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Surprised there is no discussion on this already seeing as politics in Europe is such a hot topic on here recently. Hadn't followed it like a stalker myself so was quite surprised by the result in th… Read More
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2w, 5d agoPosted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Surprised there is no discussion on this already seeing as politics in Europe is such a hot topic on here recently.

Hadn't followed it like a stalker myself so was quite surprised by the result in that the centrist won.

Have to say that personally, I am pleased with the result but quite surprised as I thought Brexit was meant to be the start of the far right revolution across Europe.

How does this leave our position to negotiate our Brexit?

What with the Dutch and now French rejecting far right rule, it's starting to look like we are going to be stuck on our own but at least we are at the front of the queue with the Americans.

I never thought I would ever say this but France could really lead the revolution now with the chance to elect a complete new government/MPs and move away from the old, tired and repeatedly failed political ways.

France potentially moving forward as we are about to go backwards or is it the other way around?
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2w, 5d agoPosted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
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At least some countries have some common sense, there's still hope for humanity yet.
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catbeans
I think the thing is that in the UK the referendum was put forward by a party with a good chance anyway in a non partisan way, driving anti EU sentiment towards Conservative from a party that never would of won. Where as in the EU it's put forward by far right nut jobs.


But in the UK the Government has been using the EU as a scapegoat to blame for government policy and lack of public funding for the general upkeep of the obvious for years. Funny that UKIP was a party full of ex Tories its almost as if they were set up as a suicide squad so to speak to fan the flames of misdirection to the point that their services were no longer required, they could then be welcomed back to the fold while the tories go about dismantling our human rights and everything else we signed up for with the EU, which they need to do to make us the sweatshop of Europe with all public assets in private hands.
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A third of the country voted for the far right candidate.

That's pretty telling in my book.

You won't see a far right party making gains like that in the UK.
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There was no comment on the result as the anti EU Misc favourite soundly lost. If the racist woman had won the anti EU Misc regulars would have been on here straight away celebrating the inevitable fall of the EU.......
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zworld
Clearly your bearings are wrong matey. This is not HotFrenchdeals.com

Priceless. Posts childish 'End of Discussion' gif then posts again 3 minutes later. You couldn't make it up.

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Must admit I was a bit concerned as I live in France and didnt want to come back to Britain especially after Brexit but hopefully my family are safe for a few more years at least.
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I thought this was a sobering stat, the split of the vote for those aged 65+ was 80/20 Macron/Le Pen.

For the 18-24 age group, it was 56/44 Macron/Le Pen.

If Macron doesn't deliver I can see FN in power in 5 years time.
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At least some countries have some common sense, there's still hope for humanity yet.
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I think the thing is that in the UK the referendum was put forward by a party with a good chance anyway in a non partisan way, driving anti EU sentiment towards Conservative from a party that never would of won. Where as in the EU it's put forward by far right nut jobs.
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How does this leave our position to negotiate our Brexit?
Macron is very much proEU
Leaving very much stuffed in the negotiations(like we were not already )
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catbeans
I think the thing is that in the UK the referendum was put forward by a party with a good chance anyway in a non partisan way, driving anti EU sentiment towards Conservative from a party that never would of won. Where as in the EU it's put forward by far right nut jobs.


But in the UK the Government has been using the EU as a scapegoat to blame for government policy and lack of public funding for the general upkeep of the obvious for years. Funny that UKIP was a party full of ex Tories its almost as if they were set up as a suicide squad so to speak to fan the flames of misdirection to the point that their services were no longer required, they could then be welcomed back to the fold while the tories go about dismantling our human rights and everything else we signed up for with the EU, which they need to do to make us the sweatshop of Europe with all public assets in private hands.
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"thought Brexit was meant to be the start of the far right revolution"

Just shows how wrong you were then as people who voted to Leave the EU are not far right, have you not yet noticed that the UK population does not support the Far Right they never have done, how many BNP or National Front have ever been a member of parliament ?
The only time the far right have ever got a look in has been as local councillors in protest votes and even that was some time ago.
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shasnir
"thought Brexit was meant to be the start of the far right revolution"
Just shows how wrong you were then as people who voted to Leave the EU are not far right, have you not yet noticed that the UK population does not support the Far Right they never have done, how many BNP or National Front have ever been a member of parliament ?
The only time the far right have ever got a look in has been as local councillors in protest votes and even that was some time ago.

Something I agree with.

Brexit wasn't driven simply by the far-right, but by a lot of old Labour supporters who live in towns that have seen industry leave and wages undercut by foreign labour.

But let's not ignore that racists and xenophobes who contributed to that win.

Brexit was driven by people who have lost out in a number of ways.
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With the slave to the EU winning we need Brexit more than ever.
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Error440
catbeans
I think the thing is that in the UK the referendum was put forward by a party with a good chance anyway in a non partisan way, driving anti EU sentiment towards Conservative from a party that never would of won. Where as in the EU it's put forward by far right nut jobs.
But in the UK the Government has been using the EU as a scapegoat to blame for government policy and lack of public funding for the general upkeep of the obvious for years. Funny that UKIP was a party full of ex Tories its almost as if they were set up as a suicide squad so to speak to fan the flames of misdirection to the point that their services were no longer required, they could then be welcomed back to the fold while the tories go about dismantling our human rights and everything else we signed up for with the EU, which they need to do to make us the sweatshop of Europe with all public assets in private hands.

Vote Labour then problem solved, I will be, just be aware Corbin was pro Brexit before the Blairite mafia got to him.
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A third of the country voted for the far right candidate.

That's pretty telling in my book.

You won't see a far right party making gains like that in the UK.
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airfix
With the slave to the EU winning we need Brexit more than ever.

That's the spirit. X)

Unfortunately the EU seems to be stronger than ever, driven by the utter mess of Brexit in many instances. They'll stick to their guns and we'll get a terrible deal, if we even manage to get one.

As someone increasingly out of love with modern Britain, I will watch on gleefully.
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DKLS
I thought this was a sobering stat, the split of the vote for those aged 65+ was 80/20 Macron/Le Pen.
For the 18-24 age group, it was 56/44 Macron/Le Pen.
If Macron doesn't deliver I can see FN in power in 5 years time.
thats very surprising - you could be right about FN unfortunately, Macron is 'Hollande v2.0 'and Hollande proved over time to be very unpopular!
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Error440
catbeans
I think the thing is that in the UK the referendum was put forward by a party with a good chance anyway in a non partisan way, driving anti EU sentiment towards Conservative from a party that never would of won. Where as in the EU it's put forward by far right nut jobs.
But in the UK the Government has been using the EU as a scapegoat to blame for government policy and lack of public funding for the general upkeep of the obvious for years. Funny that UKIP was a party full of ex Tories its almost as if they were set up as a suicide squad so to speak to fan the flames of misdirection to the point that their services were no longer required, they could then be welcomed back to the fold while the tories go about dismantling our human rights and everything else we signed up for with the EU, which they need to do to make us the sweatshop of Europe with all public assets in private hands.
The EU doesnt need excuses for its incompetence because it spends what it likes and raises its budget without any concern or redress for the taxpayers.
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HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
airfix
With the slave to the EU winning we need Brexit more than ever.
That's the spirit. X)
Unfortunately the EU seems to be stronger than ever, driven by the utter mess of Brexit in many instances. They'll stick to their guns and we'll get a terrible deal, if we even manage to get one.
As someone increasingly out of love with modern Britain, I will watch on gleefully.
Most people voted 'non' to Madame Le Pen rather than 'oui' to Mr Macron.
Trying to change France when three quarters of the voters voted against him in round 1 will be no easy task.
Macron will find out , like Trump, that winning an election and getting what you want once in office are not the same thing.
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airfix
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
airfix
With the slave to the EU winning we need Brexit more than ever.
That's the spirit. X)
Unfortunately the EU seems to be stronger than ever, driven by the utter mess of Brexit in many instances. They'll stick to their guns and we'll get a terrible deal, if we even manage to get one.
As someone increasingly out of love with modern Britain, I will watch on gleefully.
Most people voted 'non' to Madame Le Pen rather than 'oui' to Mr Macron.
Trying to change France when three quarters of the voters voted against him in round 1 will be no easy task.
Macron will find out , like Trump, that winning an election and getting what you want once in office are not the same thing.

He'll maintain the status quo in France and provide stability to the EU - for Britain, that is terrible for the next two years.

Europe right now is more unified than it has been for years. There is impetus for reform which will hopefully make it even stronger.

Theresa May can pretend the country is unified and she'll likely win by a landslide, but the market will be the true judge of her success and by the end of these talks people will understand the UK's lack of leverage.

Far too late though.
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Towelie
Surprised there is no discussion on this already seeing as politics in Europe is such a hot topic on here recently.
Got to leave sometime for shopping here on hotukdeals.
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Whatever the outcome this time, there is a round 2 in 5 years' time when another "exit" party will try again.
Why?
Macron is an independent, he has no big party support, 2 main parties have worn out the French voters. Macron is an interim, if he didn't do much then he would be as unpopular as Holland in five years.
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The probability is unlikely that he wouldn't do much, look at Trump, what has he done for the living standards of people so far?! What has Sturgeon done for her people in Scotland, not one piece of legislation passed in one year in office?! I think the momentum of East Europeans , Middle East, India and China affairs would continue, Macron would have no viable strategic economic answer for his people.
#18
Trump has already stated he will deal with Europe above the UK so we are definitely not at the front of any queues.
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I was expecting to see some remoaners celebrating that the UK is likely to get zero out of the EU after this result and be out partying like they've won a personal victory. Oh wait!

Still. At least we still won't have a labour government led by Corbyn. So it's not all bad.
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cmncomp
Trump has already stated he will deal with Europe above the UK so we are definitely not at the front of any queues.

Well to be fair he did say that when he was talking to Merkel, but just to be sure, are you saying you believe what he's alleged to have said?
#21
Le pew *waves white flag*
#22
cmncomp
Trump has already stated he will deal with Europe above the UK so we are definitely not at the front of any queues.
Front or back of the queue is "empty talk" to fool people who are prone to "empty talk". The critical thing is what the deals were (past 50 years) and what deals will come along between UK and US. Just look at here on hotukdeals, there is not even a queue for us to get most of the hot deals (if you gotta money, money talks). If someone here in the "moderators team" threatens you on "Deals" that you are bottom of the queue, you are not bothered , are you, I am not? The deals are offered by the suppliers, not by some political forum, likewise the US/UK deals are offered by trade bodies and industrialists in US/UK.
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airfix
HotEnglishAndWelshDeals
airfix
With the slave to the EU winning we need Brexit more than ever.
That's the spirit. X)
Unfortunately the EU seems to be stronger than ever, driven by the utter mess of Brexit in many instances. They'll stick to their guns and we'll get a terrible deal, if we even manage to get one.
As someone increasingly out of love with modern Britain, I will watch on gleefully.
Most people voted 'non' to Madame Le Pen rather than 'oui' to Mr Macron.
Trying to change France when three quarters of the voters voted against him in round 1 will be no easy task.
Macron will find out , like Trump, that winning an election and getting what you want once in office are not the same thing.
Fairly easy, just increase the balance of trade (income or surplus) by 10% and increase the median income by between 10-20%.
Note Bien: I used "median" rather than "average" for income.

Edited By: splender on May 08, 2017 12:56
#24
There's still the Assemblée Nationale/National Assembly (sort of equivalent to the House of Commons) elections coming up on 11th and 18th of June. Macron will need an En March! majority to push through his policies, and there's no guarantee of that - let alone EM! winning the most seats.
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There was no comment on the result as the anti EU Misc favourite soundly lost. If the racist woman had won the anti EU Misc regulars would have been on here straight away celebrating the inevitable fall of the EU.......
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clostridium_botulinum
There's still the Assemblée Nationale/National Assembly (sort of equivalent to the House of Commons) elections coming up on 11th and 18th of June. Macron will need an En March! majority to push through his policies, and there's no guarantee of that - let alone EM! winning the most seats.
Clostridium botulinum, there is no cure, qu’on hésite entre la peste et le choléra : non ! C’est entre la peste et la varicelle.
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RedLozzer
There was no comment on the result as the anti EU Misc favourite soundly lost. If the racist woman had won the anti EU Misc regulars would have been on here straight away celebrating the inevitable fall of the EU.......
You made an outstanding misc point here.
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You can guarantee if Le Pen won then there would have been a thread by one of the usual suspects congratulating her...

France, especially the Big Cities, voted massively in favour of the Pro EU candidate Macron. This is a massive victory for the EU and making Britain seem even more isolated.

Selfishly, as a Remainer I was hoping Le Pen would win and force a Frexit so we wouldn't be the only ones living with an absurd decision. Oh well, even less chance of getting any deal with the EU with people like David Davis and Theresa May at the helm.

Fair play France. At least common sense prevailed for you.
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shasnir
"thought Brexit was meant to be the start of the far right revolution"
Just shows how wrong you were then as people who voted to Leave the EU are not far right, have you not yet noticed that the UK population does not support the Far Right they never have done, how many BNP or National Front have ever been a member of parliament ?
The only time the far right have ever got a look in has been as local councillors in protest votes and even that was some time ago.

Nice of you to chop the last 2 words of my quote to suit your argument.

We heard time and time again that Brexit was meant to be the spark that then got other EU countries to elect far right leaders and subsequently withdraw from the EU.

Now it doesn't seem that will be the case as the rest of Europe see sense.
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davewave
DKLS
I thought this was a sobering stat, the split of the vote for those aged 65+ was 80/20 Macron/Le Pen.
For the 18-24 age group, it was 56/44 Macron/Le Pen.
If Macron doesn't deliver I can see FN in power in 5 years time.
thats very surprising - you could be right about FN unfortunately, Macron is 'Hollande v2.0 'and Hollande proved over time to be very unpopular!

Youth unemployment is pretty high in france, 24%, not as bad as Spain and Greece but not great which may have explained the voting patterns of the under 25s.
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DKLS
davewave
DKLS
I thought this was a sobering stat, the split of the vote for those aged 65+ was 80/20 Macron/Le Pen.
For the 18-24 age group, it was 56/44 Macron/Le Pen.
If Macron doesn't deliver I can see FN in power in 5 years time.
thats very surprising - you could be right about FN unfortunately, Macron is 'Hollande v2.0 'and Hollande proved over time to be very unpopular!
Youth unemployment is pretty high in france, 24%, not as bad as Spain and Greece but not great which may have explained the voting patterns of the under 25s.
Yeah sounds about right.
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Towelie
shasnir
"thought Brexit was meant to be the start of the far right revolution"
Just shows how wrong you were then as people who voted to Leave the EU are not far right, have you not yet noticed that the UK population does not support the Far Right they never have done, how many BNP or National Front have ever been a member of parliament ?
The only time the far right have ever got a look in has been as local councillors in protest votes and even that was some time ago.
Nice of you to chop the last 2 words of my quote to suit your argument.
We heard time and time again that Brexit was meant to be the spark that then got other EU countries to elect far right leaders and subsequently withdraw from the EU.
Now it doesn't seem that will be the case as the rest of Europe see sense.

Isn't the point that, in general, a distaste for the EU is completely separate to a political view leaning right?

Evident by the fact the UK voted out of the EU (brexit), but have far fewer people that would vote far right than France (based on this election at least). There is no link at all between an EU referendum and European country elections, it's just people trying to find a link out of nothing to suit their own agenda.

Edited By: delusion on May 08, 2017 14:00
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davewave
DKLS
davewave
DKLS
I thought this was a sobering stat, the split of the vote for those aged 65+ was 80/20 Macron/Le Pen.
For the 18-24 age group, it was 56/44 Macron/Le Pen.
If Macron doesn't deliver I can see FN in power in 5 years time.
thats very surprising - you could be right about FN unfortunately, Macron is 'Hollande v2.0 'and Hollande proved over time to be very unpopular!
Youth unemployment is pretty high in france, 24%, not as bad as Spain and Greece but not great which may have explained the voting patterns of the under 25s.
Yeah sounds about right.

Not far off, 24.6% According to the OECD https://data.oecd.org/unemp/youth-unemployment-rate.htm
I wonder what we could learn from Japan, Iceland and Germany to lower ours down from 13%. I also note from that chart the eu doesn't seem to be working too well for the youth of Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal and France.
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DKLS
davewave
DKLS
davewave
DKLS
I thought this was a sobering stat, the split of the vote for those aged 65+ was 80/20 Macron/Le Pen.
For the 18-24 age group, it was 56/44 Macron/Le Pen.
If Macron doesn't deliver I can see FN in power in 5 years time.
thats very surprising - you could be right about FN unfortunately, Macron is 'Hollande v2.0 'and Hollande proved over time to be very unpopular!
Youth unemployment is pretty high in france, 24%, not as bad as Spain and Greece but not great which may have explained the voting patterns of the under 25s.
Yeah sounds about right.
Not far off, 24.6% According to the OECD https://data.oecd.org/unemp/youth-unemployment-rate.htm
I wonder what we could learn from Japan, Iceland and Germany to lower ours down from 13%. I also note from that chart the eu doesn't seem to be working too well for the youth of Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal and France.
officially for all people working for the EU everything is perfect - oh and the snowflakes have just discovered that the sun shines out of Juncker's ....
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#36
Error440
At least some countries have some common sense, there's still hope for humanity yet.
He's promised to crack down on nepotism and excessive mp's expenses. He sounds a bit like Trump to me. I wonder if he's going to build a wall near Calais if he doesn't like the Brexit outcome?
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davewave
rossco1987
Brexiteers are very sensitive to the allegations of racism. Wonder why...
The general consensus is that the vote for Leave appealed to racists. Not everyone who wanted to leave is racist, far from it...there are all sorts of reasons for voting, nothing is black and white.
But the majority of racists and the majority of people who can't speak English properly (which overlap a lot, ironically) voted to leave because they figured we'd become 'Great' Britain again and some sort of superpower. It's not the 1950s. Things are very different now. We've voted to leave, which we have to accept, and it seems the Tories are going to win another election. Not because the Tories are any good (they're scum), but because the alternatives are so pathetic. Corbyn is pointless.
Just my opinion, not bothered if people disagree, as I'm off for a quickie.
would remainers be sensitive to an accusation of racism...thoughtless!

Amazingly he just joined to say that too.
#38
Turnout was the lowest in more than 40 years. Almost one-third of voters chose neither Macron nor Le Pen, with 12 million abstaining and 4.2 million spoiling ballot papers, but at least Macron and Le Pen kicked out the old establishment of the last 50 years.

Edited By: shasnir on May 08, 2017 16:16: Shorter
#39
shasnir
Turnout was the lowest in more than 40 years. Almost one-third of voters chose neither Macron nor Le Pen, with 12 million abstaining and 4.2 million spoiling ballot papers, but at least Macron and Le Pen kicked out the old establishment of the last 50 years.
I can't see how Macron could be worse than the previous lot.
Higher unemployment.
Poorer security.
Higher unchecked immigration
??
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shasnir
Turnout was the lowest in more than 40 years. Almost one-third of voters chose neither Macron nor Le Pen, with 12 million abstaining and 4.2 million spoiling ballot papers, but at least Macron and Le Pen kicked out the old establishment of the last 50 years.
Macron got 20.7m votes out of a total electorate of 47m, which equates to roughly 44% of all voters, voting for him.

In another two horse race, 17.4m out of a total electorate of 46.5m which equates to roughly 37.5% of all voters, voted for the UK to leave the EU.

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