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For Sale, modded Wii, XBOX 360 and PS2 with 'extras' - wink wink! £1,000,000.00

woodrowwyatt Avatar
8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
Ah...good, I have your attention!

For quite some time I've been giggling at some of the posters on here who enjoy playing 'little snitch' when it comes to selling modded consoles.

I find it funny that most people on here think it's OK (me too by the way!) to sell modded consoles but as soon as the mere hint of backups is implied they go into moral overdrive and go running for the nearest mod.

Let's be totally brutally honest about this... selling mod chips/flashed hardware/etc is illegal, yes it's a very-murky-grey illegal, but still dodgy none-the-less. Just as illegal as selling 'backups'. But hey, that's OK, because it's a grey illegal and not a black and white illegal it's OK.

EVERYBODY knows what happens when you buy a modded console or R4 card or PSP with custom firmware, but nobody cares.... It's only when you throw in a backup that the heavies are called in and the thread gets pulled. If this site is promoting NOT selling illegal goods then surely mod chips/R4's/flashed firmware fall into this category. It seems a bit daft allowing the sale of something dodgy which actually encourages further illegal activity but being hounded as the scum of the earth for selling a backup.

I know I'll take a lot of abuse here, but come on guys...either allow mod chips and everything that comes with it, or say NO to the lot, there really is no inbetween ground here (and don't go spouting sh!te about the homebrew scene, etc, you know what you do with your flashed XBOX!).

Anyway, rant over and sorry guys I have no goodies for sale, just wanted to make a point after seeing the back-up police in action again earlier!

Cheers!

WW
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8y, 3m agoPosted 8 years, 3 months ago
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#1
should be in misc dude, for people to chat about it, but the messy grey area is actually quite clear, u modd an xbox, psp, buy an R4, yes WE ALL KNOW what they will be used for, but the legal part in terms of when someone can get told off, is actually owning illegally copied media, as the modifications to something you own (ie the console) isnt actually illegal. but owning backups of games, music etc IS
#2
it's illegal to sell a mod chip too not only the back-ed up media
banned#3
i agree with him and think that back-up media should be allowed to be sold on here :D
#4
...and who expired this! This is an outrage!

WW
#5
I just think you might aswell scrap modded consoles altogether. You wanna keep it legal? Just sell on here what they sell in regular shops - regular consoles.
#6
king1gazza
i agree with him and think that back-up media should be allowed to be sold on here :D


I think it should be all or nothing, lets face it both sides of the coin are dodgy!

WW
banned#7
woodrowwyatt
it's illegal to sell a mod chip too not only the back-ed up media


spot on woodrow
I agree
#8
woodrowwyatt
it's illegal to sell a mod chip too not only the back-ed up media


that is true, but it is not illegal to own one!:thumbsup:
#9
DudeyGeeza
that is true, but it is not illegal to own one!:thumbsup:


yep, but the point is I ain't seen no-one give one away!
[admin]#10
Moved to misc
#11
juliet_bravo
Moved to misc


Sorry boss, just wanted to maximise exposure... Feel free to spank me!

WW
#12
woodrowwyatt
yep, but the point is I ain't seen no-one give one away!


I know what your point is dude, trouble is how the law is written, so thats why sites like this need to stick to the letter or may be "responsible" for promoting the sale of copyrighted media etc. Modified consoles have no law against them, no law about selling one, modchips maybe but they can be purchased overseas and used to modify the console which doesnt make that console illegal.
banned#13
hukd allow the sale of modded consoles, but not of copied media, its in hukd rules, and as this is hukd then we have to abide by them said rules i guess
#14
DudeyGeeza
I know what your point is dude, trouble is how the law is written, so thats why sites like this need to stick to the letter or may be "responsible" for promoting the sale of copyrighted media etc. Modified consoles have no law against them, no law about selling one, modchips maybe but they can be purchased overseas and used to modify the console which doesnt make that console illegal.


But then reselling the console PLUS chip/mod/whatever, where do you stand then? It just makes me laugh that people see no wrong in the mod chip but wrong in the associated copied media. I think HUKD needs to be totally clear, I agree but it's about as clear as mud this whole topic, the responsible thing would be to pull the plug on the whole lot!

WW
#15
sassie
hukd allow the sale of modded consoles, but not of copied media, its in hukd rules, and as this is hukd then we have to abide by them said rules i guess


but both are illegal really aren't they, grey as I said, but still a bit wrong?
banned#16
woodrowwyatt
but both are illegal really aren't they, grey as I said, but still a bit wrong?


as far as i know modded consoles are not illegal, copied media is
#17
sassie
as far as i know modded consoles are not illegal, copied media is


it's a minefield, selling a mod chip is illegal, so does that mean selling a console with a mod chip is too?

ww
#18
woodrowwyatt
But then reselling the console PLUS chip/mod/whatever, where do you stand then? It just makes me laugh that people see no wrong in the mod chip but wrong in the associated copied media. I think HUKD needs to be totally clear, I agree but it's about as clear as mud this whole topic, the responsible thing would be to pull the plug on the whole lot!

WW


The console can be used to use your own backups lol we all know it's not going to be, well maybe a few.. so there is no law against that. Owning backups of media that has been copyrighted is illegal if you dont own the original, you cannot sell backups even if the original is being sold with it.

The media is copyrighted to stop 1 being bought, stuck on a torrent site and shared to the rest of the world, (hmm we all know that happens already) but if only 1 were sold, then there would be no point in making movies, singing songs, as you'd make no money..
#19
Neither selling or owning modchips is illegal, a precedent was set when mrmodchips had 26 charges against him quashed in a legal case, http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47710

An online retailer who imported mod chips from Hong Kong to allow overseas and copied games to be played on consoles walked free from court yesterday, opening up the possibility that modding may now be legal in the UK.


Neil Higgs, who runs Web site MrModChips, was facing the possibility of up to two years in jail for importing and selling the chips since 2002. The 38-year-old operated his business from his parents' home in Bristol and sold both pre-modded consoles and the chips themselves.

According to Team Xecuter, "the granting of this appeal based on the argument that the copyright infringement has already taken place before the use of a mod chip has resulted in the squashing of all 26 counts." The appeal was heard by Judge Justice Jacobs.

The MrModChips Web site currently has a picture of former British prime minister Winston Churchill making the victory sign and the word "Victory!" Higgs also thanked his legal team and well wishers for their support during his case.

GameSpot confirmed with the Court of Appeal Criminal Division that the counts against Higgs had been quashed.

The verdict of the appeals case follows one in Australia, which legalized mod chips in the country back in 2002, when Sony lost its legal battle to sue a seller. Judge Ronald Sackville declared that the mod chips did not violate Australian laws forbidding circumventing "technological protection measures," as they also prevented legal activity including playing backup and imported games.
#20
as with the above reply i was going to say the same thing hardware is not the issue
its like adding nitrous to your car its not illegal but it is if you use it on the roads ..


also most modders use the chips for media centres or just region free there are many things a chip can do

SO GET OFF YA HIGH HORSE !!!!!
#21
woodrowwyatt
but both are illegal really aren't they, grey as I said, but still a bit wrong?

I think charging £30//£40/£50 for a computer game is WRONG and yet there are no laws against them are there ?

If the software companies reduced the price of their games to something a little less extortionate then the black market would most certainly die a natural death.

IMO it is equally as WRONG to charge extortionate prices for games as it is to own copies. For people that cannot afford to pay these silly prices for games then I can fully understand why they would go for a £3/£4 copy rather than a £30/£40 original they cannot afford as the only other alternative would be simply doing without.

Software companies claim they lose billions from software piracy ..... rubish !! The people out there buying copies are probably highly unlikely to be splashing out ridiculous amounts on original games , many simply couldnt afford to anyway so this claim is just silly !!
#22
I don't really see what the problem is here - modded consoles in themselves are not inherently illegal whereas selling burnt copies of games is very much illegal.

John
#23
rooney10;2914650
I think charging £30//£40/£50 for a computer game is WRONG and yet there are no laws against them are there ?

If the software companies reduced the price of their games to something a little less extortionate then the black market would most certainly die a natural death.

IMO it is equally as WRONG to charge extortionate prices for games as it is to own copies. For people that cannot afford to pay these silly prices for games then I can fully understand why they would go for a £3/£4 copy rather than a £30/£40 original they cannot afford as the only other alternative would be simply doing without.

Software companies claim they lose billions from software piracy ..... rubish !! The people out there buying copies are probably highly unlikely to be splashing out ridiculous amounts on original games , many simply couldnt afford to anyway so this claim is just silly !!


Companies are already struggling on current game prices, I think they're actually surprisingly low given they've not really gone up from the PS2/Xbox prices. Developing a current generation game takes an incredible amount of resources compared to previous generation, much more development time, far larger teams and still all the expensive development hardware.

Some companies have experimented with releasing games at cut prices but the response has been a mixed bag and on the whole this approach has now been abandoned. Why pay anything for a game you can download for free? For many it doesn't matter whether it's 20, 30, 40, 50 pounds or whatever.

John
banned#24
rooney10

IMO it is equally as WRONG to charge extortionate prices for games as it is to own copies. For people that cannot afford to pay these silly prices for games then I can fully understand why they would go for a £3/£4 copy rather than a £30/£40 original they cannot afford as the only other alternative would be simply doing without.


I can't afford a porsche, by your reasoning its ok for me to pay a car thief a few hundred quid to go and steal me one as otherwise I would do without?

A few years ago people used the same argument with dvds, £20 is too much, if they were around a tenner no one would download them. Yeah, no one downloads them now do they? Even though you can get most for around that price.
#25
colinsunderland;2915217
I can't afford a porsche, by your reasoning its ok for me to pay a car thief a few hundred quid to go and steal me one as otherwise I would do without?

I see your point but a Porsche is an individuals private possession whereas a game is just a collection of bits and bytes ripped from a disc and distributed by the internet that when put together form the game, most games would not be bought either way regardless of legal or pirated. So with a pirated game what is stolen? The odd sales are lost undoubtedly but in my case if it was pay shop prices or have no game/console at all it would be the latter so if I do **ahem*cough*cough** theoreticaly play copied games then no-one is osing out in anyway shape or form.

The same with music most of the bands in my collection I would have never heard of, but by playing their tracks from a weekly collection I get to listen to new bands that I otherwise wouldn't have done and may even gain them sales through recommendation of them:thumbsup:

Yes its illegal, but it cannot be compared with stealing someones Porsche, anyway if you drive a stolen Porsché you will most likely be caught and busted, buying pirated games you most likely wont.
banned#26
harlzter
I see your point but a Porsche is an individuals private possession whereas a game is just a collection of bits and bytes ripped from a disc and distributed by the internet that when put together form the game, most games would not be bought either way regardless of legal or pirated. So with a pirated game what is stolen? The odd sales are lost undoubtedly but in my case if it was pay shop prices or have no game/console at all it would be the latter so if I do **ahem*cough*cough** theoreticaly play copied games then no-one is osing out in anyway shape or form.

The same with music most of the bands in my collection I would have never heard of, but by playing their tracks from a weekly collection I get to listen to new bands that I otherwise wouldn't have done and may even gain them sales through recommendation of them:thumbsup:

Yes its illegal, but it cannot be compared with stealing someones Porsche, anyway if you drive a stolen Porsché you will most likely be caught and busted, buying pirated games you most likely wont.


You most definately won't as it isn't a criminal act to buy them or use them :thumbsup:
#27
colinsunderland;2915533
You most definately won't as it isn't a criminal act to buy them or use them :thumbsup:

You can get caught and busted buying them but they wont follow this up, its the seller they would go for.:thumbsup:

We had the police round after being hassled by a neighbour and he saw a copy of a film on our table and actually asked if I'd run him a copy off the cheeky sod!


So you do concede that comparing pirated media to a stolen Porsche is a poor analogy?:p:-D
banned#28
harlzter
You can get caught and busted buying them but they wont follow this up, its the seller they would go for.:thumbsup:

We had the police round after being hassled by a neighbour and he saw a copy of a film on our table and actually asked if I'd run him a copy off the cheeky sod!


So you do concede that comparing pirated media to a stolen Porsche is a poor analogy?:p:-D


not really, you are stealing either way. Its an extreme example but remember I was replying to the comment that said I can fully understand why they would go for a £3/£4 copy rather than a £30/£40 original they cannot afford as the only other alternative would be simply doing without. - I was just pointing out, just because you can't afford something doesn't mean you should be able to steal it (and it is theft, the law defines it as copyright theft)

You can't get caught or busted for buying as its not illegal, check the law :thumbsup:

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