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G20 Policeman to be prosecuted for manslaughter

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[mod] 5y, 6m agoPosted 5 years, 6 months ago
A police officer is to be charged with manslaughter over the death of newspaper seller Ian Tomlinson during the 2009 G20 protests.

The Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer, said there was now a "realistic prospect" of convicting Pc Simon Harwood.

An inquest earlier this month returned a verdict of unlawful death on the 47-year-old.

Mr Tomlinson's family said they were "more than happy" about the decision.

The officer is due to appear before magistrates on 20 June.

The inquest heard Mr Tomlinson collapsed and died after he was hit by a baton and pushed to the ground by Pc Simon Harwood in central London on 1 April 2009.
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[mod] 5y, 6m agoPosted 5 years, 6 months ago
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banned#2
correct decision by the CPS .. thread /
banned#3
Oh how he must really be regretting that incident now.
banned 1 Like #4
He'll never be convicted as he has Thesaint acting as his legal adviser....

http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/ian-tomlinson-unlawfully-killed-pc-inquest-rules/931866?page=1
banned#5
Not going to end well for the CPS
banned#6
dimebars
Not going to end well for the CPS


why not?
banned#7
Good.Seems fair to me.
#8
Not good enough. The so called 'Policeman' should be publicly executed for his actions.
banned#9
greatest666
Good.Seems fair to me.

ha isn't that the monkey off the face book stalker scam? To OP my view is this wil make all police turn soft.
banned#10
colinsunderland
dimebars
Not going to end well for the CPS


why not?


How can he get a fair trial? He can't so the case will disappear
banned#11
dimebars
colinsunderland
dimebars
Not going to end well for the CPS


why not?


How can he get a fair trial? He can't so the case will disappear


why not?

Edited By: colinsunderland on May 24, 2011 23:31
banned#12
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.
banned#13
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

Why worry that he gets a fair trial....The inquest has found his actions an "unlawful killing" and unlike most offences this one was caught on camera for all to see that he is guilty.

If you mean due to the high level of public interest his sentence is incredibly harsh...then good
banned#14
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.


Thesaint has volunteered allegedly!X)
#15
I know the outcome was that someone died but (without researching more) isn't all this policeman did is push the guy to the floor? I have seen alot worse from bouncers and even in playgrounds. Why are people acting like he's an evil murderer?
#16
gbspurs
I know the outcome was that someone died but (without researching more) isn't all this policeman did is push the guy to the floor? I have seen alot worse from bouncers and even in playgrounds. Why are people acting like he's an evil murderer?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8004861.stm

Yeah he "only" pushed him to the floor, but the point is that the policeman's unnecessary actions resulted a man's death.

Edited By: RosieWoo on May 25, 2011 09:03
banned#17
Tomlinson was hit with a baton once and then shoved to the ground.
#18
Ok can't see the footage as on iPhone but it also said struck which changes things.

The only issue I have is that we need to police to stand up tough against some types and granted this guy turned out to not be a threat but if criminal convictions are on offer then the police force will become a whistle blowing force.

I think if he had been beating the guy badly resulting in death I would feel more like something should be done but the offense seems tame (not the guy dying) compared to what the police are up against.
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lumoruk
greatest666
Good.Seems fair to me.

ha isn't that the monkey off the face book stalker scam? To OP my view is this wil make all police turn soft.

I don't think so, most of the police I know ( 2 bil, 1 sil, 2 cousins and an uncle all serving ) feel that he should face the consequences of his actions, it was an unprovoked attack, different story if provoked, he would've been doing his job and protecting himself and/or other officers and the public.
1 Like #20
I watched the press conference announcing the decision. I have to say I have rarely seen such a spineless display of oratory and never from an organisation declaring it's intention to pursue a case.

The hesitation, caveats and obvious reluctance shown in this display was an open invitation to the defense. They may as well have stood up and said we are prosecuting because we have been forced to by the weight of evidence but will grasp at any defense strategy in order to drop the case as soon as possible.

A police force should not be above the law. The position of power they hold means their standards should be higher than that of the general public. If this police officer was competent in any way he understood the law in relation to his actions, If he did not he should at the very least never be allowed that power again.
banned#21
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

you could say the same about Peter Sutcliffe etc etc ;)
banned#22
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.


So you are saying a case shouldn't go ahead if there has been national publicity of it as he can't get a fair trial? Better let Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley etc out now then and anyone else convicted after the crime/arrest was in the media.

Edited By: colinsunderland on May 25, 2011 09:36
banned#23
csiman
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

you could say the same about Peter Sutcliffe etc etc ;)


lol great minds.........
banned#24
colinsunderland
csiman
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

you could say the same about Peter Sutcliffe etc etc ;)


lol great minds.........

mine is obviously a bit quicker than yours lol ;)
banned#25
csiman
colinsunderland
csiman
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

you could say the same about Peter Sutcliffe etc etc ;)


lol great minds.........

mine is obviously a bit quicker than yours lol ;)


or you can type faster (_;)
banned#26
colinsunderland
csiman
colinsunderland
csiman
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

you could say the same about Peter Sutcliffe etc etc ;)


lol great minds.........

mine is obviously a bit quicker than yours lol ;)


or you can type faster (_;)

or you have more of a life outside HUKD ;)
#27
csiman
colinsunderland
csiman
colinsunderland
csiman
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

you could say the same about Peter Sutcliffe etc etc ;)


lol great minds.........

mine is obviously a bit quicker than yours lol ;)


or you can type faster (_;)

or you have more of a life outside HUKD ;)


I've heard Premier Inn are doing cheap rooms again. You two might be interested.
banned#28
dtovey89
csiman
colinsunderland
csiman
colinsunderland
csiman
dimebars
How can he possibly receive a fair trial by jury? Unless the jury selected are from Mars, the extensive coverage given to this case will taint anyone's mind.

you could say the same about Peter Sutcliffe etc etc ;)


lol great minds.........

mine is obviously a bit quicker than yours lol ;)


or you can type faster (_;)

or you have more of a life outside HUKD ;)


I've heard Premier Inn are doing cheap rooms again. You two might be interested.


bit expensive, travelodge £19 :)
banned#29
I didn't say it shouldn't go ahead. Bit I think the chances of a sound conviction are slim based on the publicity surrounding this circus/witch hunt.
banned#30
dimebars
I didn't say it shouldn't go ahead. Bit I think the chances of a sound conviction are slim based on the publicity surrounding this circus/witch hunt.


so how is it any different to Huntley or Sutcliffe? They were both found guilty by the media even before stepping in a courtroom, and had a lot worse publicity than this guy.
banned#31
dimebars
I didn't say it shouldn't go ahead. Bit I think the chances of a sound conviction are slim based on the publicity surrounding this circus/witch hunt.

We all know its gonna be not guilty anyway. The CPS have to make it look like they are acting in the public interest; even if it costs a million quid to the taxpayer. Still, the lawyers get another fat paycheck and the copper gets 12 months paid leave ;)

be back in 12 months backtracking..............8)
banned#32
csiman
dimebars
I didn't say it shouldn't go ahead. Bit I think the chances of a sound conviction are slim based on the publicity surrounding this circus/witch hunt.
We all know its gonna be not guilty anyway. The CPS have to make it look like they are acting in the public interest; even if it costs a million quid to the taxpayer. Still, the lawyers get another fat paycheck and the copper gets 12 months paid leave ;)

Followed by 10 years unpaid leave hopefully!

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