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I believe when something's not broke,you don't fix it. I also (most of the time) believe in "better the devil you know"). So what I want to know is................................ When you guys vot… Read More
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2y, 10m agoPosted 2 years, 10 months ago
I believe when something's not broke,you don't fix it.
I also (most of the time) believe in "better the devil you know").
So what I want to know is................................
When you guys vote YES to Scottish Independence & if we do become Independent & if the Country then sinks to it's knees...........Will you YES voters compensate me & my family ?
Thought not !!
BTW: All Politicians will tell you any old tat to gain a vote & help bulge their own wallet.
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2y, 10m agoPosted 2 years, 10 months ago
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2 Likes #1
Why can't we non Scottish peons have a vote too? A yes vote would affect us all.
#2
You are assuming that people don't see things that are broken.. i for one see alot of broken things.

like one conservative mp in scotland and yet uk government is controlled by conservatives, will i be compensated for this??? suck it up if who ever wins everyone will have to work to make it work..

I want my vote to fix local things and the people I vote for in my country to represent that.

why have the devil you know, its a loveless marriage and sometimes things need to be refreshed or a new start to make something better.

lots of countries have left Westminster rule and are doing very well so if the scottish people want to try it then I am up for the future and the challenge.

Things in life change be it good or bad no point coasting the same.
3 Likes #3
I'm worried about Porridge oats and Whiskey going up if they get the Yes vote...
2 Likes #4
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.
3 Likes #5
justanothercid
You are assuming that people don't see things that are broken.. i for one see alot of broken things.

like one conservative mp in scotland and yet uk government is controlled by conservatives, will i be compensated for this??? suck it up if who ever wins everyone will have to work to make it work..

I want my vote to fix local things and the people I vote for in my country to represent that.

why have the devil you know, its a loveless marriage and sometimes things need to be refreshed or a new start to make something better.

lots of countries have left Westminster rule and are doing very well so if the scottish people want to try it then I am up for the future and the challenge.

Things in life change be it good or bad no point coasting the same.
So what happens if we become like say Greece ?
We all have no jobs & people like Alex Salmond who has already be proven to tell lies,will be all the richer for it.
It's not a gamble for the politicians as they can only gain from the Yes vote,but you & I could end up seriously worse off.
You also say you see it as broke,but we still have jobs,no water rates,free prescriptions etc etc unlike England & so we do all right in my opinion.
I myself love a gamble,but don't fancy a gamble with my children's future based on a greedy politicians views.
2 Likes #6
norville555
I'm worried about Porridge oats and Whiskey going up if they get the Yes vote...

Tunnocks caramel wafers and irn bru too
#7
WheresMeNuts
justanothercid
You are assuming that people don't see things that are broken.. i for one see alot of broken things.

like one conservative mp in scotland and yet uk government is controlled by conservatives, will i be compensated for this??? suck it up if who ever wins everyone will have to work to make it work..

I want my vote to fix local things and the people I vote for in my country to represent that.

why have the devil you know, its a loveless marriage and sometimes things need to be refreshed or a new start to make something better.

lots of countries have left Westminster rule and are doing very well so if the scottish people want to try it then I am up for the future and the challenge.

Things in life change be it good or bad no point coasting the same.
So what happens if we become like say Greece ?
We all have no jobs & people like Alex Salmond who has already be proven to tell lies,will be all the richer for it.
It's not a gamble for the politicians as they can only gain from the Yes vote,but you & I could end up seriously worse off.
You also say you see it as broke,but we still have jobs,no water rates,free prescriptions etc etc unlike England & so we do all right in my opinion.
I myself love a gamble,but don't fancy a gamble with my children's future based on a greedy politicians views.

The main issue in both our comments refer to one specific detail

politicians

need we say more?
banned 1 Like #8
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

this is exactly it. everything seems londonised....
#9
dont worry too much nuts it isnt going to happen
banned 1 Like #10
Scottish politicians are useless.

Tram system
Parliament building

Things will not improve if the vote is Yes.

say no more
4 Likes #11
I think it's great that there is lots of coverage on the news about the upcoming vote in Scotland for independence.

Because every ****** I've ever tried paying with a Scottish note seemed to be under the impression it happened years ago!.
1 Like #12
I want a government for England why can't we have our own parliament that scots and cornish and welsh can't vote in. Why cant every area have devolution yet also be united as a country in matters such as defence. A united states of the UK.
1 Like #13
The choice is easy do you want a devolved parliament that can implement your own budget? Or, an independent Scotland, that has it budget set from Europe and have to use the Euro. This is the choice Europe is giving new members and Scotland will be a new member because Spain will not authorise Scotland remaining in Europe as an autonomous country due to their problems with independence and Catalonia.
2 Likes #14
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.
#15
DarkEnergy2012


if the worst happens just move to Berwick...or Shetland :D

where do you think shetland is going?? Shetland is remaining part of scotland.

Listen I am happy to say I am voting yes i have my reasons and hope it will be better than it is just now. may history judge me for it.

with a no vote in 5 years time the UK as a whole may be taken into another war no one knows the future.

a few things i do know.

roads in the UK are built to a UK standard sadly that standard doesnt take into account the additional climate within scotland and so many roads are not fit for purpose.

if scotland needs to replicate whitehall services then scotland will have its own dvla and passport office creating more jobs not less or we could outsource to india.

end of the data vote the way that you can live with win or lose work towards a better scotland.

on the flip side if scotland had voted for independence last time 20 years of thatcher would have been avoided and that could have or could have not been a good thing.
#16
justanothercid
DarkEnergy2012


if the worst happens just move to Berwick...or Shetland :D

where do you think shetland is going?? Shetland is remaining part of scotland.


You need to read up on your political news, if your vote is successful, Shetland has no intention of remaining part of Scotland, they see themselves already as independent and closer to Norway than any of you lot.
That will totally wreck your precious Scoland then cos if they go the oil goes with them.
#17
The oil is in the north sea off coast of aberdeen. and if he doesnt wanna be in an independent scotland he is less likely to want to be in shetland as well.

Anyway as said vote for what you can live with and work hard no matter the outcome and everything else will work out in the long run.
1 Like #18
Why can't the North, as in not Scotland, also vote for independance? The North/South divide is so obvious and most up here did not vote these prats in. Certain areas that are known to be Labour/Conserative/All the rest, should be ran as they want imo. What is good for some areas of the country is not always good for the rest.
As for whoever mentioned above about England ending up in war, I certainly don't want that as much as they don't, so why, if a prat I did not vote in, causes us to getting involved in any wars, will my family and I be at risk? Then again, look at Tony Blair. Truth is, we can't win. Normal working class people should be politicians, not toffee nosed, stuck up morons that don't listen to anyone but themselves.
2 Likes #19
Error440
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.

Why not look for a job outside the city/up North? I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, but maybe it's worth considering?
1 Like #20
philphil61

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

A polite and respectful opinion - nice to see some are capable of it :)
2 Likes #21
hocka
Why can't the North, as in not Scotland, also vote for independance? The North/South divide is so obvious and most up here did not vote these prats in. Certain areas that are known to be Labour/Conserative/All the rest, should be ran as they want imo. What is good for some areas of the country is not always good for the rest.
As for whoever mentioned above about England ending up in war, I certainly don't want that as much as they don't, so why, if a prat I did not vote in, causes us to getting involved in any wars, will my family and I be at risk? Then again, look at Tony Blair. Truth is, we can't win. Normal working class people should be politicians, not toffee nosed, stuck up morons that don't listen to anyone but themselves.

Yeah politics is the stomping ground of the self serving rich, doesn't matter who you vote they are all the same and if they are new and go in with good intentions they soon get corrupted and out of touch just like all the rest
#22
jaybear88
Error440
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.

Why not look for a job outside the city/up North? I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, but maybe it's worth considering?

The reason I didn't give a similar response is the fact of differences in average wage and actual vacancies

Yes the economics of the UK (jobless figures down) are better according to the coalition - yeah I believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden too

I don't want to stray off topic but wouldn't it be better for the UK population, as a whole, if the migrants were sent packing, illegal immigrants were kicked out then more jobs would be available, more housing would be available, less waiting for medical appointments/treatment, have better options for your children's education and lessen the welfare budget?
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#24
philphil61
jaybear88
Error440
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.

Why not look for a job outside the city/up North? I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, but maybe it's worth considering?

The reason I didn't give a similar response is the fact of differences in average wage and actual vacancies

Yes the economics of the UK (jobless figures down) are better according to the coalition - yeah I believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden too

I don't want to stray off topic but wouldn't it be better for the UK population, as a whole, if the migrants were sent packing, illegal immigrants were kicked out then more jobs would be available, more housing would be available, less waiting for medical appointments/treatment, have better options for your children's education and lessen the welfare budget?

There's a slight flaw in your fantasy world - 26% of doctors working in the NHS are foreign nationals. I don't think the NHS would cope very well with such a shortage of doctors, in fact it relies on immigrants. I think you are kidding yourself if you think that foreign migrants are the cause of all our woes.

Edited By: boohai on Jul 23, 2014 18:34
#25
boohai
philphil61
jaybear88
Error440
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.

Why not look for a job outside the city/up North? I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, but maybe it's worth considering?

The reason I didn't give a similar response is the fact of differences in average wage and actual vacancies

Yes the economics of the UK (jobless figures down) are better according to the coalition - yeah I believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden too

I don't want to stray off topic but wouldn't it be better for the UK population, as a whole, if the migrants were sent packing, illegal immigrants were kicked out then more jobs would be available, more housing would be available, less waiting for medical appointments/treatment, have better options for your children's education and lessen the welfare budget?

There's a slight flaw in your fantasy world - 26% of doctors working in the NHS are foreign nationals. I don't think the NHS would cope very will with such a shortage of doctors, in fact it relies on immigrants. I think you are kidding yourself if you think that foreign migrants are the cause of all our woes.

You are picking at straws again. I've previously stated in other threads - if there is a vacancy for a specialised person (ie a shortage) then I do not consider these immigrants to be costing the welfare benefit but actually paying taxes and spending in the UK economy.

My target were those that have no work, work at lower than National Minimum Wage, those that are employed by their own (ie Polish employing Polish)

Does that now satisfy your comment?

And would it not be beneficial to the economy if the government spent more on training our own doctors? oh wait our own doctors get offered higher private pay by foreign countries so they get tempted to leave the UK after spending all those years training and then we have a shortfall of doctors!

Edited By: philphil61 on Jul 23, 2014 18:40
#26
I thought we had a lot of medical students who can't find hospitals that will take them on?
#27
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justanothercid
DarkEnergy2012


if the worst happens just move to Berwick...or Shetland :D

where do you think shetland is going?? Shetland is remaining part of scotland.


You need to read up on your political news, if your vote is successful, Shetland has no intention of remaining part of Scotland, they see themselves already as independent and closer to Norway than any of you lot.
That will totally wreck your precious Scoland then cos if they go the oil goes with them.
You need to stop reading whatever "political news" you're reading. X)

The couple of Shetlanders they dug up to express such opinions do not speak for all Shetlanders.
#28
Error440
I want a government for England why can't we have our own parliament that scots and cornish and welsh can't vote in. Why cant every area have devolution yet also be united as a country in matters such as defence. A united states of the UK.
If that's what the English want then they need to vote for it when given the opportunity, instead of voting against it in a 78% landslide (_;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_England_devolution_referendums,_2004
#29
BigDave
Why can't we non Scottish peons have a vote too? A yes vote would affect us all.
800,000 of you English folks living in Scotland have the vote,thats 20% of the vote,what more do you want ?
3 Likes #30
Error440
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.
You guys are being taken for a ride in the belief everyones happy because their houses are going up in value. Your Billionaire landowners are getting richer and fatter on the backs of your toil. That why mass immigration is encouraged so rents can be ramped up making them richer and you guys poorer and angrier.
Many Scots and Northern English have had enough of the super rich in London sucking the life and wealth out of the rest of the UK.
1 Like #31
hooray henry
Error440
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.
You guys are being taken for a ride in the belief everyones happy because their houses are going up in value. Your Billionaire landowners are getting richer and fatter on the backs of your toil. That why mass immigration is encouraged so rents can be ramped up making them richer and you guys poorer and angrier.
Many Scots and Northern English have had enough of the super rich in London sucking the life and wealth out of the rest of the UK.
While we still have people of Error440's mindset thinking that the solution is to pay ever increasing amounts of Housing Benefit then the problem will just keep getting worse ;)

Next they'll be proposing rent caps. Equally hideous short-sighted bureaucratic thinking from idiot social democrats who run their mouths oblivious to the fact despite them being in charge on and off now for decades nothing has changed, it's not the political right that drives the wedge between rich and poor, it's the fact that pathologically always putting idealism ahead of pragmatism is the proverbial road to hell. There's too much focus on what we "should" do, what we "ought" to do, what by rights should be the solution, when we should simply be identifying the end result we desire in its most fundamental terms and then correctly determining between the solutions that work and the theories that don't. Acknowledge that it's easy to become emotionally attached to bad ideas.

And realise that hating the rich doesn't put food in the mouths of the poor.
#32
Why doesn't the govt just give all "non scots" the vote to kick them out first?

Have also been told that if Scotland does vote out, then it won't happen for a couple of years and in the meantime we will have a General Election in which the Scottish will have the right to vote on... is that right?
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arcangel111
Why doesn't the govt just give all "non scots" the vote to kick them out first?

Have also been told that if Scotland does vote out, then it won't happen for a couple of years and in the meantime we will have a General Election in which the Scottish will have the right to vote on... is that right?
I can understand your irritation, AA, but no matter what anyone says, this is not a 'Scottish hating English' thing - it is a 'management' thing.

Almost every place outside of London and the SouthEast is under the (imo mistaken) impression that local management will solve all their woes (not just the countries in the UK - but also a great many of the counties throughout the UK).

I can also understand why people in these areas think like that - especially when they're still up to their necks in austerity but they're hearing London and the SE are doing well - and we're supposed to be 'all in it together'.

Personally, I believe people need to look at the bigger picture and realise the most sensible course of action really is 'better together'.
We just need to spread the 'good stuff' (- what London and SE are getting at the mo') around the whole of the UK a bit better than we're doing at the moment.

Edited By: tryn2help on Jul 24, 2014 14:21
#34
Personally i think we'd be better sticking together as a whole... separating just brings a whole load of new problems...

It's all just one mans personal selfish vision ( imo )
#35
norville555
I'm worried about Porridge oats and Whiskey going up if they get the Yes vote...

I haven't drunk Scottish whiskey since I discovered Japanese, Indian, Welsh and English whiskies, some of the finest in the world.
#36
philphil61
jaybear88
Error440
philphil61
I have to agree with the Yes voters but only on the basis that there are several issues regarding politics and politicians and how government funding is currently distributed.

This stems back to a former thread whereby I mentioned the fact that London and the South (anything south of Luton excluding the South West) have to much investment, to much wealth and very little comes up North. Many major northern cities have issues with jobless/employment/no training for skilled workers etc yet the capital is full of non UK migrants who can afford (or get benefits) to be able to live in the expensive capital.

No I'd prefer to keep Scotland within the UK but understand their frustration. Good luck to them and hope that whichever way it swings that they get some positive resolve.

at least you have less problems with housing, people up north seem to think we in London are rich, we are not, there are tonnes of people struggling, our rents are disgusting, you work full time and need housing benefit and the whole system is like treacle because so many people need it, we haven't had a penny in HB for 5 weeks now even though our case is aledgedly on the priority pile, its dickensian down here, families crammed into small studio flats, people flat sharing well into their 40s. I know a few people who have managed to escape, got moved within a company and are renting houses for less then half the price of a 1 bed here, but no one with no money wants to try and move without a job lined up and theirs more jobs here its a catch 22.

Why not look for a job outside the city/up North? I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, but maybe it's worth considering?

The reason I didn't give a similar response is the fact of differences in average wage and actual vacancies

Yes the economics of the UK (jobless figures down) are better according to the coalition - yeah I believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden too

I don't want to stray off topic but wouldn't it be better for the UK population, as a whole, if the migrants were sent packing, illegal immigrants were kicked out then more jobs would be available, more housing would be available, less waiting for medical appointments/treatment, have better options for your children's education and lessen the welfare budget?

I'd like to reply, but you're right in saying that it would take things off topic so we'll both just have to cool our jets :)
1 Like #37
tryn2help
arcangel111
Why doesn't the govt just give all "non scots" the vote to kick them out first?

Have also been told that if Scotland does vote out, then it won't happen for a couple of years and in the meantime we will have a General Election in which the Scottish will have the right to vote on... is that right?
I can understand your irritation, AA, but no matter what anyone says, this is not a 'Scottish hating English' thing - it is a 'management' thing.

Almost every place outside of London and the SouthEast is under the (imo mistaken) impression that local management will solve all their woes (not just the countries in the UK - but also a great many of the counties throughout the UK).

I can also understand why people in these areas think like that - especially when they're still up to their necks in austerity but they're hearing London and the SE are doing well - and we're supposed to be 'all in it together'.

Personally, I believe people need to look at the bigger picture and realise the most sensible course of action really is 'better together'.
We just need to spread the 'good stuff' (- what London and SE are getting at the mo') around the whole of the UK a bit better than we're doing at the moment.

we ain't getting anything, rents increasing, HB caps, bedroom tax when theres no spare smaller places, most jobs are zero hours and minimum wage, travel costs up, ticket offices closed infact most things are double charging, you want to travel buy an oyster card first for a fiver before you can put any fare money on it, phone this number that costs x amount a minute instead of talking to someone face to face. Dont let the few fat cats fool you into thinking we got it good down here, a few people are doing good in their fancy jobs, all the normal people doing normal jobs are not.
#38
In Glasgow from what I see/hear/read is that being Independant is a part of what football team you support.
One half of Glasgow wants nothing to do with the royal family & the other half does. Not forgetting the British army & the views that a Glasgow club has on it.
#39
Error440
tryn2help
arcangel111
Why doesn't the govt just give all "non scots" the vote to kick them out first?

Have also been told that if Scotland does vote out, then it won't happen for a couple of years and in the meantime we will have a General Election in which the Scottish will have the right to vote on... is that right?
I can understand your irritation, AA, but no matter what anyone says, this is not a 'Scottish hating English' thing - it is a 'management' thing.

Almost every place outside of London and the SouthEast is under the (imo mistaken) impression that local management will solve all their woes (not just the countries in the UK - but also a great many of the counties throughout the UK).

I can also understand why people in these areas think like that - especially when they're still up to their necks in austerity but they're hearing London and the SE are doing well - and we're supposed to be 'all in it together'.

Personally, I believe people need to look at the bigger picture and realise the most sensible course of action really is 'better together'.
We just need to spread the 'good stuff' (- what London and SE are getting at the mo') around the whole of the UK a bit better than we're doing at the moment.

we ain't getting anything, rents increasing, HB caps, bedroom tax when theres no spare smaller places, most jobs are zero hours and minimum wage, travel costs up, ticket offices closed infact most things are double charging, you want to travel buy an oyster card first for a fiver before you can put any fare money on it, phone this number that costs x amount a minute instead of talking to someone face to face. Dont let the few fat cats fool you into thinking we got it good down here, a few people are doing good in their fancy jobs, all the normal people doing normal jobs are not.
I've not been back to London for a few years, but what you're saying is more or less the same as my friends that are still there are saying.
The poor/unemployed/low-waged are being hammered in London - it's as if they are actually being forced out.

Pockets of the same poverty levels are surfacing in other 'unexpected' places such as Manchester, but it's still places like Middlesborough that seem to be back to the poorhouse times.

And, before anyone thinks I've missed them - yes, I know it's also bad in places like Glasgow, Belfast, Cardiff etc, but I was mainly replying to Error440's post and acknowledging her points.
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Error440
I thought we had a lot of medical students who can't find hospitals that will take them on?

i think that's nurses specifically, where as specialists are few and far between.

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