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read it here Now lets see if inget this right, people turn up at A&E because they can't get a appointment at their GP or its days\weeks away, thus GPs are clearly oversubscribed. So if the alrea…
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1m, 2w agoPosted 1 month, 2 weeks ago
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Now lets see if inget this right, people turn up at A&E because they can't get a appointment at their GP or its days\weeks away, thus GPs are clearly oversubscribed.

So if the already oversubscribed GPs were open more hours that means they'd need more staff, so as the Dole queues up and down the country are not full of GPs who cant find a job, that means in order to provide a 7 day maybe 24\7 service Surgeries would have to cut cover during the day\week to provide cover at night\weekends or some smaller surgeries would have to close and the staff moved to others to provide this service,. Thus there would be no change in the waiting times at all and no change to the numbers just going to A&E instead as we have a shortage of GPs in this country.
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What we need to do is stop people going to GP's and A&E that don't need to be there.
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GAVINLEWISHUKD
What we need to do is stop people going to GP's and A&E that don't need to be there.
Simple answer those who arrive at A & E non emergency should be advised upon arrival correct route for treatment eg gp or walk in centre and informed non emergency cases treated in A & E incur a charge! Once people realised there was a charge/fine for incorrect use of A & E might get rid of those clogging up the system for those in genuine need.
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kiteangel
GAVINLEWISHUKD
What we need to do is stop people going to GP's and A&E that don't need to be there.
Simple answer those who arrive at A & E non emergency should be advised upon arrival correct route for treatment eg gp or walk in centre and informed non emergency cases treated in A & E incur a charge! Once people realised there was a charge/fine for incorrect use of A & E might get rid of those clogging up the system for those in genuine need.

Sadly it's common sense and in general the population is lacking. Speak to anybody in emergency services (police,fire, ambulance) they get called about every little thing now. It's a culture thing of 'intitlement' that people think they have. Pretty sad really.
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Gentle_Giant
My doctors tried to turn away a sick toddler yesterday - because she and her mother arent registered with them - shocking.

Define a sick toddler?
Cold? Sniffles? Ear Ache?..
What they need is an old fashioned Grandma who will wrap them up with some hot honey and lemon.
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TWENTY POUND CHARGE FOR A+E visits and TEN POUNDS to see a GP would stop half the people in their tracks. Many years ago I worked in a surgery and it was the EXACT SAME 500 patients a week out of 14,000+ on the register. Most were elderly and simply bored/lonely. Others would turn up for a bottle of Calpol (thankfully now the cheap generic stuff) or a hundred paracetamol.

If your surgery stays open the number of appointments wont increase, the GPs are worked off their feet, they will simply go on shifts.

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this I why they will be recruiting from overseas.
Hopefully the government will try to train more doctors in the future.
1 Like #2
disgusting, why should doctors have to work at weekends in A and E, close the department at the weekend!
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shadey12
this I why they will be recruiting from overseas.
Hopefully the government will try to train more doctors in the future.

They already do and we are still short and full of useless locums giving rubbish advice.
15 Likes #4
What we need to do is stop people going to GP's and A&E that don't need to be there.
2 Likes #5
Health us not a Monday to Friday issue, Im sure if you required emergency treatment at hospital and it was closed you wouldn't be happy. Hopefully by making GP's open weekends it should take the strain of hospitals, but more doctors should be employed as this wouldn't be fair.
1 Like #6
They should be open as we now live 24/7 and those in work should have priority so then no need for them to take time off work during the week for doctors appointments.
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GAVINLEWISHUKD
What we need to do is stop people going to GP's and A&E that don't need to be there.
Simple answer those who arrive at A & E non emergency should be advised upon arrival correct route for treatment eg gp or walk in centre and informed non emergency cases treated in A & E incur a charge! Once people realised there was a charge/fine for incorrect use of A & E might get rid of those clogging up the system for those in genuine need.
2 Likes #8
luckily I haven't been to the doctors for years but have to make appts for parent and the surgery is closed for 3 days out of 7 and appts can only be booked at 0800 hrs by phone .... crazy, I prefer to use the pharmacist at Boots!
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metal godlee
Health us not a Monday to Friday issue, Im sure if you required emergency treatment at hospital and it was closed you wouldn't be happy. Hopefully by making GP's open weekends it should take the strain of hospitals, but more doctors should be employed as this wouldn't be fair.

Health is a 365 day issue. You look after yourself and your body (generally) will look after you*. You treat it like garbage and pay the consequences.

*There are exceptions but the low numbers are not killing the NHS.
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kiteangel
GAVINLEWISHUKD
What we need to do is stop people going to GP's and A&E that don't need to be there.
Simple answer those who arrive at A & E non emergency should be advised upon arrival correct route for treatment eg gp or walk in centre and informed non emergency cases treated in A & E incur a charge! Once people realised there was a charge/fine for incorrect use of A & E might get rid of those clogging up the system for those in genuine need.

Sadly it's common sense and in general the population is lacking. Speak to anybody in emergency services (police,fire, ambulance) they get called about every little thing now. It's a culture thing of 'intitlement' that people think they have. Pretty sad really.
2 Likes #11
My doctors tried to turn away a sick toddler yesterday - because she and her mother arent registered with them - shocking.
The women lives an hour away, but cannot get home to see her own doctor because she has broken her arm and is stuck staying with relatives until she can drive. She had also just come out of surgery at the hospital herself, so ended up crying in the waiting room; a mixture of pain, medication, and frustration.
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If you have more appointments at a weekend it stands to reason there will be fewer during the week.

Unless you hire more doctors I don't see how spreading the available appointments to the weekend helps. You already cannot get an appointment in a timely manner.

There are are only a few ways of creating extra appointments, hire more docs, shorter appointment times (already 10 mins is cutting it fine) or force existing docs to work more hours.
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TWENTY POUND CHARGE FOR A+E visits and TEN POUNDS to see a GP would stop half the people in their tracks. Many years ago I worked in a surgery and it was the EXACT SAME 500 patients a week out of 14,000+ on the register. Most were elderly and simply bored/lonely. Others would turn up for a bottle of Calpol (thankfully now the cheap generic stuff) or a hundred paracetamol.

If your surgery stays open the number of appointments wont increase, the GPs are worked off their feet, they will simply go on shifts.
3 Likes #14
GP's are useless these days, unlike 20 years ago when they actually cared and when they actually took appropriate action. Nowadays i get a new GP every visit and they just do not care at all, they guess and actually on occasions ive made decisions which they should be making. I'd rather book it with a nurse or with a long standing doctor. Would hate to think how bad they'll be if stretched even further.
2 Likes #15
So they should, some people work during the week (not the main NHS wasting offenders I admit) also, illnesses aren't just Monday to Friday illnesses.
GP's have the easiest well paid jobs in the NHS.
1 Like #16
Graham1979
TWENTY POUND CHARGE FOR A+E visits and TEN POUNDS to see a GP would stop half the people in their tracks. Many years ago I worked in a surgery and it was the EXACT SAME 500 patients a week out of 14,000+ on the register. Most were elderly and simply bored/lonely. Others would turn up for a bottle of Calpol (thankfully now the cheap generic stuff) or a hundred paracetamol.

If your surgery stays open the number of appointments wont increase, the GPs are worked off their feet, they will simply go on shifts.


I totally agree with you, but the worst offenders would be exempt from this payment like they are now for all services, so it wouldn't work sadly.
2 Likes #17
good, get on with your jobs

While we're at it, scrap the Sunday trading laws
7 Likes #18
Gentle_Giant
My doctors tried to turn away a sick toddler yesterday - because she and her mother arent registered with them - shocking.

Define a sick toddler?
Cold? Sniffles? Ear Ache?..
What they need is an old fashioned Grandma who will wrap them up with some hot honey and lemon.
1 Like #19
benjammin316
good, get on with your jobs

While we're at it, scrap the Sunday trading laws

Agreed, I don't want a government to tell me if I can or can't open my shop on a Sunday?? Let's shut down ebay. and all the ecommerce sites as it is unfair they can trade whilst my shop can't..
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Chiptivo
benjammin316
good, get on with your jobs
While we're at it, scrap the Sunday trading laws
Agreed, I don't want a government to tell me if I can or can't open my shop on a Sunday?? Let's shut down ebay. and all the ecommerce sites as it is unfair they can trade whilst my shop can't..


No need, just scrap the sunday law and all is well.

I have things to do on a Sunday and I loathe having to wait until 10am to do them
1 Like #21
Graham1979
TWENTY POUND CHARGE FOR A+E visits and TEN POUNDS to see a GP would stop half the people in their tracks. Many years ago I worked in a surgery and it was the EXACT SAME 500 patients a week out of 14,000+ on the register. Most were elderly and simply bored/lonely. Others would turn up for a bottle of Calpol (thankfully now the cheap generic stuff) or a hundred paracetamol.
If your surgery stays open the number of appointments wont increase, the GPs are worked off their feet, they will simply go on shifts.

If they turned up for calpol then they are poor as with prescription charges it would cost 6x what it does in the supermarket, so they have a prescription examption card, if they are poor they can't afford your £10 to £20 do you want their child to suffer with a fever that could lead to something more serious?
1 Like #22
J4GG4
GP's are useless these days, unlike 20 years ago when they actually cared and when they actually took appropriate action. Nowadays i get a new GP every visit and they just do not care at all, they guess and actually on occasions ive made decisions which they should be making. I'd rather book it with a nurse or with a long standing doctor. Would hate to think how bad they'll be if stretched even further.


I was once told by a locum that the NHS is for physical not mental stuff and to go and pay privately for a shrink.

I was later diagnosed with GAD, moderate OCD and mild Depression and am now getting 1 hour a week of CBT so at least thats something.
4 Likes #23
Error440
Graham1979
TWENTY POUND CHARGE FOR A+E visits and TEN POUNDS to see a GP would stop half the people in their tracks. Many years ago I worked in a surgery and it was the EXACT SAME 500 patients a week out of 14,000+ on the register. Most were elderly and simply bored/lonely. Others would turn up for a bottle of Calpol (thankfully now the cheap generic stuff) or a hundred paracetamol.
If your surgery stays open the number of appointments wont increase, the GPs are worked off their feet, they will simply go on shifts.
If they turned up for calpol then they are poor as with prescription charges it would cost 6x what it does in the supermarket, so they have a prescription examption card, if they are poor they can't afford your £10 to £20 do you want their child to suffer with a fever that could lead to something more serious?


Jesus, a paracetamol (hard form of calpol) costs about 1.5 pence, that is it. No waste of NHS, no prescription charge, no dispensing charge. Please god, can we get a government who will sort out these people who will want their **** wiping on the NHS next..
1 Like #24
davewave
disgusting, why should doctors have to work at weekends in A and E, close the department at the weekend!


​I agree however they are paid a ton of money from us, and then we have to take time off work to see them in office hours? They should provide a service to those who pay for it which isn't 9-5, I see what your saying but 90% of all the workers in the country have to work unsociable hours so why shouldn't they too? But I also don't see a way out as hospitals say go to your gp, but when you can't get an appointment your sent to the hospital? The system is totally broken
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Error440
Graham1979
TWENTY POUND CHARGE FOR A+E visits and TEN POUNDS to see a GP would stop half the people in their tracks. Many years ago I worked in a surgery and it was the EXACT SAME 500 patients a week out of 14,000+ on the register. Most were elderly and simply bored/lonely. Others would turn up for a bottle of Calpol (thankfully now the cheap generic stuff) or a hundred paracetamol.
If your surgery stays open the number of appointments wont increase, the GPs are worked off their feet, they will simply go on shifts.
If they turned up for calpol then they are poor as with prescription charges it would cost 6x what it does in the supermarket, so they have a prescription examption card, if they are poor they can't afford your £10 to £20 do you want their child to suffer with a fever that could lead to something more serious?
calpol is for children, under 16 so free prescription for all.. parents will go see the gp for a freebie rather than pay the £2-£3 it is in tesco even if they can afford it
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Chiptivo

GP's have the easiest well paid jobs in the NHS.

They should put this on the recruitment posters shouldn't they?

Odd how the easiest most well payed job in the NHS is facing a recruitment crisis. Surely doctors should be lining up to be GPs?
1 Like #27
The "civilzed" world has got too soft and over population is the biggest threat to our planet. We need to realise that natures natural selection is no longer in control of our species and we are gradually seeing a more unhealthy society which relies more heavily on medicine.
6 Likes #28
My good lady was a nurse for many years, the stress and anxiety she used to bring home everyday was unbelievable, I begged her for a long time to get another job.
She's been telling me for ages that this is what's wrong with the NHS, there's no shortage of funding.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/753985/NHS-crisis-campaigner-says-old-people-are-not-to-blame
(This is not my wife by the way).
1 Like #29
error makes a valuable point where are the GPs coming from. Good plan but reality is it will be 5 years plus before we see enough doctors if they increased recruitment now and even then they have been trying to for years and our doctors which used to have 4 and has 2 now still can't get full time doctors.
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Chiptivo
Error440
Graham1979
TWENTY POUND CHARGE FOR A+E visits and TEN POUNDS to see a GP would stop half the people in their tracks. Many years ago I worked in a surgery and it was the EXACT SAME 500 patients a week out of 14,000+ on the register. Most were elderly and simply bored/lonely. Others would turn up for a bottle of Calpol (thankfully now the cheap generic stuff) or a hundred paracetamol.
If your surgery stays open the number of appointments wont increase, the GPs are worked off their feet, they will simply go on shifts.
If they turned up for calpol then they are poor as with prescription charges it would cost 6x what it does in the supermarket, so they have a prescription examption card, if they are poor they can't afford your £10 to £20 do you want their child to suffer with a fever that could lead to something more serious?
Jesus, a paracetamol (hard form of calpol) costs about 1.5 pence, that is it. No waste of NHS, no prescription charge, no dispensing charge. Please god, can we get a government who will sort out these people who will want their **** wiping on the NHS next..

So a child with a fever isn't something to go to the doctors over? Despite years of government advice telling people to or risk meningitis.

I took my kid to the walk in over Christmas, as far as i was concerned he just had a ear infection but the school insisted he be checked out for meningitis, put the willies up me they did, two teachers asking me to take him and a phone call from the head.
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Gentle_Giant
My doctors tried to turn away a sick toddler yesterday - because she and her mother arent registered with them - shocking.
The women lives an hour away, but cannot get home to see her own doctor because she has broken her arm and is stuck staying with relatives until she can drive. She had also just come out of surgery at the hospital herself, so ended up crying in the waiting room; a mixture of pain, medication, and frustration.
Isn't that what Walk-in centres are for? I'm not sure what's shocking about it. The GP serves the people that are registered with them, not any old random that happens to turn up. If that were the case, it'd be even more difficult to get an appointment than it is now.
1 Like #32
Keep letting EU immigrants come in!
Keep having less unis that teach medicine and keep being strict at those poor medical students! It's too stressful and that's why no one from here goes to uni to become a Doc. Those that do, work in private or in foreign countries.
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zworld
Keep letting EU immigrants come in!
Keep having less unis that teach medicine and keep being strict at those poor medical students! It's too stressful and that's why no one from here goes to uni to become a Doc. Those that do, work in private or in foreign countries.

Places for medical degrees at all the Red Brick Medical Schools in the UK are over subscribed, part of the problem is very few want to go into general practice, its simply not a attractive option for student Drs.

I changed Drs as the local surgery couldn't offer an appointment system and you had to ring on the day, now I moved to a more forward thinking practice when I can book a Skype appointment and get sorted out quickly and efficiently.
5 Likes #34
People who miss their gp appointment and don't cancel beforehand should be fined. Pretty sure you'll get fined if you waste police time, it shouldn't be any different when it comes to the GP.
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Aiden1512
People who miss their gp appointment and don't cancel beforehand should be fined. Pretty sure you'll get fined if you waste police time, it shouldn't be any different when it comes to the GP.

That's exactly what my dentist does.
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Predikuesi
Aiden1512
People who miss their gp appointment and don't cancel beforehand should be fined. Pretty sure you'll get fined if you waste police time, it shouldn't be any different when it comes to the GP.
That's exactly what my dentist does.

and my hairdresser X)
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DKLS
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I changed Drs as the local surgery couldn't offer an appointment system and you had to ring on the day, now I moved to a more forward thinking practice when I can book a Skype appointment and get sorted out quickly and efficiently.

Whoa, that's a very good GP.
In mine, I used to be able to ring anytime in the day and get a evening or a next day appointment. Nowdays, if you don't ring at 8 , you get an appointment 3 weeks later. If you ring at 8, no one picks up the phoen or the line is engaged. If you get through to someone eventually at 8:15, youa re told - sorry better luck tomorrow!
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zworld
DKLS
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I changed Drs as the local surgery couldn't offer an appointment system and you had to ring on the day, now I moved to a more forward thinking practice when I can book a Skype appointment and get sorted out quickly and efficiently.
Whoa, that's a very good GP.
In mine, I used to be able to ring anytime in the day and get a evening or a next day appointment. Nowdays, if you don't ring at 8 , you get an appointment 3 weeks later. If you ring at 8, no one picks up the phoen or the line is engaged. If you get through to someone eventually at 8:15, youa re told - sorry better luck tomorrow!

Or the receptionist insists on telling them exactly what is wrong and they decide you're worthy of an appointment or not.

We live in a 24/7 society now, healthcare shouldn't be from exempt from that.
1 Like #39
stuarthanley
Gentle_Giant
My doctors tried to turn away a sick toddler yesterday - because she and her mother arent registered with them - shocking.
The women lives an hour away, but cannot get home to see her own doctor because she has broken her arm and is stuck staying with relatives until she can drive. She had also just come out of surgery at the hospital herself, so ended up crying in the waiting room; a mixture of pain, medication, and frustration.
Isn't that what Walk-in centres are for? I'm not sure what's shocking about it. The GP serves the people that are registered with them, not any old random that happens to turn up. If that were the case, it'd be even more difficult to get an appointment than it is now.

Thats not true a GP must provide emergency treatment if you are registered with them or not and must continue to help you for upto 14 days. This is because people go on holiday and get sick thats the point, although I'm not sure how you'd know if it was an emergency or not until you see the GP and if it really is what I'd consider an emergency youd be straight round A&E not sitting in a GP surgery.

Also they have no right to refuse your registration without good reason and they are supposed to provide that in writing.
1 Like #40
zworld
Keep letting EU immigrants come in!
Keep having less unis that teach medicine and keep being strict at those poor medical students! It's too stressful and that's why no one from here goes to uni to become a Doc. Those that do, work in private or in foreign countries.

Think it cost 70k in total to train up too doesn't it?

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