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Gatso speed cameras need a 21st century update to improve road safety.

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Gatso cameras need replacing, old 90's technology and viewed by a large proportion of the public as a cash cow. Police forces, Government, local councils and road safety partnerships always bleat t… Read More
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5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
Gatso cameras need replacing, old 90's technology and viewed by a large proportion of the public as a cash cow.

Police forces, Government, local councils and road safety partnerships always bleat that they are purely a road safety measure and not a cash generator, surely road safety and public perception can easily be improved by bringing these old cameras up to date with technology that already exists.

I believe, in certain areas, average speed cameras are the answer, people often slow down approaching and speed up after the camera, especially in rural areas, built up areas should have more mobile cameras at different spots, stop people becoming complacent.

This would surely improve road safety and punish the motorists who blatantly speed without thought of pedestrians and other road users.
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5m, 1w agoPosted 5 months, 1 week ago
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Driving slowly is also becoming a big issue, especially here in Devon and Cornwall with a very high older population. Driving at 45mph in a 60 limit in perfectly safe conditions is a pain. If you can no longer meet the speed limit for whatever reason (confidence, reactions, eye sight), give up driving.
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XxLJCJxX
Average speed cameras work the best by far. .

Yeah

They are great at midnight with no traffic & no workmen about set at 40mph on the M1

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GATSOs don't need an update. They need removing completely considering they were all switched off, in my area, several years ago. Now they're just an ugly target for vandals.

Edited By: stuarthanley on Feb 10, 2017 19:43
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all for them, rather than catching someone who just strays over, they would catch the idiots.
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Average speed cameras work the best by far. Its like you say, people slow down for the Gatso camera and then pick up speed again. Whats the point of enforcing the speed limit for 15m of road. The average cameras keep you in check throughout the whole village etc.
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Driving slowly is also becoming a big issue, especially here in Devon and Cornwall with a very high older population. Driving at 45mph in a 60 limit in perfectly safe conditions is a pain. If you can no longer meet the speed limit for whatever reason (confidence, reactions, eye sight), give up driving.
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I think those big LED signs which detect your actual speed and then follows on to say 'SLOW DOWN' are far more effective than speed cameras. For me anyway.

Similar to this:

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XxLJCJxX
Average speed cameras work the best by far. .

Yeah

They are great at midnight with no traffic & no workmen about set at 40mph on the M1
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XxLJCJxX
Driving slowly is also becoming a big issue, especially here in Devon and Cornwall with a very high older population. Driving at 45mph in a 60 limit in perfectly safe conditions is a pain. If you can no longer meet the speed limit for whatever reason (confidence, reactions, eye sight), give up driving.
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XxLJCJxX
Driving slowly is also becoming a big issue, especially here in Devon and Cornwall with a very high older population. Driving at 45mph in a 60 limit in perfectly safe conditions is a pain. If you can no longer meet the speed limit for whatever reason (confidence, reactions, eye sight), give up driving.

The "speed limit" is a maximum legal speed, not a mandatory requirement for travel, of course.
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YouDontWantToKnow
XxLJCJxX
Average speed cameras work the best by far. .
Yeah
They are great at midnight with no traffic & no workmen about set at 40mph on the M1

My opinion, motorway speeds are an all together different discussion, raising the speed limit on motorways does need a review, considering the advance in technology of vehicles since the current speed limits where implemented.

Road works on motorways do require speed enforcement, change of road surface, narrow lanes, workers on the road etc. If the lower limit prevents one death, the additional driving time is worth it.

"A" roads and built up areas are what my suggestions are for, average speed cameras are already proved to work on the motorway network.
When I say proof, I mean motorists slowing down over a period of enforcement rather than, as already stated, a 15 meter stretch of road.

While we are at it, we should introduce vehicles with ANPR and CCTV, (same technology as traffic police) to enforce the law at schools and other vulnerable areas where people show no consideration to the law when parking.
suspended 4 Likes #11
I want middle lane camera.
Over a motor way, looking into the distance. Middle lane drivers who have no regard to the laws or understanding of the motorway get an instant £100 fine and three points.
It's the only way they will learn, as swerving in front of them from lane 3 to 1 doesn't make a blind bit of difference (I've witnessed).
#12
They are a cash cow regardless of whether gatso or a more modern version
Prime example is the new 30mph limit on princes parkway in Manchester
Should raise another few million to prop up the pensions and also for the extravagant lunches and trips abroad to be enjoyed by the lucky few
suspended#13
Cash cow... What stupid comments, it all helps balance the books, it is not as if the cash goes into some individuals private account.
If we can help the force or councils reduce their budget deficits by serving financial penalties to people that can not stick to road laws, then why not.

Edited By: Chiptivo on Feb 10, 2017 20:21
#14
Chiptivo
I want middle lane camera.
Over a motor way, looking into the distance. Middle lane drivers who have no regard to the laws or understanding of the motorway get an instant £100 fine and three points.
It's the only way they will learn, as swerving in front of them from lane 3 to 1 doesn't make a blind bit of difference (I've witnessed).

My local police force are actively targeting middle lane hoggers, unfortunately they can't sustain the enforcement all year round due to other commitments and cut backs, surely technology exists that average speed cameras could also monitor and report middle lane dangerous drivers.
#15
Answer to speeding problem is simple but unfortunately wouldn't raise the taxes that cameras bring in
Technology is already that to limit the speed of all vehicles set by roadside sensors and in vehicle electronic control boxes according to speed limit set
Hence all speed cameras are cash cows
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Chiptivo
Cash cow... What stupid comments, it all helps balance the books, it is not as if the cash goes into some individuals private account.
If we can help the force or councils reduce their budget deficits by serving financial penalties to people that can not stick to road laws, then why not.


Cameras are there purely to raise cash. So yes they are cash cows What's stupid about that ?
You are the one saying they are there to balance the books proving that they are a cash cow indeed

Edited By: livinthedream on Feb 10, 2017 20:24: Xyz
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XxLJCJxX
Driving slowly is also becoming a big issue, especially here in Devon and Cornwall with a very high older population. Driving at 45mph in a 60 limit in perfectly safe conditions is a pain. If you can no longer meet the speed limit for whatever reason (confidence, reactions, eye sight), give up driving.
The "speed limit" is a maximum legal speed, not a mandatory requirement for travel, of course.

Of course. However, telling yourself that won't help your frustration levels when you're in a massive convoy following Margaret doing 40mph in a 60. God forbid you should have to join a dual carriageway or motorway with her leading the way, still doing 40mph and not using the slip road to accelerate. Fatal accident waiting to happen.
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Chiptivo
Cash cow... What stupid comments, it all helps balance the books, it is not as if the cash goes into some individuals private account.
If we can help the force or councils reduce their budget deficits by serving financial penalties to people that can not stick to road laws, then why not.
Shame the cameras only catch speeders. You could be the only vehicle on the entire length of the road and end up with a fine for driving slightly over the limit and yet middle lane hogs, bumper hogs, those that drive too slow, those that drive erratically etc all get away Scott free.
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livinthedream
Chiptivo
Cash cow... What stupid comments, it all helps balance the books, it is not as if the cash goes into some individuals private account.
If we can help the force or councils reduce their budget deficits by serving financial penalties to people that can not stick to road laws, then why not.
Cameras are there purely to raise cash. So yes they are cash cows What's stupid about that ?

I don't agree, those caught either receive points on their license or have the opportunity to sit a speed awareness course, accumulate enough points through illegal driving and you will be banned.

Courts impose fines to help pay for the costs of monitoring / enforcing and punishing people who speed, what is your suggestion on how these costs would be covered if the punishment did not involve a financial penalty.

Speeding kills, fact, speeding is dangerous, fact.

I know a few people who drove over the speed limit on their driving test, guess what, they did not get issued a driving licence, deemed unsafe to be on the public highway unsupervised.
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logie31
livinthedream
Chiptivo
Cash cow... What stupid comments, it all helps balance the books, it is not as if the cash goes into some individuals private account.
If we can help the force or councils reduce their budget deficits by serving financial penalties to people that can not stick to road laws, then why not.
Cameras are there purely to raise cash. So yes they are cash cows What's stupid about that ?

I don't agree, those caught either receive points on their license or have the opportunity to sit a speed awareness course, accumulate enough points through illegal driving and you will be banned.

Courts impose fines to help pay for the costs of monitoring / enforcing and punishing people who speed, what is your suggestion on how these costs would be covered if the punishment did not involve a financial penalty.

Speeding kills, fact, speeding is dangerous, fact.

I know a few people who drove over the speed limit on their driving test, guess what, they did not get issued a driving licence, deemed unsafe to be on the public highway unsupervised.



Ahh speed awareness course Is that the overpriced course that most choose rather than points ?
Never had points on my license btw and daily mode of transport is a road bike
Hate bad drivers. Middle lane hoggers. Those that cut in last minute tail gaiters etc
Speed does kill
But my point is that cameras are a cash cow as technology is there to automatically control vehicle speeds yet will not be put into use due to the money raised of cameras
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anyone driving below 56 on the motorway, fine them and then explain why lorries are overtaking them constantly.
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logie31
livinthedream
Chiptivo
Cash cow... What stupid comments, it all helps balance the books, it is not as if the cash goes into some individuals private account.
If we can help the force or councils reduce their budget deficits by serving financial penalties to people that can not stick to road laws, then why not.
Cameras are there purely to raise cash. So yes they are cash cows What's stupid about that ?
I don't agree, those caught either receive points on their license or have the opportunity to sit a speed awareness course, accumulate enough points through illegal driving and you will be banned.
Courts impose fines to help pay for the costs of monitoring / enforcing and punishing people who speed, what is your suggestion on how these costs would be covered if the punishment did not involve a financial penalty.
Speeding kills, fact, speeding is dangerous, fact.
I know a few people who drove over the speed limit on their driving test, guess what, they did not get issued a driving licence, deemed unsafe to be on the public highway unsupervised.
Speeding doesn't kill. Speeding isn't always dangerous. Speeding is just an easy target.
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logie31
Chiptivo
I want middle lane camera.
Over a motor way, looking into the distance. Middle lane drivers who have no regard to the laws or understanding of the motorway get an instant £100 fine and three points.
It's the only way they will learn, as swerving in front of them from lane 3 to 1 doesn't make a blind bit of difference (I've witnessed).
My local police force are actively targeting middle lane hoggers, unfortunately they can't sustain the enforcement all year round due to other commitments and cut backs, surely technology exists that average speed cameras could also monitor and report middle lane dangerous drivers.

Technology can easily do it, but my evidence of this is just police warning people who just simply didn't realise what lanes on the motorway are about.

Follow them on a webcam thing, capture 30 seconds of video, do this multiple times a day.
Back to the station and process the £100 fixed penalties and 3 points for the dozens and dozens you will easily achieve in a few hours.

Only way these **** will learn, £100 fine and three points on their license, also a letter to inform their insurance companies who will adjust their insurance.
#24
Even if government won't use technology available due to losing taxes surely if they cared about loss of life they insist on all vehicles to have speed limiters fitted at 70mph wouldn't they ? Trucks are limited so why not cars ?
#25
livinthedream
Even if government won't use technology available due to losing taxes surely if they cared about loss of life they insist on all vehicles to have speed limiters fitted at 70mph wouldn't they ? Trucks are limited so why not cars ?
Because the car industry (which has a powerful Parliamentary lobby) would be worried that we would all be driving around in Hyundai i10s.
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RonChew
livinthedream
Even if government won't use technology available due to losing taxes surely if they cared about loss of life they insist on all vehicles to have speed limiters fitted at 70mph wouldn't they ? Trucks are limited so why not cars ?
Because the car industry (which has a powerful Parliamentary lobby) would be worried that we would all be driving around in Hyundai i10s.


What's wrong with that ? Thought everything nowadays was about human life and the environment. Or is that too left wing ?
#27
i think, just my opinion of course, the entire system needs an overhaul. fining someone after theyve been speeding kind of defeats the purpose. ok, so it might discourage them a little bit in the future, but surely we should be deploying efforts to stop people speeding in the first place? this is also one of the reasons i dont agree with the 'hidden' types of cameras that the north wales police use, hidden in horse boxes and such. they dont act as a deterrant as you dont see them until after youve got a ticket. i firmly believe these are only used to generate some extra income for the police force.

i'm with a few other people in this thread, average speed cameras should be used in preference to fixed cameras in some instances. motorways should be reviewed separately as with the increases in safety for modern vehicles, 70mph is just too slow and far below the capability of most modern vehicles. it used to be 70mph due to the required stopping distances, which are now approximately 1/3 of what they were ~25 years ago due to better technology.

i think variable speed limits might be the answer, but not just motorways. for example, an urban dual carriageway might typically be 40mph, but at 1am, why does it need to be 40 when the roads are empty? it could be 60 at this time? enforced by average speed cameras. this reduces the frustration of stupid speed limits and ensures the limit is suitable for the current conditions
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livinthedream
RonChew
livinthedream
Even if government won't use technology available due to losing taxes surely if they cared about loss of life they insist on all vehicles to have speed limiters fitted at 70mph wouldn't they ? Trucks are limited so why not cars ?
Because the car industry (which has a powerful Parliamentary lobby) would be worried that we would all be driving around in Hyundai i10s.
What's wrong with that ? Thought everything nowadays was about human life and the environment. Or is that too left wing ?
There's less profit in selling a Hyundai i10 than there is in selling a BMW 7 series is the most obvious reason.
banned#29
RonChew
There's less profit in selling a Hyundai i10 than there is in selling a BMW 7 series is the most obvious reason.

Is there?

How is that then? & how much public funding has BMW (group) had over the years?
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YouDontWantToKnow
RonChew
There's less profit in selling a Hyundai i10 than there is in selling a BMW 7 series is the most obvious reason.
Is there?
How is that then? & how much public funding has BMW (group) had over the years?
I'm just guessing but I suspect that a car manufacturer and a car dealer are going to make more profit selling a car for £85,000 than they are selling one for £8,500.

I've no idea what public funding BMW group has had over the years and, to be quite honest, it isn't a subject that remotely interests me so don't bother researching it on my account.

Edited By: RonChew on Feb 10, 2017 21:29
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I'd welcome average speed cameras in areas where there are problems with accidents caused by speeding drivers. I have to admit that poor driving is far more frustrating than the speed demons, for every person speeding along there are hundreds of idiots that can't drive.

We need people to be theory and eye tested every two years, take a mini driving test every 10 years. You shouldn't just be given a driving licence and then pushed out on to the road until you're 70. It's staggering the amount of drivers that have absolutely no clue how to drive, I swear I have to adjust my driving for idiots at least once on every single journey I make, that includes ones of a few miles to the shops.

If you are continually caught speeding to the point of getting 12 points you should have the engine size of car you can drive reduced drastically when you can drive again. That might stop the rich idiots and also those who claim they need a car for work etc so get points suspended. You can have a car, bring back those light blue three wheelers for them.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/AC_Invalid_Carriage_1976.JPG/1599px-AC_Invalid_Carriage_1976.JPG
Ref the Blue invalid carriages. On 31 March 2003, they were banned from use on roads in the United Kingdom because of safety concerns.
They were all called in and crushed, though a few survive in museums and private ownership.

Edited By: davelfc on Feb 10, 2017 21:41: jh
banned#32
RonChew
YouDontWantToKnow
RonChew
There's less profit in selling a Hyundai i10 than there is in selling a BMW 7 series is the most obvious reason.
Is there?
How is that then? & how much public funding has BMW (group) had over the years?
I'm just guessing but I suspect that a car manufacturer and a car dealer are going to make more profit selling a car for £85,000 than they are selling one for £8,500.
I've no idea what public funding BMW group has had over the years and, to be quite honest, it isn't a subject that remotely interests me so don't bother researching it on my account.

You are correct. But thats the VAT factor.

The amount of state help (both in GB & German terms) in massive.

Rover
Land Rover
& Jaguar
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davelfc
I'd welcome average speed cameras in areas where there are problems with accidents caused by speeding drivers. I have to admit that poor driving is far more frustrating than the speed demons, for every person speeding along there are hundreds of idiots that can't drive.

We need people to be theory and eye tested every two years, take a mini driving test every 10 years. You shouldn't just be given a driving licence and then pushed out on to the road until you're 70. It's staggering the amount of drivers that have absolutely no clue how to drive, I swear I have to adjust my driving for idiots at least once on every single journey I make, that includes ones of a few miles to the shops.

If you are continually caught speeding to the point of getting 12 points you should have the engine size of car you can drive reduced drastically when you can drive again. That might stop the rich idiots and also those who claim they need a car for work etc so get points suspended. You can have a car, bring back those light blue three wheelers for them.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/AC_Invalid_Carriage_1976.JPG/1599px-AC_Invalid_Carriage_1976.JPG
Ref the Blue invalid carriages. On 31 March 2003, they were banned from use on roads in the United Kingdom because of safety concerns.
They were all called in and crushed, though a few survive in museums and private ownership.


alternately, anyone racking up 12 points as to have a metal spike instead of an airbag in the centre of the steering wheel and seatbelt removed. just a thought.
#34
shadey12
davelfc
I'd welcome average speed cameras in areas where there are problems with accidents caused by speeding drivers. I have to admit that poor driving is far more frustrating than the speed demons, for every person speeding along there are hundreds of idiots that can't drive.
We need people to be theory and eye tested every two years, take a mini driving test every 10 years. You shouldn't just be given a driving licence and then pushed out on to the road until you're 70. It's staggering the amount of drivers that have absolutely no clue how to drive, I swear I have to adjust my driving for idiots at least once on every single journey I make, that includes ones of a few miles to the shops.
If you are continually caught speeding to the point of getting 12 points you should have the engine size of car you can drive reduced drastically when you can drive again. That might stop the rich idiots and also those who claim they need a car for work etc so get points suspended. You can have a car, bring back those light blue three wheelers for them.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/AC_Invalid_Carriage_1976.JPG/1599px-AC_Invalid_Carriage_1976.JPG
Ref the Blue invalid carriages. On 31 March 2003, they were banned from use on roads in the United Kingdom because of safety concerns.
They were all called in and crushed, though a few survive in museums and private ownership.
alternately, anyone racking up 12 points as to have a metal spike instead of an airbag in the centre of the steering wheel and seatbelt removed. just a thought.
Not a particularly good idea. Just because they will kill themselves when driving dangerously won't stop them from killing other people as well.

It would be better to make any driving ban permanent so that the bad drivers will never get back on the road. That would also go some way to solving the problem of overcrowded roads.
#35
livinthedream

Prime example is the new 30mph limit on princes parkway in Manchester

Tell me you're kidding me :|
#36
RonChew
...It would be better to make any driving ban permanent so that the bad drivers will never get back on the road. That would also go some way to solving the problem of overcrowded roads.

...and increase the number of uninsured ("banned") drivers on the road that, in turn, following claims from law-abiding citizens, will increase subsequent premiums.
#37
logie31
livinthedream
Chiptivo
Cash cow... What stupid comments, it all helps balance the books, it is not as if the cash goes into some individuals private account.
If we can help the force or councils reduce their budget deficits by serving financial penalties to people that can not stick to road laws, then why not.
Cameras are there purely to raise cash. So yes they are cash cows What's stupid about that ?

I don't agree, those caught either receive points on their license or have the opportunity to sit a speed awareness course, accumulate enough points through illegal driving and you will be banned.

Courts impose fines to help pay for the costs of monitoring / enforcing and punishing people who speed, what is your suggestion on how these costs would be covered if the punishment did not involve a financial penalty.

Speeding kills, fact, speeding is dangerous, fact.

I know a few people who drove over the speed limit on their driving test, guess what, they did not get issued a driving licence, deemed unsafe to be on the public highway unsupervised.



Speeding does not kill. I've been on many planes and I'm still alive to tell the tale.

Being serious now, I really don't like how the current system is set up. Having one speed limit assumes everyone's abilities are the same and everyone's car is equal.
Some people will have far faster reaction times than others, some cars have much better brakes and grippier tyres.
What I'd like to happen (in an ideal world) is cars need to be barriered away from pedestrians and drivers and their cars assessed for competence and ability in relation to speed, however I know this is an impossibility as your awareness changes according to several factors (tiredness, mood, comfort needs etc)
#38
Anyway. In 30 years time driverless cars will mean there won't need to be speed cameras anymore. Automation will control the speed. And because automation is safer than human control then speeds should be able to increase
banned#39
118luke
Anyway. In 30 years time driverless cars will mean there won't need to be speed cameras anymore.

And in 10 years time there will be a software crash in which everyone crashes.
#40
YouDontWantToKnow
118luke
Anyway. In 30 years time driverless cars will mean there won't need to be speed cameras anymore.

And in 10 years time there will be a software crash in which everyone crashes.


Pretty sure that won't be a concern if redundancy is built in. A lot of the UKs absolutely critical systems are automated (nuclear power is a good example) and are designed to be resilient against software crashes.

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