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Fixed penalty notice for jumping a red light!!!

karaokecolin Avatar
8y, 3w agoPosted 8 years, 3 weeks ago
I got a letter through the door today - saying on 26th November I jumped a flipping red light on a main road near where i live.

The letter says I have ignored the initial letter they sent me & this is a final chance for me to sort it or they will issue a summons.

Now, the thing is, I don't remember being at the place at the time but as it's only me who drives the car, I guess it must have been. It was at 10pm on a Friday nigt & I am either working a gig then or at home. I don't go out driving at that time on a Friday night normally.

Secondly, I never got the first letter so I don't even know what the penalty etc is. This 2nd letter doesnt state it either so how do I know whether it's acceptable or not???

Any advice guys cos I've never had one of these before being the oh-so-good law-abiding citizen angel-type that I am.
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8y, 3w agoPosted 8 years, 3 weeks ago
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#1
Oh! Naughty you!
#2
ask them for proof,
#3
You might be able to request a photo to establish that it was your car and that it was you who was driving. Also try explaining that you didn't get the first letter. Might not work but may be worth the ask!
#4
adp
Oh! Naughty you!


I can see the headlines now-

"Good-looking karaokedude commits crime of the century in vectra."
#5
karaokecolin
I can see the headlines now-

"Good-looking karaokedude commits crime of the century in vectra."

lol
#6
It took me 20 years before I got a speeding ticket, LOL, just got to put it down to experince!
#7
Cheers guys - I will drop 'em a letter & give 'em a piece-a-ma-mind!!
#8
Your initial letter would have just been a notice of intended prosecution - it would not have stated the penalty either, I doubt. If it is a place you could have been and your car was not stolen that night, I think you will need to think carefully about whether it was you.

The first letter probably just went missing.
#9
I thought the 26th of November was a Wednesday not a Friday, is that their mistake or yours.You could get out of it on a technicality
#10
ask for a photo proof. This happened to my hubby and when they sent the photo is was a completely different car from his but with the same number plate! Always worth a try. If you get the photo and it is you just put it down to experience!
#11
[SIZE="4"][FONT="Century Gothic"]You can get it down to paying only £50 easily enough. Just fill in back of slip and appeal against not receiving the intial PCN/Letter. They will then write back and give you 2 weeks to pay the intial £50 once again.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[mod]#12
Have a look here
http://www.speedcamerasinfo.co.uk/2.html
Hope it's some use.

And the 26th November was a Weds.

Have a look at appealnow.com they generally deal with parking fines but they are about the best of the best of the best when it comes to screwing the bastords who try to screw us for the odd driving error
#13
Thanks for all the above advice guys - I'm checking the date on the letter & I'm gonna ask for evidene because if it was a Friday nigt, I have been at gigs according to my diary most friday's so it does seem a bit strange.

I also thought these things flashed? - I know where the junction/camera is but I just don't remeber ever being flashed there at anytime, never mind recently.
#14
Ask them for proof. Last time that I had dealt with LB of Kengsinton and Chelsea 4 years ago they sent penalty notice stating that they had the photo evidence and if I did not pay immediately the fine would be doubled so I took a gamble and went for the doubled fine if I were wrong and ask for the evidence. When I asked for it , the explanation that came was that the handheld computer that the traffic warden had used had failed and the evidence could be sent to me and they dropped the case. The reason that I gambled on the double fine versus nothing was that when I surfed on the internet I found out that a TV documentary was done several months before on TV with hidden camera on the traffic wardens who worked for The LB Kensington and Chelsea. They were found to be scamming the motorists with fabricated evidence. Several months later when they (local government) supposed to have lesson's learnt from the TV exposé, my case was yet another bold penalty notice with no evidence when challenged.
#15
karaokecolin
Thanks for all the above advice guys - I'm checking the date on the letter & I'm gonna ask for evidene because if it was a Friday nigt, I have been at gigs according to my diary most friday's so it does seem a bit strange.

I also thought these things flashed? - I know where the junction/camera is but I just don't remeber ever being flashed there at anytime, never mind recently.


Like previous posts say 26 november was a wednesday not a friday if letter states friday 26 november youmay have a case for dismissal. however ifletter just states 26 november you have to pay im afraid.
#16
karaokecolin
Thanks for all the above advice guys - I'm checking the date on the letter & I'm gonna ask for evidene because if it was a Friday nigt, I have been at gigs according to my diary most friday's so it does seem a bit strange.

I also thought these things flashed? - I know where the junction/camera is but I just don't remeber ever being flashed there at anytime, never mind recently.


If you were right then demand an inquiry as to how mistakes could happen. These senior white collar management staff are incented by huge bonus on target achievements and they behave in exactly the same way that drove the white collar bankers into losing trillions of pounds in return for personal bonuses.
#17
karaokecolin


I also thought these things flashed? - I know where the junction/camera is but I just don't remeber ever being flashed there at anytime, never mind recently.


infrared cameras dont flash ! id be more concerned about the points ! yeah get the pic and see if it is you and your car ! if you do happen to let others drive your car on the odd occassion and you cant tell from the pic if its you or someone else :whistling:, they cant convict :thumbsup:

also how far is your car before / in the junction when the light turned red ? couldve been more dangerous to stop !

yeah you need the pic
#18
#19


is this for real because ive just put my reg in and apparently I aws doing 37.9 in a 30 on christmas day in Cambridge!!!! I live in Nottingham and did not drive my car on 24th 25th and 26th dec. Am very alarmed, what should I do?? Phone police??
#20
michelleleemoo;3903528
is this for real because ive just put my reg in and apparently I aws doing 37.9 in a 30 on christmas day in Cambridge!!!! I live in Nottingham and did not drive my car on 24th 25th and 26th dec. Am very alarmed, what should I do?? Phone police??

No it's not. Immaturity on these boards:whistling:.
#21
swine bags:w00t: Am I a twit for falling for it? :oops:
#22
michelleleemoo
is this for real because ive just put my reg in and apparently I aws doing 37.9 in a 30 on christmas day in Cambridge!!!! I live in Nottingham and did not drive my car on 24th 25th and 26th dec. Am very alarmed, what should I do?? Phone police??


Nah, it's a scam. Legit websites know where to use apostrophies, and if you check the car numberplates listed at http://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/cars-vans-motorbikes-for-sale_522_1.html , you'll find that near enough every one of those cars was clocked at something over the limit in Cornwall on christmas day.
#23
michelleleemoo;3903540
swine bags:w00t: Am I a twit for falling for it? :oops:

im sorry i couldnt resist !

you can "view the photo" too :)
#24
Have viewed photo and that face defo looks like its been speeding:-D (no offence meant)
#25
I'd highly recommend you stop right now and head over to http://forums.pepipoo.com - those guys know the system extremely well and can give you accurate and useful advice.

John
#26
Sorry Col. I'm seriously drunk on Whisky so I have only one piece of advice - to PM ADZ1478 who is a cop and, surprisingly seems like a good guy for some advice..

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banned#27
geedub;3903247
infrared cameras dont flash ! id be more concerned about the points ! yeah get the pic and see if it is you and your car ! if you do happen to let others drive your car on the odd occassion and you cant tell from the pic if its you or someone else :whistling:, they cant convict :thumbsup:

also how far is your car before / in the junction when the light turned red ? couldve been more dangerous to stop !

yeah you need the pic

Utter rubbish. They wont have a pic of who is driving as the camera points at the rear of the car! :whistling:
#28
csiman;3903906
Utter rubbish. They wont have a pic of who is driving as the camera points at the rear of the car! :whistling:

Maybe not if its a red light? cause from behind it can't see how close to the white line you are?
#29
Bear in mind also that there are now many instances of cloned (copied) number plates, particularly around London.
Essential you check a photo of the car. I believe that they have 14 days to let you know of the offence - if they don't I suspect they claim they have previously written within that time - not a lot you can do about it.
banned#30
t0mm;3903918
Maybe not if its a red light? cause from behind it can't see how close to the white line you are?

well it cant take it from the front as you wont have jumped the light by the time it takes a picture.
#31
November??? I thought they had 14 days to send you a letter? ...if they can prove they sent something out, that may be worth arguing, but otherwise, a photo of said crime, would be a start :)
#32
newbie1001
I thought the 26th of November was a Wednesday not a Friday, is that their mistake or yours.You could get out of it on a technicality


No such thing, they will adjust the date and you will still get punished.

http://www.roadsidelawyer.co.uk/questions

Instead of just reading a load of myths and rumours about the law try the site above, run by people that know it.
#33
26th December was a friday night. Maybe they got the month wrong on the letter. Don't know what the implications of that would be then. Does that make it invalid?
#34
another thing can you be 100% sure your car couldnt of been cloned (ok a very slim chance as its on a road you say you no and use) but it could happen
#35
After the offence occurs the police have 14 days to send a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) to the registered owner of the vehicle which may not always be the driver, if the car is leased the first NIP goes to the lease company. This NIP is combined with a section 172 notice which requests the details of the driver at the time, if the registered owner isn't the driver then they fill out the details and the police will send out a new NIP to this person - there is no time requirement for subsequent NIPs.

Once you rececive a NIP in your name you have to fill out who was driving at the time, you may request photos to assist with the identification of the driver which the police will normally supply but they don't actually have to. The only time they have to hand over the evidence is if it goes to court and you're pleading not guilty.

If you don't supply the police with this information then you will be summoned to court for 'failure to furnish', if found guilty this carries six penalty points and a hefty fine. If you genuinely don't know who was driving then you have to prove to the court you used reasonable diligence in trying to work it out.

You need to be very careful as it sounds like you're still at the stage of being requested to provide driver information, if you don't reply in time you'll be hit for not providing the information rather than the red light offence which itself carries three points and a 60 pound fine which is less than the penalty for failing to furnish. If there is some doubt about you being there at the time you can request photos to assist in identifying the driver however don't use the term evidence, you need to be aware though that this doesn't stop the timer for you responding with the driver details.

John
#36
I Agree with John, if you contact the issuing office for the NIP they will provide you with a Photo, are you the registered keeper of the car, if not this will explain the delay in the notice arriving.
I had a similar notice for a car I had, the offence was in London, it transpired it was a cloned car, I had never been to London and I was able to proove that I hadnt been there, when i got the Photo the car was exactly the same as mine apart from some silver trim on the bumper. It is scary how many cloned cars there are on the road at the moment and how many sets of number plates are being stolen to avoid ANPR cameras.
Make sure you provide the information, even if there is doubt but send a letter in as well explaining that as far as you are aware the vehicle was elsewhere if that was the case, If there is any doubt the case will be discontinued as it is not cost effective to prosecute in these cases.
Hope you get sorted and all the best for the new year.
#37
Y Do Speed Cameras Look So Evil?

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