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harlzter Avatar
6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
Little lad fell of a bus stop seat sunday and banged his arm, we took him to a&e because manipulating it I could feel a click so suspected a break, spent ages at the hospital waiting for an xray which came back clear.

Now we have just had a call saying they have reviewed the xray and niow suspect it is fractured, but cant see him until tomorrow, is this delay likely to cause long term effects?
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6y, 5m agoPosted 6 years, 5 months ago
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#1
just take him back to A+E they will have to see him
#2
i wouldent know bud but i hope you get your boy sorted soon man is the little chap in pain?
#3
raptorcigs
i wouldent know bud but i hope you get your boy sorted soon man is the little chap in pain?

Cheers, yes he is, and is hardly moving the arm at all.
#4
It shouldn't do. Young bones usually heal well. An extra 24 hours isn't going to make a significant difference. If it was likely to cause problems they would get you in PDQ because they would be worried about getting sued.
#5
That's shocking, get a hold of their patient charter and complain.
#6
I'm not medically qualified; but I don't think there's too much to worry about; if the bone was displaced / needed resetting they'd have spotted the fracture straight away.

My youngest was always breaking bones and one time went a week with a broken big toe before telling us she'd hurt it.

Hope the little guy gets sorted out OK :-)
#7
Spod
It shouldn't do. Young bones usually heal well. An extra 24 hours isn't going to make a significant difference. If it was likely to cause problems they would get you in PDQ because they would be worried about getting sued.

Its more than 24 hours its 5 full days (120 hours)
#8
poor little spud take him back
#9
You manipulated your child? Reported to mods and the police.
#10
mr.potato_head
You manipulated your child? Reported to mods and the police.


Lmao
#11
it depends on the fracture, if its just a hairline fracture it wont make any difference, however if it is a total break all the way through the bone it really should be immobilised as soon as possible because if it moves it could cause damage to the surrounding tissue and blood vessels, my guess is that as they didnt spot it straight away its probably a hairline or "greenstick" fracture which are very common in children, however as i said if your concerned just take him to A+E today as if you turn up they can not turn you away
#12
I thought you couldn't smoke anywhere on hospital grounds these days.
#13
You cant win either way can you really, you'll likely spend hours in A & E if you take him there too. We took our little boy to A&E one afternoon and didn't leave there until midnight, keeping him happy/occupied during that time was an utter nightmare! I guess its up to you to weigh it up, but if it were me and he was still in pain I'd pack a load of toys and get us down to A&E.. Then complain!
#14
Nikki999
You cant win either way can you really, you'll likely spend hours in A & E if you take him there too. We took our little boy to A&E one afternoon and didn't leave there until midnight, keeping him happy/occupied during that time was an utter nightmare! I guess its up to you to weigh it up, but if it were me and he was still in pain I'd pack a load of toys and get us down to A&E.. Then complain!

+1

sparxuk
it depends on the fracture, if its just a hairline fracture it wont make any difference, however if it is a total break all the way through the bone it really should be immobilised as soon as possible because if it moves it could cause damage to the surrounding tissue and blood vessels, my guess is that as they didnt spot it straight away its probably a hairline or "greenstick" fracture which are very common in children, however as i said if your concerned just take him to A+E today as if you turn up they can not turn you away

+1

It probably is OK; but you know your child and how he's doing - if you really feel he needs seeing right away I'd say go with your feelings but in either case be prepared for a long wait.
#15
Contact your MP and see what they have to say about it, they will write to the hospital and they will find out what went on for you.
1 Like #16
FFS people!!

Whats the point of complaining until you know if youve got something to complain about? Contact your MP !!!! Talk about jumping the gun.

When an x-ray is done in A&E it is reviewed by the A&E staff on the day & treated appropriately.

As a matter of routine the x-ray then goes to an "x-ray specialist" for a second look. This can often throw up small issues which are not immediately noticable without specialist knowledge. I imagine thats what has happened in your lads case.

Much of the time these newly highlighted issues require not treatment & dont need to be reviewed as an emergency. They may be seen at a fracture clinic as opposed to "A&E" which may be why he is being asked to come in tomorrow (were you given a specific time / appointment?).

Many small fractures cant be seen on the initial x-ray and need another x-ray later to show the "healing" area which does show up but only later when comparing a before and after x-ray.

So on the face of it what the hospital is doing isnt that unusual and certainly doesnt warrant a complaint through a MP yet........

If you go on to suspect there has been any neglegance speak with the A&E face to face first to get their side of the story first (seems only fair?).




Having said all that you said that he is still sore and not using the arm - that does need to be reviewed. When / how quickly that needs to be done depends on a fair few things:

- How much has he been using it since accident?
- Has the usage (of his arm) increased or decreased over the last few days?
- How much analgesia has he needed over the last few days / today.

I suggest calling NHS Direct or your GP (if you can speak with him on phone) & getting further advice about whats happening with him now.
banned 1 Like #17
Its only a broken bone, stop whining, there are hundreds here that have been shocked by the poor new site but you don't see them complaining
#18
harlzter
Spod
It shouldn't do. Young bones usually heal well. An extra 24 hours isn't going to make a significant difference. If it was likely to cause problems they would get you in PDQ because they would be worried about getting sued.

Its more than 24 hours its 5 full days (120 hours)


I said an *extra* 24 hours - ie 24 hours from now. Read what I wrote, not what you think I might have written.
#19
Be glad you dont use my parents hospital, you need an appointment to get seen then you wont get seen for about 3 hours or more, no joke as my dad has a appointment to get his broken arm checked, 1 hour later he was waiting and was told it might be another 2 hours but likely 3 or more and spoke to someone who had already been waiting 4 hours and yet loads of doctors and nurses were standing about doing nothing but chatting and only had 1 room in use out of about 4 the entire hour he was there!
1 Like #20
Tomb
FFS people!!

Whats the point of complaining until you know if youve got something to complain about? Contact your MP !!!! Talk about jumping the gun.

When an x-ray is done in A&E it is reviewed by the A&E staff on the day & treated appropriately.

As a matter of routine the x-ray then goes to an "x-ray specialist" for a second look. This can often throw up small issues which are not immediately noticable without specialist knowledge. I imagine thats what has happened in your lads case.

Much of the time these newly highlighted issues require not treatment & dont need to be reviewed as an emergency. They may be seen at a fracture clinic as opposed to "A&E" which may be why he is being asked to come in tomorrow (were you given a specific time / appointment?).

Many small fractures cant be seen on the initial x-ray and need another x-ray later to show the "healing" area which does show up but only later when comparing a before and after x-ray.

So on the face of it what the hospital is doing isnt that unusual and certainly doesnt warrant a complaint through a MP yet........

If you go on to suspect there has been any neglegance speak with the A&E face to face first to get their side of the story first (seems only fair?).




Having said all that you said that he is still sore and not using the arm - that does need to be reviewed. When / how quickly that needs to be done depends on a fair few things:

- How much has he been using it since accident?
- Has the usage (of his arm) increased or decreased over the last few days?
- How much analgesia has he needed over the last few days / today.

I suggest calling NHS Direct or your GP (if you can speak with him on phone) & getting further advice about whats happening with him now.[/quot
[quote=Tomb]FFS people!!

Whats the point of complaining until you know if youve got something to complain about? Contact your MP !!!! Talk about jumping the gun.

When an x-ray is done in A&E it is reviewed by the A&E staff on the day & treated appropriately.

As a matter of routine the x-ray then goes to an "x-ray specialist" for a second look. This can often throw up small issues which are not immediately noticable without specialist knowledge. I imagine thats what has happened in your lads case.

Much of the time these newly highlighted issues require not treatment & dont need to be reviewed as an emergency. They may be seen at a fracture clinic as opposed to "A&E" which may be why he is being asked to come in tomorrow (were you given a specific time / appointment?).

Many small fractures cant be seen on the initial x-ray and need another x-ray later to show the "healing" area which does show up but only later when comparing a before and after x-ray.

So on the face of it what the hospital is doing isnt that unusual and certainly doesnt warrant a complaint through a MP yet........

If you go on to suspect there has been any neglegance speak with the A&E face to face first to get their side of the story first (seems only fair?).




Having said all that you said that he is still sore and not using the arm - that does need to be reviewed. When / how quickly that needs to be done depends on a fair few things:

- How much has he been using it since accident?
- Has the usage (of his arm) increased or decreased over the last few days?
- How much analgesia has he needed over the last few days / today.

I suggest calling NHS Direct or your GP (if you can speak with him on phone) & getting further advice about whats happening with him now.


well said, everyone makes a mistake from time to time, health service workers (including myself) work hard to help the public, and it really gets my goat when everyone jumps on the blame bandwagon, people are always quick to complain but very rarely praise the hard work that is done by the NHS
#21
No magic pill can heal your sons arm, it will heal on its own. my sons broken (green stick isit?) twice, they will put it in plaster and you might have to wait for that too. If your concerned bandage it up around so he cant use it. give em calpol.
#22
That's the world we live in, when was the last time you saw the front headline in a newspaper which was a "good" news story? Sad but true.
#23
This seems to me at the heart an issue about communication. When you are involved with the NHS like this as a patient you can feel powerless as the system pulls you into it's cogs and churns you through.

NHS staff are under a lot of pressure and often what the patient sees as extreme or traumatising incidents are just seen as routine by them.


While this mistake may have been understandable and "nobodys fault" the way it was communicated was a problem. The patient/parent should be given as much information to reassure them that no harm was or will be done by the mistake and why it "can" wait until the appointment.
#24
grab a shotgun and go sort them out......its the done thing these days :{
#25
When you go to A&E, you will be assessed and categorised according to the medical staffs opinion of the level of seriousness. You will then be seen asap in line with the deemed priority.
A&E staff always give added urgency to ambulance cases until they are judged less serious or things like heart attacks or issues likely to result in death.
If you are unlucky enough to attend at one of these busy times your wait may indeed be extended. But atm wait times imo are better than they have been for many years and I sincerely hope they do not return to the days of old. It is possible as Andrew Landsley (new health minister) has started out by abolishing waiting targets.

Hope your lad is ok. I agree with what some of the medical people have said in that if it was deemed a medical emergency they would have asked you to go back today.
#26
WoolyM
that if it was deemed a medical emergency they would have asked you to go back today.


i think you are giving the hospital too much credit.........if it was deemed serious enough for a compensation case they would call them back in.

otherwise they dont partcually care these days.......negligence is rife everywhere

"its a little kid....he'll mend" is more likely to be the thought behind it
#27
sparxuk


well said, everyone makes a mistake from time to time, health service workers (including myself) work hard to help the public, and it really gets my goat when everyone jumps on the blame bandwagon, people are always quick to complain but very rarely praise the hard work that is done by the NHS


And they can afford to make mistakes? When peoples lives depend on them sometimes!?

Where to start..?
Failing to carry out adequate blood tests on my Aunt whilst undergoing chemo, thus failing to spot problems developing with her kidneys, resulting in kidney failure and her dying within 2 days!
Treating my Nanna like a piece of meat, shouting at her and pulling her around just because she needed a wee. Had they not stopped all her meds she might have been able to help herself.. But really though, is there really any excuse to have treated her that way anyway, its not like she was giving them any trouble, she just needed some help! My poor Dad had to leave the room. (Incidentally she died shortly after, although we don't know for sure if them stopping her medication was directly related to that).
My Grandad, failing to spot the problem with him on his X-ray until AFTER he died from it, all we got as an apology was some poxy letter! - So yeah, everyone does make mistakes! Ace.
My other grandad, who has been butchered and is now considered 'a special case' can no longer leave his house, drive or do anything really, but have they bothered to consult with any one else from another hospital to see what can be done to help him? Nope. Although Im pretty sure said consultant would do his absolute best if it was someone in his own family, and probably would search the length and breadth of the country to find someone who knew what could be done.. But as it is he acts like he doesnt even care, probably because he doesn't.. And my grandad now feels 'He's just a number' and holds no faith in them helping what so ever, and tbh, I cant blame him after several ops have gone wrong and with the way he gets spoken to and treated.. His urology consultant even said to him 'I didn't think we'd see you again' when asked what he meant by this he explained he expected him to be dead, and why did he say this, because he had become so infected at one of his operations.. how polite of him to say such things though don't you think, it must fill him with confidence! He also had to ring 999 just this last weekend because the hospital replaced his catheter with the wrong sort and size, meaning the 'balloon' holding it in inside burst.. When one of the nurses pointed out at the time that they actually had the right size etc in the drawer, the doctor said 'oh, it doesn't matter', yeah right!
My Fiances Dad.. He can't speak as a result of having had a stroke some years ago and nurses failed to feed him for ONE WEEK! At his last admittance they also failed to remove his catheter that should have been in for 2 weeks, so by the time he was left to go to his new care home 5 weeks later, he had a severe infection and was delirious.. Their explanation? 'It must be the care homes fault' Regardless of the fact he'd only been in there 2 days, and still the hospital still hadn't sent on/released his paperwork, if they had maybe the care home would have spotted it!

I could go on and on tbh! Maybe we're just an unlucky/unfortunate family, but if something good actually did happen, I for one would sing their praises!

I actually dread having to go to hospital because the number of times they've made mistakes with my family, and tbh they FAR outweigh the times they've done any good.

I now expect a barrage of horrible replies from the NHS workers on here, and I'm by no means knocking every single health worker in England, I appreciate they must do some great things.. but Im sorry, after whats gone on over the last 4 years with the nhs and us I just about give up.
Its just the way I feel, sorry. :(
#28
intergeri
That's the world we live in, when was the last time you saw the front headline in a newspaper which was a "good" news story? Sad but true.


Because people don't report the 'good' - they only report the 'bad'.
#29
Agree with sparxuk

Have to attend quite often these days and you see a lot more if you are there regularly rather than as a one off.
@Nicky999. Kidney disease is a silent disease. It can become very dangerous very quickly without too many noticeable signs unless you are already monitoring regularly for it.
Yes mistakes do occur on occasions and I have seen some instances where certain staff in certain instances could be more professional but the vast majority are dilligent and hard working.
Really sorry its too late for some of your family. But everyone has a finite term of life.
What I have learnt is that it is best to take an active interest in your medical condition and find out which hospitals have a good or better reputation in dealing with it. Exercise patient choice and attend your preferred hospital. If you are unhappy with service recieved then there is the patient liason service. None of this is any use right now to you Nikki but it may be in the future.
There really are some excellent staff out there.
#30
This reminds me, I really need to get my pinkie looked at. It took a bit of a knock about five weeks ago, right on the knuckle, and it still hurts to touch and appears swollen. Strange thing. Makes me wonder if I've chipped it.
#31
sparxuk

well said, everyone makes a mistake from time to time, health service workers (including myself) work hard to help the public, and it really gets my goat when everyone jumps on the blame bandwagon, people are always quick to complain but very rarely praise the hard work that is done by the NHS


Yes but that deosnt mean you shouldnt complain if you have an issue, your reply just feels like "oh but there is so much good that it does therefore you should never complain"

My dad as I said above waited over a hour to be told they had no idea when he would get seen, likely not for another 2-3 hours and this was WITH an appointment whilst doctors and nurses stood around chatting for ages without doing work.

My grandad was recently in hospital and he was worried since the last time he was in he got a bad infection and had to stay longer and was treated like a piece of meat, plus my aunt who goes to the same hospital who has back injuries was made worse by getting infected when she was in and she has been in about 5 times at least and every time got an infection! and when she had the operation on her back they chucked her out within a day to find out that because she was released early due to lack of beds she got made worse.

And guess what!? my Grandad got infected when he was in just a few weeks ago as he feared.

So much for the hardworking NHS there!
#32
Agree with Nicky999!

My Grandad was very poorly in hospital but was sociable and chatty etc, next time I went to see him he had changed. I had worked in a nursing home prior to this, and it seemed like the result of a stroke to me. I pointed this out to my family who all said I was wrong because the doctors had scanned him and said he had not had a stroke. I was adamant and eve told them it was a mini stroke (a TIA? or something like that).

Low and behold 3 days later after 'rechecking' the scan results the docs had realised he had suffered from a mini stroke. I knew this because I had encountered it, even one lady had one whilst I was dressing her, I knew what happened after someone has suffered one. It should not take me a joe bloggs with no medical training (just a bit of occupational experience) to point out something which should be blatantly obvious not only to a doctor, or nurse, but even an auxilliary health care worker.

I am not slating every health care worker at all, but with the rididculously low wages and impossible targets for nurses how is everbody patient to experience even an adequate level of care? When my LO was born last year I told 3 different midwives that my child had jaundice (my first had it and knew from her colour that the 2nd had it too) They all kept saying, 'no she looks ok to me' or 'it only looks slight, nothing to worry about'. I knew they were wrong so kept her in front of window to get sunlight to her, but after 2 days she appeared worse and finally a midwife agreed with my concerns and she had to go under phototherapy for 4 days, had they listened to my concerns initially she may have only needed 12-24 hours of phototherapy.

Doctors are rubbish in hospitals, again not tarring everyone with the same brush but in my last pregnancy up until the birth of my LO I saw about 7 different doctors, they didn't listen to me and take into consideration my opinions, barely even looked me in the eye, just mumbled some medical jargon then walk away. If I behaved like that in a job (minus the jargon lol) I would be sacked!

RANT OVER LOL!
#33
Moral of the story Harlzter is if your instincts tell you something pursue it, ask for 2nd opinions etc!
#34
srry but really annoys me people slagging off nhs only had to go into hospital twice and the crap the doctors and nurses etc have to put up with makes me wonder why they do, they were absolute stars
#35
jamstaruk1972
srry but really annoys me people slagging off nhs only had to go into hospital twice and the crap the doctors and nurses etc have to put up with makes me wonder why they do, they were absolute stars


My dads an ex nurse and HE complains about the state of affairs.

Now neither he nor I am saying that the concept of the NHS is bad but its the inadequacy of it and the idea that if you were private you would get treated far better by the same staff.

Some hospitals literally are terrible and yes many staff are overworked and stressed but the fact is many get angry and blame the patients and/or have got to the point where they are fed up and just go by routines.

A friendly member of staff doesnt automatically make a efficent or good member of staff.
#36
you all wanna complain go private and pay for your care...oh wait...

be happy with what we've got we're lucky
banned#37
reminds me of the time I collided with a tractor, two doctors were arguing in front of me that my sternum was cracked and that my aorta was hanging out of my heart. Was just a broken collar bone thankfully.
suspended#38
Have you been injured in an accident in the last 3 years that wasn't your fault...
#39
numptyj
you all wanna complain go private and pay for your care...oh wait...

be happy with what we've got we're lucky


Sadly private doesn't always guarantee you're better off, I had an allergic reaction to one of my medications after an op in a private hospital and the nurse at first didn't believe that I didn't 'feel right' and then later on several nurses and the Dr on call didn't know what to do and which medicine to counteract it, it took over an hour of not feeling right and minor reaction and then half an hour of severe reaction to the point where I could hardly breathe before they finally gave me what I needed - when the same happened in the NHS hospital with a similar drug they gave me the antidote straight away.
I was also given the wrong medication in the private hospital. But, in general I would say that the private hospital nurses have more time so are less stressed and able to have more interaction with you.

I do think in general that we are so very lucky to have what we have even if it is not perfect - my friend in Australia has to pay to see their GP, pay full price for prescriptions, pay for hospital treatment, and it can be crippling with all those charges.
We can get free access to treatment and can ask for a second opinion free of charge as well if we want it, and our prescriptions are subsidised to name a few things.
I hope the OP's boy gets his arm sorted asap, but I think we forget sometimes in the UK how lucky we are for our healthcare and education etc, we are privileged.
#40
Not impressed myself with a and e either , cut me hand 10 pm going on me hols the next day so went to a and e , and saw the triarge nurse who said " cant say if that needs a stitch as if I do you may sue us but theres a 3 hr wait I would wash it and if its still bleeding then stay" so I did , didnt fancy staying up until the early hrs so went home via tesco 24 for a large plaster , next day a sat my docs not open on a sat so they have an emergency docs at the hospital rang asked if someone could take a look at my hand the answer was no go a and e ! In the end i went a chemist and showed them the chemist said that needs a stitch you could use these suitchers but I cant help you may sue me. the happy ending is the chemist could see I was upset and helped me in the end,which I thank her , shame a and e and the docs are in the buck passing business instead of helping someone with a genuine problem.

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