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Gordon Brown will NOT attend opening ceremony! (Proud of London protests * FREE TIBET *)

Liddle ol' me Avatar
8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
Watching with interest the ongiong protests in London against China's aggressive control of Tibet against the wishes of the Tibetan people. Unfortunately I can't be there but want to register my support of all those good people spending their time today to make peaceful protests. If you have been to Tibet, you will understand just how subjugated the people of that country are.
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8y, 8m agoPosted 8 years, 8 months ago
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#1
Why expired and spammed? Is free speech not allowed here?
#2
Why is this expired?
#3
badgerrules
Why is this expired?


My guess is that someone who doesn't like the idea did it. I wish they would engage in conversation instead. Quite a cowardly action, imo.
#4
I knew china was having a media blockout but expiring this post is a little extreme:)
#5
Liddle ol' me
My guess is that someone who doesn't like the idea did it. I wish they would engage in conversation instead. Quite a cowardly action, imo.


I believe it takes more than one person to expire or spam a post.
#6
badgerrules
I knew china was having a media blockout but expiring this post is a little extreme:)


Yes, quite. I don't think I'm breking any rules poting this kind of thing in Misc. I'm certainly not trying to provoke or annoy anyone, so I would appreciate knowing who expired and spammed this and why? Perhaps a mod can tell me by pm (if so, I won't mention who it was publicly). Thanks! ;-)
#7
Maybe they saw the title and thought this should be on the Freebies forum? :thinking::whistling:
#8
stora
I believe it takes more than one person to expire or spam a post.


Oh right, well it happened nearly immediately - so there are obviously strong feelings about this!
#9
nightswimmer
Maybe they saw the title and thought this should be on the Freebies forum? :thinking::whistling:


hehe - always the diplomat ns :)
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stora
I believe it takes more than one person to expire or spam a post.


One person can expire a thread if they've got enough 'points' (for want of a better word). Not sure about spamming.
#11
Come on then, liddle fishy. What's your opinion on this one?
#12
Liddle ol' me
Come on then, liddle fishy. What's your opinion on this one?


I agree. I don't like it when your post just get suddenly expired or moved. But this may have something behind it. You might get a PM saying why it got expired..
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I remember my favourite teacher of all time. His name was Garth Crandon and he taught undergrad Politics. One of the many true things he said that I remember well was his definition of 'politics' in the first class. He put it very simply: "Politics is when two or more people have a different opinion on something or other." I remember finding that simple remark remarkably impressive, and I've just been reminded of it again when I heard someone on the BBC saying that the Olympics and politics shouldn't mix. As Garth might have said: It [I]is politics my friend, it is. It may be about other things as well, but it most certainly is politcs.[/I]
#14
badmanmeow
I agree. I don't like it when your post just get suddenly expired or moved. But this may have something behind it. You might get a PM saying why it got expired..


I'm not upset at all about it being expired actually, but I am interested that it has been. And yes, I hope I do get that pm :thumbsup: hasn't arrived yet though...:whistling:
#15
Liddle ol' me
I remember my favourite teacher of all time. His name was Garth Crandon and he taught undergrad Politics. One of the many true things he said that I remember well was his definition of 'politics' in the first class. He put it very simply: "Politics is when two or more people have a different opinion on something or other." I remember finding that simple remark remarkably impressive, and I've just been reminded of it again when I heard someone on the BBC saying that the Olympics and politics shouldn't mix. As Garth might have said: It [I]is politics my friend, it is. It may be about other things as well, but it most certainly is politcs.[/I]


Those words are truly something....:thumbsup:
#16
Liddle ol' me
Come on then, liddle fishy. What's your opinion on this one?


I'm all for peaceful protesting. And violent protesting in some cases.

As for boycotting the Olympics, etc. then I have mixed views. On one hand it would be great to make a statement, but then there are many, many attrocities going on in the world at the mo, so where do you draw the line? Maybe it is good to have something where all countries come together no matter what dificulties may be going on beyond the boundaries of that event?

To me the best protests at the Olympics were by those athelets who did comptete. Jessie Owens (whilst strictly not a protest) showing by example the fallacy of Hitler's views on the superiority of the Aryan race. The Mexico games when then Black American atheletes gave the power salute in protest to human rights abuses in the US. Cathy Freeman carrying the Aboriginal flag in the Sydney games, etc. To me those stick in my memory far more than the atheletes/countries who actually boycotted the event.
#17
The Olympics and politics seem to go hand in hand.

The 1980 Summer Olympics boycott of the Moscow Olympics was a part of a package of actions to protest against the December 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_boycott_of_the_1980_Summer_Olympics
#18
nightswimmer
I'm all for peaceful protesting. And violent protesting in some cases.

As for boycotting the Olympics, etc. then I have mixed views. On one hand it would be great to make a statement, but then there are many, many attrocities going on in the world at the mo, so where do you draw the line? Maybe it is good to have something where all countries come together no matter what dificulties may be going on beyond the boundaries of that event?.


Yes, but isn't it also interesting that something like the Olympics can actually politicise people and make them serious about issues that might just otherwise shrug their shoulders about. The most intteresting thing about this whole event is that the Olympics are always used by host nations for political purposes (even if just to showcase themselves), yet they then attempt to portray others who use the event to protest their grievances as 'politicising' a purely sporting event.

nightswimmer
To me the best protests at the Olympics were by those athelets who did comptete. Jessie Owens (whilst strictly not a protest) showing by example the fallacy of Hitler's views on the superiority of the Aryan race. The Mexico games when then Black American atheletes gave the power salute in protest to human rights abuses in the US. Cathy Freeman carrying the Aboriginal flag in the Sydney games, etc. To me those stick in my memory far more than the atheletes/countries who actually boycotted the event.


Yes, too true. All memorable moments that I look back on with hope and pride. I hope similar actions will be taken by some during the Beijing Olympics. I also agree that all the athletes should be allowed to go if it is their choice. They deserve to compete. But the best ones will also find some way of competing and showing their disdain of ongoing and sustained human rights abuses by the Chinese government.
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Liddle ol' me
Yes, but isn't it also interesting that something like the Olympics can actually politicise people and make them serious about issues that might just otherwise shrug their shoulders about. The most intteresting thing about this whole event is that the Olympics are always used by host nations for political purposes (even if just to showcase themselves), yet they then attempt to portray others who use the event to protest their grievances as 'politicising' a purely sporting event.


Yep, all true. But then again, iIt could be said that those countries boycotting such events are using it for their own political agendas as well. What's the point for example of the UK boycotting Olympic related events whilst still keeping trade relations exactly the same and looking to epand in that market? Which of the two do you think would have more impact on China's policies?

If your answer is stopping trade would have more impact, then the question has to be asked, why would some politicians call for the Olympic boycotts but not for the actions that would actually stand a chance of making a difference?

But the best ones will also find some way of competing and showing their disdain of ongoing and sustained human rights abuses by the Chinese government.


Here's the thing though. Your an athelete and you compete against someone from North Korea, from Iran, from Israel, from Libya and from Algeria. Who do you protest against? Just China because they are the hosts? Or should you protest against all those nations as they all have human rights records as bad if not worse than China's?

p.s. I meant to say, if you want to get the thread unexpired, click the warning symbol and explain to the Mods what happened and they will unexpire it. :)
#20
stora
I believe it takes more than one person to expire or spam a post.


No. It was one member.
#21
nightswimmer
...could be said that those countries boycotting such events are using it for their own political agendas as well. What's the point for example of the UK boycotting Olympic related events whilst still keeping trade relations exactly the same and looking to epand in that market? Which of the two do you think would have more impact on China's policies?


Yes, of course they are. In the main, governments work in their own self-interest. Look at how Blair was bought by the Saudis. (Incidentally, more worrying in my eyes is the way that Brown has suddenly stopped being a 'conviction' politician, at least on a lot of major issues. Blair I never trusted). Like I said though, I'm not calling for a British ban. What I'd like to see are lots of individual protests; a situation where people can act on conscience. Unfortunately there are few peole willing to to stand alone on issues, which is why I've always admired people like Tony Benn, who will.

nightswimmer
Here's the thing though. Your an athelete and you compete against someone from North Korea, from Iran, from Israel, from Libya and from Algeria. Who do you protest against? Just China because they are the hosts? Or should you protest against all those nations as they all have human rights records as bad if not worse than China's?

p.s. I meant to say, if you want to get the thread unexpired, click the warning symbol and explain to the Mods what happened and they will unexpire it. :)


Yes, good question about who to protest against. I guess my answer is that you have to pick and choose you protests. It's difficult for people outside of the system to make their voices heard. Only by coordinated targeted protests have a chance of any kind of success. So China today, one of the others tomorrow... (Thanks also about the mods advice :thumbsup:)
#22
duckmagicuk2
No. It was one member.


Thanks for that ducky, and (presumably) for unexpiring it again :-D :thumbsup:
#23
Proud of London protests * FREE TIBET *

I'll take it.
#24
Alfonse
Proud of London protests * FREE TIBET *

I'll take it.


Would you like to pay by BT or Paypal? :p Glad to hear it Alfonse :thumbsup:
#25
Liddle ol' me
Yes, good question about who to protest against. I guess my answer is that you have to pick and choose you protests. It's difficult for people outside of the system to make their voices heard. Only by coordinated targeted protests have a chance of any kind of success. So China today, one of the others tomorrow...


Sounds like a plan. :) It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Wonder if anyone will boycott 2012?
#26
Sugababes have pulled out of the headline event tonight, claiming one of them has laryngitis. I wonder if it's just an ruse to 'do the right thing'...? http://sugababes.forums.umusic.co.uk/t/1104.aspx
#27
Liddle ol' me
Would you like to pay by BT or Paypal? :p Glad to hear it Alfonse :thumbsup:


Its a Mastercard moment me thinks. :-D
#28
Expired again? Mediiiiiiic!
#29
nightswimmer
Expired again? Mediiiiiiic!


I contacted the mods - lol, I wonder if it was the same person again. If so, hope they gt a warning! And whoever it is, could you be a big brave girl and admit it? :-D
#30
Most certainly wasn't me.
Interesting discussion here, but I have marking that I should have already done!!
Don't forget the petitions:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/161595/olympics-petition-the-government-di/
#31
At the least the torch carrying has brought the tibet issue even more into the spotlight. hopefully something will get done about it. im just glad i live here and not china where you can't express yourself
#32
Unfortunately, not such peaceful protests. :-(
#33
duckmagicuk2
Unfortunately, not such peaceful protests. :-(


Well, I wouldn't call them violent. Nobody was trying to hurt anybody, just disrupt the progress of the flame. A few great rugby tackles from our friendly neighbourhood coppers was about the worst of it. Did you see something I didn't?
#34
Liddle ol' me
Well, I wouldn't call them violent. Nobody was trying to hurt anybody, just disrupt the progress of the flame. A few great rugby tackles from our friendly neighbourhood coppers was about the worst of it. Did you see something I didn't?


Well, trying to pull a flaming torch from someone's hand could have been slightly dangerous...
#35
duckmagicuk2
Well, trying to pull a flaming torch from someone's hand could have been slightly dangerous...


Now you know you are just graspin, ducky! :p
#37
i dont personally agree with it based on the fact that i dont know the whole story of what happens in tibet and China. i have learnt not to trust the british media and MOST IMPORTANTLY.... no one shud be touchin Connie from Blue peter apart from me.;)
#38
Mclovin
no one shud be touchin Connie from Blue peter apart from me.;)


My point exactly, although I know how to spell her name. :-D

Seriously though, a peaceful protest should be peaceful. People should be able to protest, but it's a shame that the torch required such a police presence that those who wanted to see it couldn't enjoy the day. It is, after all, about sport and the acheivements and amazing ability of lots of people. I'm not a huge sporting fan, but even I know how much work these people must put in and it's a shame that other issues are distracting everyone from the stage these athletes deserve.
#39
duckmagicuk2
My point exactly, although I know how to spell her name. :-D

Seriously though, a peaceful protest should be peaceful. People should be able to protest, but it's a shame that the torch required such a police presence that those who wanted to see it couldn't enjoy the day. It is, after all, about sport and the acheivements and amazing ability of lots of people. I'm not a huge sporting fan, but even I know how much work these people must put in and it's a shame that other issues are distracting everyone from the stage these athletes deserve.


Ah, but you see, as much as I respect athletes, I also respect human life and freedom. This was and remains an opportunity for people to focus the attention of the world's media on serious Chinese abuses in Tibet. You'll also find that the person whose name you can spell said as much in BBC interviews later. Yes, protests should be peaceful but they also need to be effective. The protesters made the absolute most of those two demands today, and I applaud them. Many of the athletes also said as much too. Ye, let the athletes have their glory, but let the people of Tibet also have thieir freedom from oppression and torture. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
#40
nightswimmer
Yep, all true. But then again, iIt could be said that those countries boycotting such events are using it for their own political agendas as well. What's the point for example of the UK boycotting Olympic related events whilst still keeping trade relations exactly the same and looking to epand in that market? Which of the two do you think would have more impact on China's policies?

If your answer is stopping trade would have more impact, then the question has to be asked, why would some politicians call for the Olympic boycotts but not for the actions that would actually stand a chance of making a difference?

Here's the thing though. Your an athelete and you compete against someone from North Korea, from Iran, from Israel, from Libya and from Algeria. Who do you protest against? Just China because they are the hosts? Or should you protest against all those nations as they all have human rights records as bad if not worse than China's?

p.s. I meant to say, if you want to get the thread unexpired, click the warning symbol and explain to the Mods what happened and they will unexpire it. :)


agree with nightswimmer.

using the olympics to protest and bringing the games into politics; there are political avenues that actually could make a difference. how is choosing to barge into another country that happens to have oil reserves, better than blatantly turning a blind eye to the human atrocities in the african continent.

telling another country how their human rights track record is poor compared to the western world's, is nothing short of hypocrisy and assumes that everyone else lives by our western standards plus we haven't got the greatest track record either across history ... i'm guessing if we were judged by the chinese moral standards we wouldn't do very well either.

the same way we don't like another culture or country telling us how to live our lives and we call them terrorists. how is that different from us telling China how to live theirs?

re: protesting china's treatment of the tibetans. whilst admirable it is not entirely flawless. tibetan lamas used to dismember people to be served up at ceremonies, and ordinary subjects were slaves. we do not know or understand completely why china is so vehement to keep tibet as historically belonging to her. it is the same with taiwan; we know from history the central government has tirelessly pursued chang kai shek up to taiwan. if one understands the chinese govt that to stand up against the 'patriach' is the same as 'dishonour' then maybe there is a ring of truth in "Chinese insecurity is driven, and understandably so, by the involvement of Western powers on its periphery."

i think of these olympic athletes who have prepared 4 long years (or more) to compete for the ultimate games of their lives and then their country decides to protest and pull out. if anything, the olympics happens to be the biggest event where country participation is the most i believe. as much as the politicians go into the limelight about the plight of the tibetans should consider investing their money and time also into the athlete programmes so we can actually promote healthy competition in peaceful surroundings instead of all talk and no real solution towards understanding and collaboration.

trade embargoes as we already know just make the poor people of the country suffer for many years, eg. Mugabe's regime. i doubt having trade embargos with china (one of the biggest economies in the world) is not going to make a big difference, they have an economy that possibly might not need the rest of the world to agree with. besides having billions of people inside the country to sustain their own economy, the people appear to be an expendible resource to the government. growing up with tough competition between each other and equipped with survival instincts under extreme poverty, there is a lot that the chinese can tolerate and will work hard for. or to take up arms should there be a need. now that is one scary scenario ...

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