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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
Where is the universal condemnation that was seen when the Coalition invaded Iraq? This is no better than the Iraq war yet few people seem to care.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7548715.stm

The UN Security Council have just assembled to discuss the crisis
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8y, 4m agoPosted 8 years, 4 months ago
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#1
Robotochan
This is no better than the Iraq war yet few people seem to care.


And an hour passes with no response. Only proves your point, I guess.
#2
duckmagicuk2;2707974
And an hour passes with no response. Only proves your point, I guess.

mhm.

Every country will stay out of it just because it's russia.
#3
That's what I was thinking Ducky, and add to that the thread being Expired in under 8 minutes, People just want it out of sight out of mind!
#4
Robotochan;2707992
That's what I was thinking Ducky, and add to that the thread being Expired in under 8 minutes, People just want it out of sight out of mind!

But they'll all jump to tibet's beck and call.
#5
not sure what to make of this one, to be honest - on the one hand, it's an internal matter that Russia is interfering with, and on the other hand, the sooner the caualties stop, the better... it's a toughie.
#6
Guys, give it a chance. This is breaking news and it hasn't escalated to the levels you are talking about yet. It's a bit premature to start making comparisons or drawing consclusions about the international response...
#7
Russia is a massive country, though. I don't think anyone really has the power to tell Russia or China what they can or can't do.

Also, there's a bit of blame to apportion here. If Russia has lost peacekeepers through Georgian attacks then it's an obvious cause of this. It does sound like Georgia has gone on the offensive against a smaller neighbour and has gotten a little bit more than they bargained for.

One other important point is that a cease-fire was agreed to yesterday, but there was more fighting last night. Who broke the treaty?
#8
Liddle ol' me
Guys, give it a chance. This is breaking news and it hasn't escalated to the levels you are talking about yet. It's a bit premature to start making comparisons or drawing consclusions about the international response...


And we also need to ask what would the international response be? As messed up as it was in Iraq/Afghanistan?
#9
Liddle ol' me;2708028
Guys, give it a chance. This is breaking news and it hasn't escalated to the levels you are talking about yet. It's a bit premature to start making comparisons or drawing consclusions about the international response...

off topic/ everything burned and ready to go:whistling::thumbsup:.
#10
duckmagicuk2;2708048
Russia is a massive country, though. I don't think anyone really has the power to tell Russia or China what they can or can't do.

Also, there's a bit of blame to apportion here. If Russia has lost peacekeepers through Georgian attacks then it's an obvious cause of this. It does sound like Georgia has gone on the offensive against a smaller neighbour and has gotten a little bit more than they bargained for.

One other important point is that a cease-fire was agreed to yesterday, but there was more fighting last night. Who broke the treaty?

Exactly. Russia have enough nukes to wipe anyone out. I dont think we'd dare argue with them. They've shown us how darying they are by sending their tupolovs into our airspace.
#11
The Peacekeepers are there the same way we are in Iraq. Not legally accepted by anyone other than the country who crossed another nations border.

The cease fire was for 3 hours for civilians to vacate the area and for the separatists to turn themselves in wasn't it? Or was there another one?
#12
the fact of the matter is that the iraq war was instigated by the americans and supported by the british without even taking heed of the warnings from th UN. Georgia is fighting South Ossettia which wants to break away from Georgia just as Georgia broke away from the old USSR. How you even have the gall to compare a war between two sides to an illegal invasion of Iraq only typifies the sort of arrogance and idiocy spouted by the pro war mongers.
#13
t0mm
Exactly. Russia have enough nukes to wipe anyone out. I dont think we'd dare argue with them. They've shown us how darying they are by sending their tupolovs into our airspace.


i think youll find the illegal state of israel has enough nukes to wipe the world out three times over, hence every american presidential candidate has to appease 'aipac' the pro zionist lobby of america. Russia is dangerous, just as China and possibly India now are so the americans will continue to ceate division with their selective support of certain countries. i have no doubt the americans will be supporting Georgia in order to rile russia.
#14
I suppose we'll see what the Security Council have to say in the next day or two.
#15
I wasn't really aware of the first cold war, as to be honest I was learning how to read and write at the time (lol), but isn't this invasion just playing out the same old playbook?
Oppressed people (read separatist rebels) involved in internal conflict in pro west/east state -> call on "international help" -> West/East is "forced" to deploy troops to prevent "massacre" of people = occupation
#16
It's very similar MSG, Russia have been backing the Rebels like when China backed North Korea during the Korean War. The only difference now is the West has it's hands tied behind it's collective back as we are the "honest and just" part of the world whereas China and Russia can do whatever they darn well please.
banned#17
Karim786
i think youll find the illegal state of israel has enough nukes to wipe the world out three times over, hence every american presidential candidate has to appease 'aipac' the pro zionist lobby of america.


"Illegal state of Israel". "Pro Zionist"......... Hmmmm, you dont have an agenda do you!
#18
I would tend to compare this more with the GB/Ireland than Iraq but still not quite the same.

Will probably play out in a similar way though with the rest of the world letting them get on with it. Gordon Brown though is not flavour of the month by any means and is not backwards at coming forwards and may do a Tony here and lead us into something that really isn't our business.

Things seem to be at a new low between Russia and UK, especially since Litvinenko saga.
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#20
duckmagicuk2
Russia is a massive country, though. I don't think anyone really has the power to tell Russia or China what they can or can't do.

Also, there's a bit of blame to apportion here. If Russia has lost peacekeepers through Georgian attacks then it's an obvious cause of this. It does sound like Georgia has gone on the offensive against a smaller neighbour and has gotten a little bit more than they bargained for.

One other important point is that a cease-fire was agreed to yesterday, but there was more fighting last night. Who broke the treaty?


Well the neighbour is a disputed territory of Georgia, who is in itself looking for recognition of independence from the "good guys".
Considering most of the people living in the disputed region are russian, it would be silly to think that Georgia would be naive enough to think that there would be no repercussion from russia.
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guv
"Illegal state of Israel". "Pro Zionist"......... Hmmmm, you dont have an agenda do you!


if you have studied an ounce of history you would know why. Palestine has been under siege for the best part of a century and the situation in gaza is worse than the holocaust and sebrenica yet is getting no recognition for the tragedy it is yet territories like tibet are getting worldwide sympathy just so the sympathisers can condemn china for a relatively light human rights record compared to america or the unrecognised state under international law. Where were these peopoe when the troubles started before the media made it an issue ?. Tibet is not the only territory occupied by china as the xianxang profince full of the uyghur people has been denied freedom of expression and been oppressed for far longer.

there is one thing i hate more than pro war mongers and that is people who don't hold an ounce of political nor historic knowledge yet read the daily mail and think they are on a par with the likes of michael m hart.
#22
Karim786
if you have studied an ounce of history you would know why. Palestine has been under siege for the best part of a century and the situation in gaza is worse than the holocaust and sebrenica


So you say Palestine is worse than the mass murder of up to 11 Million people? :?
banned#23
Karim786
if you have studied an ounce of history you would know why. Palestine has been under siege for the best part of a century and the situation in gaza is worse than the holocaust and sebrenica yet is getting no recognition for the tragedy it is yet territories like tibet are getting worldwide sympathy just so the sympathisers can condemn china for a relatively light human rights record compared to america or the unrecognised state under international law. Where were these peopoe when the troubles started before the media made it an issue ?. Tibet is not the only territory occupied by china as the xianxang profince full of the uyghur people has been denied freedom of expression and been oppressed for far longer.


To the best of my knowledge, the people of Tibet haven't strapped explosives to themselves, gone to a densely populated area and then killed as many inncoent civillians as they could. Please enlighten if that "ounce of historical knowledge" is incomplete.

there is one thing i hate more than pro war mongers and that is people who don't hold an ounce of political nor historic knowledge yet read the daily mail and think they are on a par with the likes of michael m hart.


Oh the irony.
#24
guv
To the best of my knowledge, the people of Tibet haven't strapped explosives to themselves, gone to a densely populated area and then killed as many inncoent civillians as they could. Please enlighten if that "ounce of historical knowledge" is incomplete.


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maybe if the tibetans were bombarded on a daily basis, their families routinely massacred and the many children who shout in anger locked up in inhimane adult prisons against the internatinal law then they probably would.
1 Like #25
As an ex member of the armed forces I'll tel you the chances of us telling Russia what to do are very slim, we was lucky enough with the cold war
#26
RedIron
As an ex member of the armed forces I'll tel you the chances of us telling Russia what to do are very slim, we was lucky enough with the cold war


exactly, only the Afghans defeated them, 'The bit of a snake, revenge of the Afghan' although Britain and america have tried defying the logic and are learning the hard way.
#27
Karim786
exactly, only the Afghans defeated them, 'The bit of a snake, revenge of the Afghan' although Britain and america have tried defying the logic and are learning the hard way.


We supplied the Afghans to fight the Russians, and we can't tell Russia to do anything because they have nukes and are incredibly stubborn. It's nothing to do with military might.
banned#28
Karim786
maybe if the tibetans were bombarded on a daily basis, their families routinely massacred and the many children who shout in anger locked up in inhimane adult prisons against the internatinal law then they probably would.


Go read some facts about the people you believe are "innocent victims".
#29
guv
Go read some facts about the people you believe are "innocent victims".


ooh no, you have defeated me with the beacon of reputable information that is wikipedia used by many an oxbridge professor. but seeing as you are, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism
#30
Robotochan
We supplied the Afghans to fight the Russians, and we can't tell Russia to do anything because they have nukes and are incredibly stubborn. It's nothing to do with military might.


supposedly the americans are also arming the Islamic militants' in the oppressed xianzhang province, i wonder why.
banned#31
Karim786
ooh no, you have defeated me with the beacon of reputable information that is wikipedia used by many an oxbridge professor. but seeing as you are, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism


I aready knew that Jews have been supressed throughout history. Its a shame you didnt read your own link provided. It might enlighten you to the fact Israel is NOT an illegal state as you have claimed. As a people, no one has endured more atrocities.

As a nation, they are surrounded by countries that have been hell bent on its destruction. I don't support everything that the Israelis have done, but I can at least understand why. If Israel wanted to overrun Palestine, they could do so in a day. But they don't, despite this.

Israel would far prefer to live in peace on the land that is legally theirs. Many countries have learnt the hard way not to mess with them. They bite back when provoked. Good for them.
#32
guv
I aready knew that Jews have been supressed throughout history. Its a shame you didnt read your own link provided. It might enlighten you to the fact Israel is NOT an illegal state as you have claimed. As a people, no one has endured more atrocities.

As a nation, they are surrounded by countries that have been hell bent on its destruction. I don't support everything that the Israelis have done, but I can at least understand why. If Israel wanted to overrun Palestine, they could do so in a day. But they don't, despite this.

Israel would far prefer to live in peace on the land that is legally theirs. Many countries have learnt the hard way not to mess with them. They bite back when provoked. Good for them.


many people have been oppressed, it doesn'y juustify them to invade and displace an indigenous populous. the fact of the matter is that during the second world war many middle eastern countries harboured the Jews. And fyi the zionist political moement hasm nothing to do with mainstream judaism.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
#33
guv
I aready knew that Jews have been supressed throughout history. Its a shame you didnt read your own link provided. It might enlighten you to the fact Israel is NOT an illegal state as you have claimed. As a people, no one has endured more atrocities.

As a nation, they are surrounded by countries that have been hell bent on its destruction. I don't support everything that the Israelis have done, but I can at least understand why. If Israel wanted to overrun Palestine, they could do so in a day. But they don't, despite this.

Israel would far prefer to live in peace on the land that is legally theirs. Many countries have learnt the hard way not to mess with them. They bite back when provoked. Good for them.


they should be able to considering the weaponry they possess but remember when lebanon kicked their ass ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wdwk1dp-uU - this is probably the funniest bit of footage where the guest is commentating on events where the actual presenter can't even realise what is happening.
banned 1 Like #34
Karim786;2710437
the situation in gaza is worse than the holocaust

FAIL! :roll:
banned#35
Karim786
many people have been oppressed, it doesn'y juustify them to invade and displace an indigenous populous.


I beg to differ.
#36


ooh ye, mr gates has been known for his pro Palestinian stance hasn't he ?, mot. google is an amzing invention, it will cater for your every need. a bit like having a mirror that tells you how beatuiful(or ugly for that matter) you are.
banned#37
Karim786
ooh ye, mr gates has been known for his pro Palestinian stance hasn't he ?, mot. google is an amzing invention, it will cater for your every need. a bit like having a mirror that tells you how beatuiful(or ugly for that matter) you are.


Mr Gates is a clever man. He didnt however invent Historical events. It must grate deeply his success given your clear rascism.

Its interesting that you will find that a certain Saddam Hussein was very pro Palestinian. He used to reward the families of the deceased suicide bomber with a cash incentive. Of the two, who is the most rational? Look in your "beautiful/ugly mirror" for the answer.

By all means provide your own links that shows in an unbiased way:

(a) Israel is an illegal state.
(b) Events in Gazza is worse than the Holocaust
(c) The 6 day war didnt happen.
#38
Cant fairly argue rights and wrongs of many world conflicts due to my limited knowledge and know I am being deliberately flippant and facetious but think on.
Am I correct - I may be - that many/most warzones consist of large numbers of testosterone fulled males who want to exert their rights over another group of testostorone fulled males. Is it really any different to the animal kingdom at the basest level. Maybe the easiest cheapest solution is to doctor the water supply in these zones and remove the urge to fight. Are there any really nasty conflicts in zones of the world where the age demographic of the male population is older? That is a question that others may be able to answer.

I know this is much too simple. But how may wars are fought by old women.

And yes I do thing that there are probably things being played out behind the scenes by groups with interest in the fuel situation.
banned#39
WoolyM

Am I correct - I may be - that many/most warzones consist of large numbers of testosterone fulled males who want to exert their rights over another group of testostorone fulled males.


I'm sure Thatcher didn't see it that way when she sent the troops to the Falklands.
#40
guv
I'm sure Thatcher didn't see it that way when she sent the troops to the Falklands.


Good Point Guv - I had forgotten all about Thatcher. I was being flippant as I said.

But think if only old men or old ladies were allowed anywhere near a warzone. They may be a bit more likely to sit down and attempt to resolve differences without conflict. Not talking necessarily about those who are able to direct things from afar but those who are in the thick of it. I know some olduns have just as much vemon and hatred but could make a difference. Hypothetical and ridiculous I know.

This is not meant as an in depth political point. As I said I am not qualified to argue those subjects.

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