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French ban on Islamic veils set to be passed

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A ban on burka-like Islamic veils is expected to be passed today by France's lower house of parliament. It is a move that is popular among French voters despite concerns from Muslim groups and hu… Read More
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banned7y, 2w agoPosted 7 years, 2 weeks ago
A ban on burka-like Islamic veils is expected to be passed today by France's lower house of parliament.

It is a move that is popular among French voters despite concerns from Muslim groups and human rights advocates.

The ban on face-covering veils will go to the Senate in September, where it is also likely to be passed.

As religious 'beliefs' go, it's a daft one and is an oppressive relic that women shouldn't have to suffer.
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banned7y, 2w agoPosted 7 years, 2 weeks ago
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banned#1
#2
This is going to cause a lot of problems I think.

So I am guessing they are going to ban the full face ones?
banned#3
Hope this doesn't come here or I won't be able to wear my balaclava in my motorbike helmet
#4
Live in France, live like a Frenchman, period! Same should go here too!
#5
"oppresive relic?"..."suffer?"

harsh words from someone who probably hasn't spoken to one who wears a veil.
#6
sufchenko
"oppresive relic?"..."suffer?"

harsh words from someone who probably hasn't spoken to one who wears a veil.


It's a mix, some choose to wear one, some are forced to wear one, and some wear it as it's "tradition" in their family etc.

With something like this, you cannot state one thing really.
banned#7
sufchenko
"oppresive relic?"..."suffer?"

harsh words from someone who probably hasn't spoken to one who wears a veil.


If you deny a person the right to bare their face in public, how on earth could you contend that they have equal rights and if they don't, then how could you argue that they aren't oppressed.

Also, there are records of women and blacks who used to argue against people like themselves having the vote. I expect I could find a Muslim woman who agrees with the Iranian woman being executed for 'adultery'.

Doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.
#8
where will it end? will sikhs be banned from wearing turbans, nuns from wearing their habit, christians from wearing crosses etc etc, its an attack on personal liberties and choice, the french are pandering to the far right few, where would the french be without us hauling them out of ww2, where would their frenchness be than, every body knows the french raise their white flag in times of war.
banned 1 Like #9
Personally, I find it offensive that someone cannot give me the courtesy to speak to me and let me view their facial expressions. I find it equally offensive that its needed to be protect because of the suggestion I'm some sort of pervert that's going to jump on them and rape them. Coupled with the use in raids and disguise to escape capture, its a good move by the French.

Unfortunately there are bound to be extremists to cause problems within France and I expect a few suicide bombers will target the Metro and famous tourist sights. But at least they cant hide their faces when they do.
1 Like #10
guv
Personally, I find it offensive


You find a lot of things offensive don't you?
banned#11
should ban them here too.
banned#12
Wotwot123
guv
Personally, I find it offensive


You find a lot of things offensive don't you?


I don't find ignorance offensive. I pity ignorance.

I Hope that answers your question.
#13
irshybar
....where will it end? will sikhs be banned from wearing turbans, nuns from wearing their habit, christians from wearing crosses etc etc, .....


I think its only the Christians, in their very own Christian land, that have been banned, in certain areas/times from wearing their cross
banned 1 Like #14
6 year old wives?

Just wow!
banned#15
irshybar
where will it end? will sikhs be banned from wearing turbans, nuns from wearing their habit, christians from wearing crosses etc etc, its an attack on personal liberties and choice, the french are pandering to the far right few, where would the french be without us hauling them out of ww2, where would their frenchness be than, every body knows the french raise their white flag in times of war.


But do women have the 'liberte' to choose not to wear these things, either through threats from men or because they are so brainwashed that they believe they have no choice in the matter.

It's a way of controlling women and that is not in the spirit of freedom.
#16
People should be able to wear what they want...end of

However, if have motorcyclist has to remove his/her helmet for secuirty reasons when entering a shop, why should it be different to people covering their face for religious reasons?!

Its proven people steal from shops, no one has proved religion yet it has more power!
#17
andel90
guv
6 year old wives?

Just wow!


ANOTHER DUMB ****


Do you have a 6 year old wife?
banned#18
woz
People should be able to wear what they want...end of



I agree - women shouldn't be forced to wear such a silly cover just because men feel insecure about themselves.
banned#19
andel90
csiman
Apparently it is not mentioned anywhere in the Koran so its not a religious belief, just a relic of mans oppression against women

Shockingly, I only found out the other day that their prophet Mohammed was a paedophile!

One of his 12 wives was only 6 years old when they got married and he had sex with her when she was 9 years old. Dont see that brought up very often. Worse than Jacko!


FUCKIN **** KEEP UR DIRTY COMMENTS TO UR SELF IF U DONT HAVE ANY EVIDENCE SHUT THA **** UP :)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_wives
banned#20
I am so glad its being banned from countries within the EU, hopefully not long before it happens here.
#21
Whilst I don't particularly like the veil its not up to others (unless illegal etc) to dictate to other religions what they can and can't do..............If the consensus amongst French Muslims are that it should be banned then its a good move - if its only a consensus amongst the white French population then this will backfire in their face.......... and they'll be a lot more veiled French muslims wearing it just to protest.
Its not the UK, so I'm not bothered either way.

I do find it odd that I'm not allowed in Tescos with a full face helmet (flipped up) but veils are (although to be honest I've never tried going shopping with a veil on)
banned 1 Like #22
gari189
Whilst I don't particularly like the veil its not up to others (unless illegal etc) to dictate to other religions what they can and can't do..............If the consensus amongst French Muslims are that it should be banned then its a good move - if its only a consensus amongst the white French population then this will backfire in their face.......... and they'll be a lot more veiled French muslims wearing it just to protest.
Its not the UK, so I'm not bothered either way.


So you don't want people telling other people what they can and can't do, but you don't mind Muslim men telling Muslim women what they can and can't wear?

See, I've been juggling this quandary in my mind - religious freedoms versus women's rights, and I've decided that women exist but god and 'mohammed' don't (except in cartoon form) so I'd rather do something to benefit the women.
#23
Ban this in UK now, if they don't like it, they don't have to live here. We're a mainly Christian country
#24
Hopefully this ruling won't be extended to include super heroes...
banned#25
Wotwot123
You know, those kind of responses are for people that are pretty darn thick.


Agreed. I'm glad you appreciate the special effort made on your behalf. (And a special thank you for your acknowledgement.) :D

You really picked the wrong person to argue with those kind of responses, but please, carry on.


Ooh. Scary stuff.

There is a Plastic Surgery program on tonight, better turn it over when it's on as it might offend you, you know seeing proper female nipples that you haven't felt or touched in those many useless years of yours.


Oh noes. I'm shocked. I feel so offended at your really hurtful and hateful comments.

PS..... I'm just continuing with your request to "carry on" BTW.

I've given my views on the subject at hand in this thread. Maybe when you've finished throwing your toys, you can give yours?
banned#26
Wotwot123
What I find pretty funny is this.

You admit you think the Quran is a work of fiction, yet you use the "Prophet Mohammed" as an insult towards a Muslim, if you think it's Fiction, "Prophet Mohammed" doesn't exist and never has done. I've never ever seen an insult with so much fail in my life.

What a stupid ****


Star Wars is a work of fiction but I use bantha poodoo as an insult.
#27
guv

I've given my views on the subject at hand in this thread. Maybe when you've finished throwing your toys, you can give yours?


I gave a response before you.

You cannot give an opinion on the usage of a veil as there isn't one source of usage, if every single Muslim women was forced to wear one, then that's completely different.
#28
And years longer than 1400 :) the longest religion out there :)
Zeus and the like disagree
#29
they should be banned in England also
if i go into a bank/supermarket with my crash helmet on i get stopped
because I'm covering my face
i know this does not make m a bank robber
but forget about religion
its like Muslims carry knifes because its they religion
but the also use these knife threaten others
as my son found out
if we live in a country that is for equality then let it be for all
not just what ever religion wants to have special treatment
#30
This thread just shows that you don't liberate anybody by taking away their rights, including Muslim women.

It has turned into an excuse to insult denigrate Islamic beliefs. This in my experience is always the result of this kind of action. Islamophobes see it as a green light to go on the attack and Muslim women are pushed into taking on these traditions either out of personal anger at the move or because it is then seen as the only way to show religious loyalty in a threatened and defensive community.
#31
robertkay

its like Muslims carry knifes because its they religion
but the also use these knife threaten others

think it's sikhs who carry knives
#32
Plum
This thread just shows that you don't liberate anybody by taking away their rights, including Muslim women.

It has turned into an excuse to insult denigrate Islamic beliefs. This in my experience is always the result of this kind of action. Islamophobes see it as a green light to go on the attack and Muslim women are pushed into taking on these traditions either out of personal anger at the move or because it is then seen as the only way to show religious loyalty in a threatened and defensive community.


The problem is though you may say the burkha is part of a tradition but to me the burkha is a symbol of misogynistic behaviour and oppression of women in the islamic religion. if i value women rights as equal to men then does that make me islamophobes because I am critical of a religions oppresion of women. Ps I have no religious loyalty as I have no religous believes.
banned#33
robertkay
they should be banned in England also
if i go into a bank/supermarket with my crash helmet on i get stopped
because I'm covering my face
i know this does not make m a bank robber
but forget about religion
its like Muslims carry knifes because its they religion
but the also use these knife threaten others
as my son found out
if we live in a country that is for equality then let it be for all
not just what ever religion wants to have special treatment

why do all your posts appear like poetry? Difficult to read tbh so I dont generally.
[mod]#34
OK, that is enough
The worst comments have now been deleted (and those quoting them). The offender won't be here for a while to continue his sweary fest
Wotwot123 - cut out the personal insults otherwise you'll be on a days suspension too, courtesy of HUKD Infraction airlines
And everyone - keep it on topic and stay clear of any personal insults, name calling etc
#35
Hooray for Hamster :)
#36
Need more :{:D:3
#37
dananana
The problem is though you may say the burkha is part of a tradition but to me the burkha is a symbol of misogynistic behaviour and oppression of women in the islamic religion. if i value women rights as equal to men then does that make me islamophobes because I am critical of a religions oppression of women. Ps I have no religious loyalty as I have no religious believes.

There are plenty of traditions in many religions and elsewhere that are oppressive and many of them are misogynistic. I was using the term tradition in a non judgmental way.

For me this is not about defending the wearing of the burkha it is about how people are liberated.

I don't believe you liberate a population by sending in a foreign army and I don't believe you liberate women by removing rights from them.
banned#38
Plum
dananana
The problem is though you may say the burkha is part of a tradition but to me the burkha is a symbol of misogynistic behaviour and oppression of women in the islamic religion. if i value women rights as equal to men then does that make me islamophobes because I am critical of a religions oppression of women. Ps I have no religious loyalty as I have no religious believes.


There are plenty of traditions in many religions and elsewhere that are oppressive and many of them are misogynistic. I was using the term tradition in a non judgmental way.

For me this is not about defending the wearing of the burkha it is about how people are liberated.

I don't believe you liberate a population by sending in a foreign army and I don't believe you liberate women by removing rights from them.


But the women wearing the veil aren't allowed to show their face - that's a pretty big right to remove and is clearly a way of maintaining patriarchal dominance.
#39
I hope I am a person who respects all faiths however I do like to be able to look someone in the face and vice versa. I do however realise as an atheist I cannot begin to understand someone's reasons behind wearing one.
If I went over to a Muslim country I know that when I am in town etc I should cover up as that is respectful and the right thing to do. I would not disrespect people by walking around town in shorts and small top. Similarly I would appreciate being able to see other peoples faces when I am in my town.
I cannot even look at it from a woman's point of view as I feel surely most would not want to wear it but I realise there will be some that do and some that are made to.
I don't think we will ever be able to please everyone and that is sad but personally I wish this would be brought in over here. I am very sorry if I have offended anyone though it is only my personal opinion.
#40
FilthAndFurry
But the women wearing the veil aren't allowed to show their face - that's a pretty big right to remove and is clearly a way of maintaining patriarchal dominance.

I don't disagree with this but two wrongs don't make a right. By taking this legal route many Muslim women will be oppressed from both sides.

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