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Grand Theft Auto 5 banned in several chains in Australia thanks to online petition with 40k signatures because the game is a "sickening game (which) encourages players to commit sexual violence and kill women" . Anyone else think this is silly?

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So basically a petition in Australia decided that GTA V is a "sickening game (which) encourages players to commit sexual violence and kill women" after it has been out 12 months. News article - ht…
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2y, 3m agoPosted 2 years, 3 months ago
So basically a petition in Australia decided that GTA V is a "sickening game (which) encourages players to commit sexual violence and kill women" after it has been out 12 months.

News article - http://uk.pcmag.com/console-games-products/38005/news/gta-v-pulled-from-target-kmart-shelves-in-australi

Petition - https://www.change.org/p/target-withdraw-grand-theft-auto-5-this-sickening-game-encourages-players-to-commit-sexual-violence-and-kill-women

Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid? Should we now ban all films and books that depict any violence towards women?

Thankfully there is a growing counter petition - https://www.change.org/p/kmart-continue-to-sell-grand-theft-auto-5-in-australia
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There's far worse films out there- I blame the parents buying the games for under age kids

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5 Likes #1
There's far worse films out there- I blame the parents buying the games for under age kids
1 Like #2
Pascalini
There's far worse films out there- I blame the parents buying the games for under age kids


This.
1 Like #3
Pascalini
There's far worse films out there- I blame the parents buying the games for under age kids

Yep. Lost count of the number of kids I've heard playing online. It's not a kids game, it's got an 18 cert for a reason.
2 Likes #4
yrreb88
"to commit sexual violence and kill women" = "Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid?"

I think committing sexual violence and killing woman is pretty bad to be fair...
#5
Chiptivo
yrreb88
"to commit sexual violence and kill women" = "Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid?"

I think committing sexual violence and killing woman is pretty bad to be fair...

You misunderstood, of course sexual violence and killing women is wrong but stating that GTA V encourages people to commit sexual violence and to kill women is stupid.

My point is this is a game that has been out for 12 months and is just that, a game.
#6
There's gameplay footage online, will they put a ban on those too? Ban certain websites, or maybe ban children from exploring the internet, if it's that much of a risk?
#7
You could still steal a car and then run them over or shoot them in GTA1...... violence is still violence :|

http://3rd-strike.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GTA1-Busted.jpg
#9
Think it's the 1st person mode found on the current generation versions that has caused the uproar.
banned 1 Like #10
So pointless, but it will be good for sales. The more you try to cover up something the more publicity it gets.

See the Streisand Effect

"Ooh they banned it so it must be worth playing!"
#11
KillFelix
So pointless, but it will be good for sales. The more you try to cover up something the more publicity it gets.

See the Streisand Effect

"Ooh they banned it so it must be worth playing!"

Thing is GTA is also one of the biggest selling games in history and has already been out for a year. I think target have thought we've made a lot of money already lets save ourselves from some bad publicity.

dave859
Think it's the 1st person mode found on the current generation versions that has caused the uproar.

But the game has already been out for a year and you can still play the game the same way just in 1st person. You can still kill and hurt etc so I don't understand why that is so controversial.
#12
This link sums it up for those who lack understanding of why GTA isn't just a bit of fun.

Your text here

Plus I will point out to you op if you aren't capable of understanding or can't be bothered to click on the link, it is not a bunch of "feminazi" as you put it, ( why use a term that instantly identifies you as a misogynistic troll To be ignored as a moron?) It is a group of ABUSE SURVIVERS.


Edited By: Error440 on Dec 07, 2014 16:37
#13
RealistRaja
There's gameplay footage online, will they put a ban on those too? Ban certain websites, or maybe ban children from exploring the internet, if it's that much of a risk?

Exactly, you can't be selective in censorship. I just hope this doesn't spread to other retailers. I mean people will have to buy things online or on their console and it's a lot easier to buy a game through those methods when you're underage.
#14
Error440
This link sums it up for those who lack understanding of why GTA isn't just a bit of fun.

Your text here

Plus I will point out to you op if you aren't capable of understanding or can't be bothered to click on the link, it is not a bunch of "feminazi" as you put it, ( why use a term that instantly identifies you as a misogynistic troll To be ignored as a moron?) It is a group of ABUSE SURVIVERS.


Without meaning to belittle their pain - were they abused by people who went on to commit their crimes as a result of playing violent games?
#15
just need to add a choice to play as a female who then attacks men.
easy fix
banned 1 Like #16
yrreb88
KillFelix
So pointless, but it will be good for sales. The more you try to cover up something the more publicity it gets.

See the Streisand Effect

"Ooh they banned it so it must be worth playing!"

Thing is GTA is also one of the biggest selling games in history and has already been out for a year. I think target have thought we've made a lot of money already lets save ourselves from some bad publicity.

dave859
Think it's the 1st person mode found on the current generation versions that has caused the uproar.

But the game has already been out for a year and you can still play the game the same way just in 1st person. You can still kill and hurt etc so I don't understand why that is so controversial.

Save themselves from bad publicity? They just served themselves up a huge dish of bad publicity by doing this.
#17
Error440
This link sums it up for those who lack understanding of why GTA isn't just a bit of fun.

Your text here

Plus I will point out to you op if you aren't capable of understanding or can't be bothered to click on the link, it is not a bunch of "feminazi" as you put it, ( why use a term that instantly identifies you as a misogynistic troll To be ignored as a moron?) It is a group of ABUSE SURVIVERS.

Later this week, the link below may make more sense:

[ http://www.digitiser2000.com/main-page/panel-4-gtav-who-are-we-kidding-by-mr-biffo ]
#18
miikeyblue
Without meaning to belittle their pain - were they abused by people who went on to commit their crimes as a result of playing violent games?

"inb4" somebody mentions "Manhunt (2)"...

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/manhunt-2-nintendo-wii-game-only-7-339802?p=4557797 ]

joeymcjoe
Is this as good as the first Manhunt? By "as good" I mean will it make crazy people want to do murders?
fanpages
It was never proven that the original "Manhunt" game caused the murder of 14 year old Stefan Pakeerah by his older friend, Warren Leblanc (on 27 February 2004).

Although widely reported that Leblanc was "obsessed" with the game, causing the title to be removed from sale (even with increased demand due to the court case) from some high street stores, and on various internet sites (such as eBay), the police force responsible for the investigation & presentation of the evidence to secure a conviction did, in fact, make it clear that the party responsible for the murder (Leblanc) did not own the game.

The victim (Pakeerah) did!


Games do not kill people.
People kill people.
1 Like #19
Yes I think it's silly. But if I recall correctly, there is no legal right to freedom of speech in Australia. That is why some music albums are banned for what seems like ridiculous reasons. So I can't say I am surprised.
#20
Error440
This link sums it up for those who lack understanding of why GTA isn't just a bit of fun.

Your text here

Plus I will point out to you op if you aren't capable of understanding or can't be bothered to click on the link, it is not a bunch of "feminazi" as you put it, ( why use a term that instantly identifies you as a misogynistic troll To be ignored as a moron?) It is a group of ABUSE SURVIVERS.


Re-edited, apologies, was ignorant of me.

That article still states "let's not pretend for a moment that GTA doesn't at the very least encourage virtual violence against virtual women" which imo is wrong. This is an RPG, you can kill lots of people of different genders and races in many games and an open world sandbox game is one which tries to promote freedom to do nearly anything.

"People complaining about this are basically complaining about losing their right to pretend they're having pretend sex with dull-eyed, female avatars before pretending to kill them". Again, incorrect imo and this is a massive oversimplification of things. Do we ban all films and books that contain strip clubs, violence against and murder of women?

This is a sensitive issue and I'm afraid I can't say anything without sounding insenstive to the abuse survivor group that started it but the petition is based on misinformation and exaggeration such as "It's a game that encourages players to murder women for entertainment. The incentive is to commit sexual violence against women, then abuse or kill them to proceed or get 'health' points".

Australia is quite strict on sexual violence, if the game contained anything of the sort, it would not pass the R18+ rating.
banned#21
It is a bit silly
#22
Error440
This link sums it up for those who lack understanding of why GTA isn't just a bit of fun.

Your text here

Plus I will point out to you op if you aren't capable of understanding or can't be bothered to click on the link, it is not a bunch of "feminazi" as you put it, ( why use a term that instantly identifies you as a misogynistic troll To be ignored as a moron?) It is a group of ABUSE SURVIVERS.


They make an interesting point that their are no female controllable characters. I'd like to see that, Smack my Bitch Up style, but I don't think it should be banned. It sets a dangerous precedent for other types of games being banned.

And whoooaaa, Digitser still exists?!

Edited By: moneysavingkitten on Dec 07, 2014 17:29: Added link
3 Likes #23
I've killed far more men in GTA than women.
2 Likes #24
miikeyblue
I've killed far more men in GTA than women.

But did you pay them for sex then take you money back after you killed them? :D
#25
Austrailia is a very strict country they do have there heads screwed on right as far as imigration etc so us a country cant realy judge them as there government is doung a better job than ours but i do think its silly yes
#26
Adam2222
Austrailia is a very strict country they do have there heads screwed on right as far as imigration etc so us a country cant realy judge them as there government is doung a better job than ours but i do think its silly yes

lol, the system is, pay us enough and we'll let you stay.
#27
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.
3 Likes #28
Anyone who downloads the Kardashian app is probably more of a danger to society.:|
1 Like #29
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

I don't think you give kids enough credit. They young, not stupid. It doesn't mean they have no sense of right and wrong. If parents are going to let them play it, then they have a duty put it into some kind of context for them too.

Also you may be surprised how many girls/women do play it, despite there being no female playable characters.
banned 4 Likes #30
If you can breast feed in it, it's a thumbs up from me.
#31
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

But you enjoyed china town?

http://www.hotukdeals.com/ask/what-play-xbox-live-1966471
#32
moneysavingkitten
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

I don't think you give kids enough credit. They young, not stupid. It doesn't mean they have no sense of right and wrong. If parents are going to let them play it, then they have a duty put it into some kind of context for them too.

Also you may be surprised how many girls/women do play it, despite there being no female playable characters.

I stopped playing it years ago because of the misogyny it just isn't funny and you can't deny we are getting more and more disgusting comments aimed at women coming from online little trolls, its especially aimed at women in the games Industry and it comes from inside the companies as well as out too, every media is to blame so you have to fight it with petitions.

Its a circle, media tries to be extreme, that influences society's views making them more extreme so the media has to be even more extreme and so on and so forth, its been shown so meny times that media influences from adverts telling you buy this to be happy, to kids desperately trying to be size 0.
#33
toshapetriji
If you can breast feed in it, it's a thumbs up from me.

you have to pay for that in the game :)
#34
miikeyblue
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

But you enjoyed china town?

http://www.hotukdeals.com/ask/what-play-xbox-live-1966471

yes that was still in the cartoony mold, it ceased being funny with gta3 and its ilk, I did enjoy **** about on a bmx in SA but I hardly touched the story it was just a borefest of cliché racists gangster crap, you see with the old top down games not only did it look more of a joke but the lack of actual cut scenes and spoken dialogue made it far better and not grating.
#35
Error440
miikeyblue
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

But you enjoyed china town?

http://www.hotukdeals.com/ask/what-play-xbox-live-1966471

yes that was still in the cartoony mold, it ceased being funny with gta3 and its ilk, I did enjoy **** about on a bmx in SA but I hardly touched the story it was just a borefest of cliché racists gangster crap, you see with the old top down games not only did it look more of a joke but the lack of actual cut scenes and spoken dialogue made it far better and not grating.

I'd agree. GTA 1 / London were the best.
2 Likes #36
Error440
moneysavingkitten
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

I don't think you give kids enough credit. They young, not stupid. It doesn't mean they have no sense of right and wrong. If parents are going to let them play it, then they have a duty put it into some kind of context for them too.

Also you may be surprised how many girls/women do play it, despite there being no female playable characters.

I stopped playing it years ago because of the misogyny it just isn't funny and you can't deny we are getting more and more disgusting comments aimed at women coming from online little trolls, its especially aimed at women in the games Industry and it comes from inside the companies as well as out too, every media is to blame so you have to fight it with petitions.

Its a circle, media tries to be extreme, that influences society's views making them more extreme so the media has to be even more extreme and so on and so forth, its been shown so meny times that media influences from adverts telling you buy this to be happy, to kids desperately trying to be size 0.

My own experience is the opposite. In the 90's I received far most disgusting comments on a regular basis online. Perhaps this has given e a thicker skin, but I don't think that is a bad thing. These days as more and more women have been gaming, I find this less and less. Of course I am not a game industry expert, nor am I famous.

By banning these things because some women don't like it, you are reinforcing a stereotype of weak women.

My guess is these comments are aimed at women because some men are insecure about their way of gaming being changed. This is why banning this game in my opinion won't help.

Do I want to see more positive attitudes towards females in games and more characters that are strong female role models? Of course! Do I want other games to be sensored to achieve this? No. Because it will be resented and it's a slippery slope. Should Destiny be banned because it teaches wiping out races from other cultures is a good idea? Should Need for Speed be banned because it encourages street racing?

I don't think you can blame the media for these kinds of problems. We need to look at how we teach kids to be independent thinkers, so marketing has little effect on them.
#37
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

Do half the kids recognise that? 1. Kids shouldn't be playing it. 2. 99% of the population can distinguish between reality, videogames. stereotypes and cliches. 3. Kids shouldn't be playing it.

As I say shall we ban all films and books with any negative portrayals and stereotypes of women? Shall we shut down all lap dancing clubs (we probably should tbh)? Anyone want to ban the diet coke advert due to the complete sexual objectification of men? What about the female gamers that play and enjoy GTA?

Where does it stop and when do we start to use common sense? Why does no one take responsibilty for their own actions and blame everything else? If parents can't teach their children to understand reality instead of taking everything they see on tv as gospel what hope do we have?

I find it baffling that people want to take action with things like this when there is so much inequality and violence towards women in other parts of the world which I think should be the main focus.

Edited By: yrreb88 on Dec 07, 2014 18:02
#38
yrreb88
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

Do half the kids recognise that? 1. Kids shouldn't be playing it. 2. 99% of the population can distinguish between reality, videogames. stereotypes and cliches. 3. Kids shouldn't be playing it.

As I say shall we ban all films and books with any negative portrayals and stereotypes of women? Shall we shut down all lap dancing clubs (we probably should tbh)? Anyone want to ban the diet coke advert due to the complete sexual objectification of men? What about the female gamers that play and enjoy GTA?

Where does it stop and when do we start to use common sense? Why does no one take responsibilty for their own actions and blame everything else? If parents can't teach their children to understand reality instead of taking everything they see on tv as gospel what hope do we have?

I find it baffling that people want to take action with things like this when there is so much inequality and violence towards women in other parts of the world which I think should be the main focus.

thsts why I said media, I find your and others who say similar strange, years ago the same arguments would have been said about the black stereotypes in various media but we got rid of the black and write minstrel show and characters like Sunflower http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120529023229/disney/images/9/97/16_cen10-1-.jpg

because we knew it was wrong and derogatory so why continue to allow the various medias to treat women in a derogatory way, we are still earning less then men, still getting kicked off tv when the dot on our hands changes colour while the men carry on reading the news etc until they keel over and in general are treated with far more respect, we are just sex objects valued purely on looks, to be discarded easily, that is what tv, film and games teach us.

and it is getting worse there are more horrid little trolls online, more threats and women in games are increasingly looking like things out of S&M porno as graphics get better, women are more and jore shown as sex objects, a good example of this would be soul calibur, look at taki in soul edge and then compare that to the way she has been evolved down the years, play a few old ps1 RPGs you will be surprised at how fast things have changed in terms of female art design.

Edited By: Error440 on Dec 07, 2014 19:59
#39
Error440
yrreb88
Error440
I believe it is part of the problem it paints women in a negative light, painting them as sluts or idiots, its forming negative stereotypes, giving the player reasons to judge them, the men are not treated like that, no nudging towards a viewpoint before you kill them.

the main protagonists maybe scum but they are still painted as being in control, the top dog for whatever reason, rockstar claim its a parody but does it matter? Do half the kids playing it understand that or are they just soaking it all up only to regurgitate it all at women online in threats and disgusting comments.

Yes GTA isn't the only one doing it but they can't all hide behind each other and shout why don't you moan about them instead, besides its one of the best selling games in the world and clearly the biggest selling gangstaaa title, so you target it, just as you target Apple for using sweatshops in the hopes that if you can make the biggest in the market change it will filter down to the rest of them.

Do half the kids recognise that? 1. Kids shouldn't be playing it. 2. 99% of the population can distinguish between reality, videogames. stereotypes and cliches. 3. Kids shouldn't be playing it.

As I say shall we ban all films and books with any negative portrayals and stereotypes of women? Shall we shut down all lap dancing clubs (we probably should tbh)? Anyone want to ban the diet coke advert due to the complete sexual objectification of men? What about the female gamers that play and enjoy GTA?

Where does it stop and when do we start to use common sense? Why does no one take responsibilty for their own actions and blame everything else? If parents can't teach their children to understand reality instead of taking everything they see on tv as gospel what hope do we have?

I find it baffling that people want to take action with things like this when there is so much inequality and violence towards women in other parts of the world which I think should be the main focus.

thsts why I said media, I find your and others who say similar strange, years ago the same arguments would have been said about the black stereotypes in various media but we got rid of the black and write minstrel show and characters like Sunflower http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120529023229/disney/images/9/97/16_cen10-1-.jpg

because we knew it was wrong and derogatory so why continue to allow the various medias to treat women in a derogatory way, we are still earning less then men, still getting kicked off tv when the dot on our hands changes colour while the men carry on reading the news etc until they keel over and in general are treated with far more respect, we are just sex objects valued purely on looks, to be discarded easily, that is what tv, film and games teach us.

and it is getting worse there are more horrid little trolls online, more threats and women in games are increasingly looking like things out of S&M porno as graphics get better, women are more and jore shown as sex objects, a good example of this would be soul calibur, look at taki in soul edge and then compare that to the way she has been evolved down the years, play a few old ps1 RPGs you will be surprised at how fast things have changed in terms of female art design.

Earning less than men? Can you give examples of jobs where this occurs? It's illegal in this country to pay someone different wages due to gender.
So there are no older female newsreaders, tv presenters, actresses etc and men are treated with more respect? What evidence are you basing these claims on? Men are treated as sex objects too, how many "unnactractive" men are actors, dancers, celebs etc are there?

With Soul caliber, and many games originating from Japan, you are comparing 2 different cultures so it's not entirely fair to use it as an example of sexism. Japan has a very different culture, it is also a lot more stylised in its art and design.

There is no evidence to show that games cause negative real life consequences and behaviour such as sexism and there are far more men violently mistreated in games. There are more games now with proportional, appropriately dressed female leads than ever. Gamers don't care who you are they just want to play games with as many different themes and complexities as possible and to have fun. :)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29892928

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/aug/19/gender-pay-gap-women-bosses-earn-35-percent-less-than-men

Its pretty clear there are more old men on tv then old women you just have to look at tv presenters and news readers, there's very few women over 50 in presenter/news reader roles, its blatantly obvious. sadly most male actors are ugly or avarage looking imho.

Games are part of it, games, tv/film, music and print/websites they all have a part to play in shaping views and should be more responsible.

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