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Forcing the long term unemployed to work

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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
What a great idea, but why FORCE people to work, are we in a dictatorship. Who is going to be "forced" and by who, Are the "forced" workers going to be paid the going rate for the job, how long will they have to work, when will they then be able to search for proper full time employment, seems like a concentration camp style work, I am so angry that we are rapidly loosing our freedoms, soon to be police state dictatorship welcome to the UK.
What next, Oh ! hello Mr Mugabe number 10 is ready for you to move into.

Well thaat ought to open up a can of worms ~ ~ ~ ~
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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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But are not tax payers forced to pay for those who refuse to work? I'm not talking about those who cannot work by the way.
#2
It's actually the people that have been on Job Seekers Allowance for a long time that will be made to help out in the community... People who actually want to work will not
#3
I think those that refuse to work should be entered into the military, we'de soon see plenty of people get off their backsides and find a job then. Working is an unfortunate part of life, those that sit around (and i am not on about people who cannot work for one reason or another, im on about the people that choose not to work because they are lazy) are just being paid by myself and others that earn their living. The sad fact is that it is somewhat easier to just sit back and get paid than to actually go and get paid, you can end up with more money.

Anyway, this post is not to have a dig at the genuine people who are off work for one reason or another. If you have been offended by this post, your not one of them are you! ;)

BFM
#4
BurningFeetMan
I think those that refuse to work should be entered into the military, we'de soon see plenty of people get off their backsides and find a job then.


Putting these people into the military is an insult to our armed forces :x
#5
Im on job seekers but i dont refuse to work im just picky - if someone offered mea job doing what i want to do id take it

How can you consript people into the army for being unemployed its stupid - should put th criminals in the army as cannon fodder

You get paid £45 a week on jsa and thats to live on im just lucky im with my parents otherwise id be on the streets

Predikuesi
But are not tax payers forced to pay for those who refuse to work? I'm not talking about those who cannot work by the way.


Hold on you have to pay taxes regardless you dont actually pay for unemployed if no-one was unemployed you would still pay the same amount of tax but theyd waste it on something liek the 2012 olympics
#6
Robotochan
Putting these people into the military is an insult to our armed forces :x


Why is that?
#7
dandoc2
Im on job seekers but i dont refuse to work im just picky - if someone offered mea job doing what i want to do id take it

How can you consript people into the army for being unemployed its stupid - should put th criminals in the army as cannon fodder

You get paid £45 a week on jsa and thats to live on im just lucky im with my parents otherwise id be on the streets


but you dont want to do most jobs
#8
dandoc2
Im on job seekers but i dont refuse to work im just picky - if someone offered mea job doing what i want to do id take it

How can you consript people into the army for being unemployed its stupid - should put th criminals in the army as cannon fodder

You get paid £45 a week on jsa and thats to live on im just lucky im with my parents otherwise id be on the streets


Your picky? Thats the whole problem with the system, you shouldnt be allowed to be picky and be paid by those that work to find your perfect job. I dont love my job (i dont hate it either mind), i do it because i have to, i dont think the system should allow this much choice. :x

BFM
[mod]#9
I think it's a fantastic idea..........and long overdue. :)
#10
loupomm
but you dont want to do most jobs


just said because im picky - if i wasnt picky id be cleanign the bog or something

I have a choice what and where i work
#11
BurningFeetMan
Your picky? Thats the whole problem with the system, you shouldnt be allowed to be picky and be paid by those that work to find your perfect job. I dont love my job (i dont hate it either mind), i do it because i have to, i dont think the system should allow this much choice. :x

BFM


Ok right so say you wanted to go to uni to be a lawyer and by your opinion you should be made to work as a binman and not pursue something you want

This isnt a dictatorship mate

BurningFeetMan
I think those that refuse to work should be entered into the military, we'de soon see plenty of people get off their backsides and find a job then. Working is an unfortunate part of life, those that sit around (and i am not on about people who cannot work for one reason or another, im on about the people that choose not to work because they are lazy) are just being paid by myself and others that earn their living. The sad fact is that it is somewhat easier to just sit back and get paid than to actually go and get paid, you can end up with more money.

Anyway, this post is not to have a dig at the genuine people who are off work for one reason or another. If you have been offended by this post, your not one of them are you! ;)

BFM


Wtf job seekrs allowance is only £45 a week - £180 a month to live on ---- how would i earn more money doing that than by getting a job earning £1000 a month

What you are on about are the people who have everything and never work not me
Your talking about people who are on housing benefit - free house - free money everything and have like 8 kids who all steal
#12
dandoc2
Ok right so say you wanted to go to uni to be a lawyer and by your opinion you should be made to work as a binman and not pursue something you want

This isnt a dictatorship mate


If i went to university i would be a student, thats different, is it not?

BFM
#13
OP:-

Your not forced to work, but if you dont then dont expect to leech off us taxpayers by getting handouts. Thats what this government proposal is about.

Either Work, or claim benefits but if your claiming benefits your going to be expected to pull your weight in some form.


Massive step forward IMO.
#14
BurningFeetMan
If i went to university i would be a student, thats different, is it not?

BFM


ok put it this way you quit a job as a manager in a bank and then the government force you to go into the army or work as a road sweeper - what would you say to that

I hate being on job seekers i hate it its embrassing going to sign on every 2 weeks - its not as easy as you think to get a job that well paid and at least decent -- i cant wait till i find something decent so i can start being stuck up and pretentious like you lot looking at people who are unemployed as scum of the earth
#15
dandoc2
Ok right so say you wanted to go to uni to be a lawyer and by your opinion you should be made to work as a binman and not pursue something you want

This isnt a dictatorship mate



Why not until you reach your goal?

I wanted to be a lawyer but also needed to work to support myself and children, full time as a secretary and part time in pubs and clubs while I obtained my degrees.

It can be done with a lot of hard work and dedication
#16
dandoc2
Ok right so say you wanted to go to uni to be a lawyer and by your opinion you should be made to work as a binman and not pursue something you want

This isnt a dictatorship mate


Students don't get JSA :)

IMO There should be a cut off point, if you've not found work in 18 months then you HAVE to take something which is less than ideal while still being allowed to pursue the role you really want. Just because you can't get the job you really want to do doesn't mean our taxes should be going in to your pocket.

just to add, I've been on job seekers twice, once when I left Uni and again just last year after I was made redundant, both times I found work within a month doing something I wanted to do - it ain't that hard if you really want to do it
#17
I'de say dont quit your job unless you have something to go to? Or there is a grace period of x weeks, i didnt say i had worked out a scheme for this, i just threw an idea out there, i take it i count your vote as a 'no' then.
#18
Ive just signed up to jobseekers, ive been looking for a job for 3 weeks but have yet to hear anything back from any of the agencies or the companies. I could probably get warehouse work but i dont see the point in getting a job like that if its going to be detrimental to me finding a job which i want, one which ive worked through a degree to get.
#19
BurningFeetMan
I'de say dont quit your job unless you have something to go to? Or there is a grace period of x weeks, i didnt say i had worked out a scheme for this, i just threw an idea out there, i take it i count your vote as a 'no' then.


you cant apply for jsa for 8weeks after leaving a previous one

Titchimp
Ive just signed up to jobseekers, ive been looking for a job for 3 weeks but have yet to hear anything back from any of the agencies or the companies. I could probably get warehouse work but i dont see the point in getting a job like that if its going to be detrimental to me finding a job which i want, one which ive worked through a degree to get.


The people in the job centres dont give a sheet they dont even try to help you - agencies are rubbish --- i could get a job tommorow doing something rubbish but i know i can do better
#20
dandoc2
just said because im picky - if i wasnt picky id be cleanign the bog or something

I have a choice what and where i work



Yeah, but in the meantime you should be made to work as and when your told or all benefits should be stopped. A change that is long overdue.
I would much rather my hard earned taxes were indeed wasted on some trvia rather than them being paid to some a******e who just wants to sit doing nothing all day.
#21
Titchimp
Ive just signed up to jobseekers, ive been looking for a job for 3 weeks but have yet to hear anything back from any of the agencies or the companies. I could probably get warehouse work but i dont see the point in getting a job like that if its going to be detrimental to me finding a job which i want, one which ive worked through a degree to get.


Perfectly understandable!

My posts have not meant to be antagonistic, and in your case (and in my humble opinion!! ) it sounds like a good idea.

These people who are off work for 6months, a year, 2 years...if your not getting anywhere with a job/career path you should be made to do some work, perhaps community service to at least earn it.

BFM
#22
KDH001
Yeah, but in the meantime you should be made to work as and when your told or all benefits should be stopped. A change that is long overdue.
I would much rather my hard earned taxes were indeed wasted on some trvia rather than them being paid to some a******e who just wants to sit doing nothing all day.


oh yer nice one so people would go from having just about enough money to survive on to not having any money and having to live on the streets - nice system there its really gunan cut unemployment
#23
dandoc2

The people in the job centres dont give a sheet they dont even try to help you - agencies are rubbish --- i could get a job tommorow doing something rubbish but i know i can do better


do you mind sharing what kind of job you are looking for. and what qualifications you have for it?
#24
BurningFeetMan;2567862
Perfectly understandable!

My posts have not meant to be antagonistic, and in your case (and in my humble opinion!! ) it sounds like a good idea.

These people who are off work for 6months, a year, 2 years...if your not getting anywhere with a job/career path you should be made to do some work, perhaps community service to at least earn it.

BFM


Yeah, a friend of a friend has been on jobseekers for 12 months but doesnt want to work, he just applies to stupid jobs (like manager of john lewis) which he knows he wont get in order to keep getting job seekers
#25
schaf
do you mind sharing what kind of job you are looking for. and what qualifications you have for it?


I have 7 gcses and an As level with 4 previous jobs since 2006
Looking for something that isnt just inside an office all day like the community police which i have an interview for next month

Its not easy just to say what job you want

Anyways ive only been on job seekers for 2 months not like ive been on it for years - my last job was 5 months long
#26
BTW dont you just love these hit 'n run posts!!

Pose a question then stand back whilst everyone falls out over them!!

Thanks Happy Donkey!!!

BFM
#27
Titchimp
Ive just signed up to jobseekers, ive been looking for a job for 3 weeks but have yet to hear anything back from any of the agencies or the companies. I could probably get warehouse work but i dont see the point in getting a job like that if its going to be detrimental to me finding a job which i want, one which ive worked through a degree to get.

Well this is the problem with degrees these days. there are so many people getting them that they have become far less valuable as a tool for employment imo.

Oh and what will look worse on your job record......... the fact that you sat around on the dole for a few years OR the fact that you got off your butt and knuckled down in any job til you finally foundthe one you want.......

not having a go at you mate just saying that if i was an employer and 2 applications for a job came in and both had the same degree and similar qualifications,(very common these days as ive said) one of em has been on the dole for 18 month and one has been working as a kitchen porter for 18months then i would hire the latter in a second.
#28
dandoc2
I have 7 gcses and an As level with 4 previous jobs since 2006
Looking for something that isnt just inside an office all day like the community police which i have an interview for next month

Its not easy just to say what job you want

Anyways ive only been on job seekers for 2 months not like ive been on it for years - my last job was 5 months long


Thought about doing temp work till next month?

BFM
#29
dandoc2
I have 7 gcses and an As level with 4 previous jobs since 2006
Looking for something that isnt just inside an office all day like the community police which i have an interview for next month

Its not easy just to say what job you want

Anyways ive only been on job seekers for 2 months not like ive been on it for years - my last job was 5 months long


You dont sound like the sort of scrounger that annoys me, you have ambitions which is great and no 2 months isnt a long time and you shouldnt be shoved into any old job after that long i agree, after 2 years them maybe, as then you may be sick of sat around anyway :thumbsup:
#30
BurningFeetMan
Thought about doing temp work till next month?

BFM


Yes thats what ive been looking for everytime i ring up something decent its gone and you get sick of the rejection going into shops saying have you any jobs and them going no

I went to the job agency yesterday but im a moron so didnt realise they shut on weekends

I agree that there are certain people who should be forced to work but im not in that criteria - i dont wear burberry or a have a criminal record
#31
Maybe the Thread title should be changed to "Long-Term Unmployed", so as not to offend anybody who is on JSA for legitimate reasons?
In addition, some people do have good reasons for being on benefits, and I feel that too many people automatically label them as 'dole-bludgers' without fully understanding the whole situation. I agree that it would be a great idea to get those who are sat at home skiving into some form of work, but I believe that could inadvertantly have an effect on other legitimate groups, such as stay-at-home parents, those suffering intermittant medical problems etc...
I think a whole lot more research would have to be done first before anybody introduces this sort of proposal.
#32
kungfu
You dont sound like the sort of scrounger that annoys me, you have ambitions which is great and no 2 months isnt a long time and you shouldnt be shoved into any old job after that long i agree, after 2 years them maybe, as then you may be sick of sat around anyway :thumbsup:


i know the kind of people who think of when you think of benefits but thats not me i dont speak yeh but no or dress like that

If you say your on jsa people just label you as a lazy good for nothing

My dad is a cop my sister is a cop my mum works in a school we live in a big house........and i used to work in tescos until i got completely sick of working 1-10 every day and serving people on my own with no-one around and they never signed me a new contract just said oh yeh you can stay here so frankly i got sick of it and was getting realyl depressed and someone im not so i left
#33
kungfu;2567894
Well this is the problem with degrees these days. there are so many people getting them that they have become far less valuable as a tool for employment imo.

Oh and what will look worse on your job record......... the fact that you sat around on the dole for a few years OR the fact that you got off your butt and knuckled down in any job til you finally foundthe one you want.......

not having a go at you mate just saying that if i was an employer and 2 applications for a job came in and both had the same degree and similar qualifications,(very common these days as ive said) one of em has been on the dole for 18 month and one has been working as a kitchen porter for 18months then i would hire the latter in a second.


I totally agree, basically job seekers for me is to keep me going for at most 3 months.

My ideal job: Marketing Assistant.

The Jobs ive applied for so far: Sales Assistant, Marketing assistant, Office Temp, Retail superviser.

Problem is i think everyone back at home for the summer nabbed all the jobs and they wont be open again until september. Anyhoo i'm applying for another position as i type
#34
dandoc2
Yes thats what ive been looking for everytime i ring up something decent its gone and you get sick of the rejection going into shops saying have you any jobs and them going no

I went to the job agency yesterday but im a moron so didnt realise they shut on weekends

I agree that there are certain people who should be forced to work but im not in that criteria - i dont wear burberry or a criminal record


Going back to my first few posts mate, my problem isn't with the people, its with the system.

I can understand that the rejection is a little frustrating but i DO understand that you have a desire to succeed and taking a job that you feel is beneath you (not the best phrase but my minds gone blank) is not progressing your career.

The application for a CLO is only the first stage is it not? It can take upwards of 6 months to be appointed. Certainly for a constable it can take >year from application to a posting.

Anyway, i wish you luck with your application, and please do not take anything i have said to heart!

BFM
#35
Maybe the Thread title should be changed to "Long-Term Unmployed", so as not to offend anybody who is on JSA for legitimate reasons

thanx done
#36
BurningFeetMan
Going back to my first few posts mate, my problem isn't with the people, its with the system.

I can understand that the rejection is a little frustrating but i DO understand that you have a desire to succeed and taking a job that you feel is beneath you (not the best phrase but my minds gone blank) is not progressing your career.

The application for a CLO is only the first stage is it not? It can take upwards of 6 months to be appointed. Certainly for a constable it can take >year from application to a posting.

Anyway, i wish you luck with your application, and please do not take anything i have said to heart!


BFM

Its the community police and i applied for it before quitting my last job and it took 3 months to get thsi interview
i looked for jobs for 2 months before leaving and its not easy when your working 1-10 and be tired on yoru days off
Yer i agree but back to my point its not as easy as you may think for a 19 year old to get any job apart from a shop
#37
Titchimp
I totally agree, basically job seekers for me is to keep me going for at most 3 months.

My ideal job: Marketing Assistant.

The Jobs ive applied for so far: Sales Assistant, Marketing assistant, Office Temp, Retail superviser.

Problem is i think everyone back at home for the summer nabbed all the jobs and they wont be open again until september. Anyhoo i'm applying for another position as i type


Then good luck hope you get what you want, dont fall into the trap of long term unemployment tho :thumbsup:
#38
I started reading this thread and you seem to be having a go a everybody except thoughs with an arm or a leg missing!
Not everybody who is not working is lazy and useless.
I am not working and am I lazy and useless? I think not!
I work when I want and dont when I dont thats my choice and it will be staying that way.
Before anybody asks, I have never had any benifits. (Getting out of bed for £45, I think not!)
#39
well as I said can o worms

Benn on JSA for 6 mths applied for 20 + jobs, have passed 3 driving tests and an interview for driving examiner to be told Oh! no vacancies now. Still waiting on that one.

By the way not hit and run I jus wanted some food sorry.
#40
dandoc2
I have 7 gcses and an As level with 4 previous jobs since 2006
Looking for something that isnt just inside an office all day like the community police which i have an interview for next month

with only that i fear you'll have to be less picky in your job search.

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