevitably the statistics are that a first time driver will crash or have a 'bump', i joined that statistic twice within a couple of months of each other, but luckily ive got a decently paid job and had savings so i could pay it off in cash.

Try for a group 3 and above insurance wise and youll hopefully see a difference, for a first car you dont need a 1.6 infact there should probably be something that says within your first 2 years of 'on road' experience you should have no more than a 1.4 engine in a car, would save many a life i think, but its a bit off topic

i understand your point of view re the diesel but whats the odds that Darrly will have a job 20 mins from his house. Its more likely that a >40 min journey is required.

I have 2 jobs (researcher at a R&D facility and a visiting lecturer at a uni, althougt part of same job). Both jobs are over an hours drive. Also, if Darryl new job requires him to meet clients in his car then he might as well take advantage of the expenses he may receive. Finally, diesels do hold their value more than petrols.
#31
i understand your point of view re the diesel but whats the odds that Darrly will have a job 20 mins from his house. Its more likely that a >40 min journey is required.

I have 2 jobs (researcher at a R&D facility and a visiting lecturer at a uni, althougt part of same job). Both jobs are over an hours drive. Also, if Darryl new job requires him to meet clients in his car then he might as well take advantage of the expenses he may receive. Finally, diesels do hold their value more than petrols.

Same position on jobs front with you Rupz 2 jobs and some homers, both jobs are maximum 20 minute drive for me and homers are homers so cant pick and choose these.
Your right diesels do hold their value more but if persay the CAM belt were to go in a diesel, then it would be a much bigger job than in a petrol again due to engine build. Unless OP is going to do a large amount of miles and longer journeys then he should consider a pertrol engine.
#32
I've got a Seat Ibiza 1.4 and at 24 I had no NCB (after being on my mum's since I was 17). I pay £500 for 10 months with Diamond, and after the 10 months I get a year's no claims (I'm declaring business use with that too).

One interesting thing to note is who you add on. My 55 year old mum put the quote up £20 but my 28 year old boyfriend brought it down £60 (even though his own insurance went up £200 this year).
#33
I've got a Seat Ibiza 1.4 and at 24 I had no NCB (after being on my mum's since I was 17). I pay £500 for 10 months with Diamond, and after the 10 months I get a year's no claims (I'm declaring business use with that too).

Either you live in a really nice area with no crime and that or you managed to cut a deal through being on the other insurance as named driver to build up a certain amount of NCB. Also the OP is male so his will be alot higher than yours spider1986
banned#34
Fiat punto bois
#35
Avoid the used Renaults as I now know a few people who have them bought from new and 4-5 years on are all displaying electrical faults, mechanical faults are generally easy to diagnose where the fault is, electrical faults area a nightmare to pinpoint and can be very expensive to get sorted.

I reckon the pug diesel is a decent choice, looks decent, economical, and ticks the boxes.

Your biggest running costs will be insurance.

How are your mechanical skills? Insurance wise an older classic is a good bet, specialist insurance will drop the quotes costs. Even a classic (but sporty) jag is cheaper than a fairly bog standard Fiesta for one guy I know on a 1 years NCB (£550 compared to £1200) Choose wisely and you will see no depreciation in value too and may even see a profit when it comes to sell. The lower insurance may even
#36
DannyM
I've got a Seat Ibiza 1.4 and at 24 I had no NCB (after being on my mum's since I was 17). I pay £500 for 10 months with Diamond, and after the 10 months I get a year's no claims (I'm declaring business use with that too).


Either you live in a really nice area with no crime and that or you managed to cut a deal through being on the other insurance as named driver to build up a certain amount of NCB. Also the OP is male so his will be alot higher than yours spider1986


I'll give you the being female, but I wouldn't say my area is particularly 'nice' and I certainly didn't 'cut a deal', I bought online without even speaking to anyone at my insurance provider. As far as they're concerned I have no NCB.

In comparison with the OP, I looked at 307s, Corsas, Puntos and Clios and the insurance for the Ibiza was cheaper than them all.
#37
I would go for a toyota. My girlfriend had a clio (57 plate) and it had electrical problems because the shape allows leaves and water to easily enter the bonnet. The Renault dealer said they have a problem with the design. Therefore, I would avoid! She's now moved to a Toyota Yaris, a new shape. I have the old shape (02 plate) and never had problems with it.
#38
I'm studying ICT. I'm wanting to go into systems design type area ideally. Or just general ict graduate schemes. Applied for nissan in sunderland, which is a 60 mile round trip.

I've priced up lots of cars, and a citroen c3/c4 was the cheapest I've had, car was bang on 3k too. If I get a job, I won't worry about prices, I'm really good with budgeting. Being a sudent certainly helped me in that area of independancy.

My mate does all his own car fixes. So could get him to fix mine, on the odd occasion!

I've not seen many cars I like tbh, your right about crashing. Ill have a couple more driving lessons or pass plus to get my confidence up as its useless atm! Been passed for 3 half year, not driven since the day I passed..

Edited By: DarrylJohn on Apr 13, 2011 11:32: .
#39
I've not seen many cars I like tbh, your right about crashing. Ill have a couple more driving lessons or pass plus to get my confidence up as its useless atm! Been passed for 3 half year, not driven since the day I passed..

Wont be able to do driving lessons lol, insurance for they cars only cover people with provisionals, hence why you cant drive back from your test after passing.
Pass plus is definetly a good idea and dont just jump in with the first car you see could be a big mistake.

Best of luck on the job front :)
#40
I bought a 1600cc 307 2006 estate diesel 58000 miles on the clock. I bought it from a garage on the internet 18 months ago and got a relation to pick it up for me as i was still living in Turkey but coming home. It is about the best car i have ever had, not a single problem give it an oil change when the car tells you to. p.s the best car i ever had was a Ford Scorpio Ultima 2.9 but that was a thirsty beast but class.

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