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Getting my car chipped

brettytopbanana Avatar
6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
Ive got a 57 plate ford focus TDCI Zetec and I am contemplating whether to get it chipped.
There is the obvious reason of increased power but then I have also read that there is also the increased fuel economy. I am a little dubious of the increase in fuel economy but I was woindering if anyone on here has had it done and would you recommend it?

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6y, 8m agoPosted 6 years, 8 months ago
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#1
Chipping is fine and gives you a good return in BHP for the money but at a cost, most can be programmed for economy or power. You must remember to notify your insurance company or it could invalidate it
#2
You'll invalidate your warranty (if you have one) and run risks of ruining your engine.

Slowing down, checking your tyre pressures and moderate acceleration will save you more fuel than any chip anyway.
#3
Can also put added wear on your clutch, causing early wear, slipping
#4
davelfc
Why not spend a little more money on a decent spec than buy a chip for a base model? Buy some fluffy dice instead.

You'll invalidate your warranty (if you have one) and run risks of ruining your engine. Of course there are decent chips out there but hey, you cannot make a silk purse........

Slowing down, checking your tyre pressures and moderate acceleration will save you more fuel than any chip anyway.


For a start the car is a decent spec, I was just trying to see if I could get any more out of it. I do a lot of motorway driving and I am currently averaging 75+mpg which is incredible. I guess I was just being a little greedy!!
#5
any fuel saving cost will be outweighed by the cost of the thing and the increased insurance premuim..stay clear
#6
brettytopbanana
For a start the car is a decent spec, I was just trying to see if I could get any more out of it. I do a lot of motorway driving and I am currently averaging 75+mpg which is incredible. I guess I was just being a little greedy!!


I edited my post as I'd initially read it wrong.

But that's a decent MPG and you'll not gain anything by putting a chip in a focus zetec.
#7
like most things there are good and bad tuners,first thing too do is avoid those who make stupid claims about bhp figures and big economy claims at the same time:whistling:

had my seat ibiza130bhp tdi sport chipped to 170bhp (dyno tested) and the fuel consumption is about the same if not a little worse but the car is much more driveable now with a longer rev range and the turbo kicks in sooner and for longer which is great for safer overtaking:-D

if your doing it for economy dont bother as any slight increase you might achieve which is doubtful will be more than covered by increased insurance .

75mpg is awsome i get about 60mpg motorway and less than 50mpg around town.
#8
75+mpg is fantastic !!!!!!!!!!!!
WHich model Focus is that - that has to b a record.
I have had Focus (es?) (FOCI) TDCIs and never gone over 55 even with the most moderate diving conceivable.

As regards tuning chips - think about it - Ford can employ the best Software people going and test 1000's of conceivable differing engine parameters. They have gone for the optimum in performance, economy and long term engine reliability.

Any software engineer can come along and make poorly tested changes to boost BHP for example but there is always a price to pay. Upping the BHP means shorter engine life.

You cannot get something for nothing.

SOunds to me like you have an exceptional engine in your car anyway.

I want one.
banned#9
I get upto 63/64*mpg on a motorway drive in my 03 focus (1.8 tdci), so I would be very happy with 75 - and wouldn't dream of risking chipping OP.

the focus tdci's are awesome pretty much awesome from the early ones to present day I believe.


[SIZE="1"](*-I'm aware the economy ratings suggest only 61ish max, but I'm only going on trip computer and Roadtrip data (iphone app)[/SIZE]
banned#10
vibeone
I get upto 63/64*mpg on a motorway drive in my 03 focus (1.8 tdci), so I would be very happy with 75 - and wouldn't dream of risking chipping OP.

the focus tdci's are awesome pretty much awesome from the early ones to present day I believe.


[SIZE="1"](*-I'm aware the economy ratings suggest only 61ish max, but I'm only going on trip computer and Roadtrip data (iphone app)[/SIZE]


I've no idea what mine does to the gallon, though I'd not ruin the warranty and knacker the insurance to get a couple more miles and reduce the engine life.

Mine is supposed to give 69mpg on motorway driving.... the trip meter shows about 38mpg. That said, on the couple of motorway drives I've done, it went up to 60mpg. No idea how accurate these gauges are.... probably not at all!
#11
vibeone


[SIZE="1"](*-I'm aware the economy ratings suggest only 61ish max, but I'm only going on trip computer and Roadtrip data (iphone app)[/SIZE]


It's ok. We are all aware that the manufacturers are really conservative with their mpg figures. After all, they wouldn't want us to be disillusioned with actual mpg returns of up 10-20% less than their quoted figures.
Would they?
#12
My past 3 cars have all been chipped (remapped).

And have to say I will be getting the next one done also!

Much more driveable (usable power all over the rev range) and better fuel econ whilst taking it easy (as engine has more torque so less throttle is needed)

It is clear from half of the posts above that most of you have not experienced this yourselves so are in no position to assume
#13
mds1256
My past 3 cars have all been chipped (remapped).

And have to say I will be getting the next one done also!

Much more driveable (usable power all over the rev range) and better fuel econ whilst taking it easy (as engine has more torque so less throttle is needed)

It is clear from half of the posts above that most of you have not experienced this yourselves so are in no position to assume


In reality the extra mpg is completely irrelevant. I don't know anyone who has ever had it done 'in order to save fuel'. People have their cars remapped for one reason - the buzz that the extra torque and bhp provide. Full stop.
Any savings in fuel, real or imaginary, are wiped out by the tendency to 'enjoy' all that lovely extra power (as anyone who has ever experienced driving a remapped Fabia vRS at, say, 35-40mph, then flooring it in 3rd or 4th gear will testify :))
#14
whatsThePoint
5th Gear tested 3 cars against the claimed MPG and got the same results withing 1 or 2 mpg
http://fwd.five.tv/fifth-gear/videos/consumer-info/real-world-economy


3 cars? Wow! In-depth testing then? So you are seriously claiming that manufacturers figures are largely accurate?

(had to laugh at the 2 pillocks in the Skoda saying they would have the Volvo over the Skoda purely on the badge, even though they hadn't even been in the Volvo. And they didn't even seem embarrassed saying it.)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-399074/The-great-mileage-rip-off.html
#15
deek72
3 cars? Wow! In-depth testing then? So you are seriously claiming that manufacturers figures are largely accurate?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-399074/The-great-mileage-rip-off.html


Usually the mpg stated is possible, you just have to drive the car in the way discussed in the car manual. Fact is, most people don't do that.
#16
pghstochaj
Usually the mpg stated is possible, you just have to drive the car in the way discussed in the car manual. Fact is, most people don't do that.

Possibly, but my main point was that any perceived fuel economy savings with a remapped angine are lost to the the pleasure of using the extra available power. :thumbsup:
#17
deek72
Possibly, but my main point was that any perceived fuel economy savings with a remapped angine are lost to the the pleasure of using the extra available power. :thumbsup:


I would be a lot more worried about clutch life which is what seems to be the biggest problem for remapping, sadly.
#18
pghstochaj
I would be a lot more worried about clutch life which is what seems to be the biggest problem for remapping, sadly.


Yup. Although it's supposed to be ok if you don't try to utilise the power too far down the rev range. Had no problems with my vRS after remapping but to be honest I didn't really keep it long enough to find out.
#19
whatsThePoint
Chipping the car will have no effect on the clutch unless its on its way out to start with


That's correct if you drive the remapped car exactly the same as before - but you don't do you?
Post remap clutch problems a-plenty are documented if, like I said, you start taking the power too far down the rev range.
#20
whatsThePoint
Chipping the car will have no effect on the clutch unless its on its way out to start with


Do you understand basic mechanics?
#21
whatsThePoint
Chipping the car will have no effect on the clutch unless its on its way out to start with


Thats just wrong...

had a 2.2 diesel honda civic which was remapped and the clutch just could not take the extra torque..

if you drive it as you did before the re-map no probs, but your not gonna are you otherwise why bother
#22
whatsThePoint
Like i said if it's weak to start with :whistling:


Where in my post did I agree that the clutch had to be weak to start with? :?
#23
pghstochaj
Usually the mpg stated is possible, you just have to drive the car in the way discussed in the car manual. Fact is, most people don't do that.


Well according to Citeon my company van (Nemo 1.4 diesel) should do 84.09mpg. I get a massive 50mpg out of it, don't drive fast and majority of mileage is motorway. All our compnay vans are Nemos and they all mpg around the same. and no it's not loaded with gear in the back.

So they do lie
#24
pinkleponkle
Well according to Citeon my company van (Nemo 1.4 diesel) should do 84.09mpg. I get a massive 50mpg out of it, don't drive fast and majority of mileage is motorway. All our compnay vans are Nemos and they all mpg around the same. and no it's not loaded with gear in the back.

So they do lie


Citroen do not say that this van will do 84.09 mpg, where in the world did you get that from? It certainly isn't their advertising. The official figures are:
Urban cycle: 49.6
Extra urban: 74.3
Combined: 62.8

As per their documents:

http://www.citroen.co.uk/assets/pdf/new-cars/nemo-multispace/technicalspecs.pdf

What makes me laugh is that your 84.09 mpg is the figure that was attained during a Fleet World magazine test:

http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/blog/index.php/2008/10/13/8409mpg-citroen-nemo-the-uks-most-economical-van/

In other words, when driven properly, the van is capable of far exceeding the official figures!

They did not lie, you are just wrong.
#25
whatsThePoint
So your saying if you chip it to drive like a idiot don't bother
If your the sort who spins the tyres away from the lights your going to have clutch problems sooner or later with any car, chipped or not


Are you still trying to say that a remap will not reduce clutch life?
#26
pghstochaj

They did not lie, you are just wrong.


Well I must be then as you have just said so, what a bell you are. Who drives it, you or me?

I dont pay for the petrol so it doesnt matter what mpg it does, but if I did I would be peed off at the false advertising.
#27
pinkleponkle
Well I must be then as you have just said so, what a bell you are. Who drives it, you or me?

I dont pay for the petrol so it doesnt matter what mpg it does, but if I did I would be peed off at the false advertising.


Did you read my post?
#28
whatsThePoint
If you drive the car as a grown-up it will not reduce clutch life
If you drive it like a boy racer something will have to give chipped or not and that will be the weakest link which is usually the clutch
i take it your a boy racer as you couldn't understand my first explanation


If you drive it exactly as it was pre-remap, then it will be no different. Why remap it if you intend to do that? If you ever use the additional bhp, the clutch will wear more.

Yes, a boy racer :w00t:
#29
whatsThePoint
As the clutch is locked up when the car is driven correctly how does it wear more?


I see I am up for a battle here with somebody that doesn't understand basic mechanics.

The clutch is never "locked up", if you accelerate in 6th from low RPM, an engine with too much power will cause clutch slip and hence wear. This is normal, but it is small and people do not notice it. With an increased power output, the clutch will slip more. The original power of the engine is selected to allow for the loading and the clutch should last a reasonable period. A remapped engine will not last as long.

The main problem is pulling away and going through the gears, if you are accelerating quickly, or not, you will put additional loading on the clutch with a higher powered engine.

This is, funnily enough, why a 1.4 diesel has a smaller clutch than a 2.0 diesel, which is smaller than a 2.2 diesel clutch. It is all about matching the engine power with the driven wheels
#30
I have a 1.3 ecoflex corsa diesel, and im getting 54mpg from this. Its done 18k miles so far. My typical journey is a 140mile roundtrip to work in Dumfries, and im usually doing around 70mph on the motorway. Should i be getting anymore mpg when im doing constant motorway driving?
banned#31
hippyharry
I have a 1.3 ecoflex corsa diesel, and im getting 54mpg from this. Its done 18k miles so far. My typical journey is a 140mile roundtrip to work in Dumfries, and im usually doing around 70mph on the motorway. Should i be getting anymore mpg when im doing constant motorway driving?


A small engine on a motorway will be revving hard constantly, and therefore great econ is not always apparent.

In these conditions, a larger engine would almost certainly give better economy, perhaps the opposite to what you'd normally expect, based on bigger engine = more fuel philosophy

#32
vibeone
A small engine on a motorway will be revving hard constantly, and therefore great econ is not always apparent.

In these conditions, a larger engine would almost certainly give better economy, perhaps the opposite to what you'd normally expect, based on bigger engine = more fuel philosophy



Ahh. So, next time im getting a car and if im doing the bigger journeys, go for a 1.6 upwards size engine. :)

Dont get me wrong, I had a 1.2 Petrol corsa doing that journey, and i was lucky to be getting 37mpg, so the 54mpg I get now is a big difference and allowed me to make some savings (car tax is also only £30 this year compared to the petrols £125)
#33
i got mine chipped, it goes bare fast now init
banned#34
numptyj
i got mine chipped, it goes bare fast now init


You don't have a car and "chip" has nothing to do with fish!
banned#35
hippyharry
Ahh. So, next time im getting a car and if im doing the bigger journeys, go for a 1.6 upwards size engine. :)

Dont get me wrong, I had a 1.2 Petrol corsa doing that journey, and i was lucky to be getting 37mpg, so the 54mpg I get now is a big difference and allowed me to make some savings (car tax is also only £30 this year compared to the petrols £125)


I went from a Y reg 1.8 petrol focus to a 1.8 tdci ghia (the 115bhp version). Tax is £30 less, Diesel prices are exactly the same as petrol atm, and instead of 35-36mpg I get 55-60 average. Top speed is within 2mph, 0-60 is .2 difference, but between 0-40 the diesel feels far far quicker than the petrol.

So I generally get better performance for less money. Gotta say i love diesels
.
#36
vibeone
I went from a Y reg 1.8 petrol focus to a 1.8 tdci ghia (the 115bhp version). Tax is £30 less, Diesel prices are exactly the same as petrol atm, and instead of 35-36mpg I get 55-60 average. Top speed is within 2mph, 0-60 is .2 difference, but between 0-40 the diesel feels far far quicker than the petrol.

So I generally get better performance for less money. Gotta say i love diesels
.


only thing is they can sound like tractors lol
banned#37
numptyj
only thing is they can sound like tractors lol


most diesels do, but around town im already in the future so i don't hear it ;) Eat my smoke mister.
banned#38
vibeone
I went from a Y reg 1.8 petrol focus to a 1.8 tdci ghia (the 115bhp version). Tax is £30 less, Diesel prices are exactly the same as petrol atm, and instead of 35-36mpg I get 55-60 average. Top speed is within 2mph, 0-60 is .2 difference, but between 0-40 the diesel feels far far quicker than the petrol.

So I generally get better performance for less money. Gotta say i love diesels
.


When I picked up the missus petrol car, I honestly thought there was something wrong acceleration wise. My diesel just felt so much more powerful, yet 0-60 meant to be the same. I love the £30 tax on mine too! :-D
#39
I got my bora re mapped and it's great
I'd say go for it

my uncle put in an uprated clutch for me and I've had no problems in 2 years.
#40
Forget chips - use chip oil. I was running my previous Merc W123 on new vegetable oil which was available then at circa 45p litre. the car ran perfectly (bit smelly but not as bad as those cars ran on recycled oil). Unfortunately Vegetable oil prices rose drastically and the savings dwindled.
I flogged it and now run a Mercedes CDI which returns over 40mpg combined and 55 on a run (cruise control on 80). Not bad for a large Automatic E Class.

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