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Graphics Card For the Sims 2

kazmcj Avatar
8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
Hi all

I am a newbie so I hope i've posted it in the right place.

My daughter has the Sims 2 and all the expansion packs. They were all fine and running well on her old computer,. It was an Athlon. With a Nvidia AGP card.

However I recently upgraded mine, so gave her my old one. Its a Medion computer MD8383. The installed Graphics card is a Nvidia Geforce 6610XL. I have
successfully loaded the games but everytime she goes to play, within about five minutes it crashes. I have updated the driver from Nvidia site but makes no difference at all.

If the graphics card is the problem, I don't want to spend to much money getting a new one.

Does anyone play the sims2 and can you recommend a good cheepish graphics card that you know will run it? (needs to be a PCI Expressx16) and a good site to buy from?

thanks
Karen
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8y, 9m agoPosted 8 years, 9 months ago
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#1
i think that shold be ok tbh.. but im no pro.
#2
what mb ram do you have in the pc?
#3
It had 512mb but I had thought maybe the ram wasn't enough so I added a further 1gb, It still crashed:?
#4
When you had your Medion, running the game, did you update the graphics card at all?

I did restote the computer to factory setting with their recovery disc. I then downloaded the latest Nvidia driver from their site. I don't really no to much about computers but if the card was faulty would it not play other things as well. When I play a movie the pictures fine.

At least I now know the card is able to play the Sims 2. Thanks for that.
1 Like #5
dcx_badass
That's not the problem, I used to have the Medion MD8383, It can run the Sims 2 perfectly on full settings. The problem is not related to the graphics card of if it is, its because its faulty, not because its not powerful enought to play it. Try a clean install of windows see if it works. If not phone medion get an engineer to sort it.


*I would partially agree however ;). the problem still might be caused by the graphic card (e.g. might get too hot while playing games).I have checked the specification of the system and the game requirements - everything should be fine.
*If you are absolutely sure that you have chosen the correct drivers, check whether the fan on graphic card is working or not.Also, try to check how hot is the heatsink of the card ( check with the finger as in some circumstances the heatsink is not fitted properly and does not spread the heat ) .
*I would check the psu as dcx_badass suggests.how to do it , do not worry it is a very simple procedure.If the voltage is unstable (or different than should be +/- 5%), replace the PSU.Buy only branded (£20-30), noname do not say the truth about genuine vattage!!!
*I would not call medion engineers as phone tech support will not help and their visit or service would cost more than the computer is worth.
#6
kazmcj
I don't really no to much about computers but if the card was faulty would it not play other things as well. When I play a movie the pictures fine.


Playing movies does not use the graphic card as much as games , so it is pretty normal that you can use computer, Internet, watch movies without problems but systems keeps crushing when you run the game.
1 Like #7
It could also be a memory/mistime or fault look up memtest86 and try the tests, also as this is a predictable fault it shouldnt take too long to find, only five mins test b4 moving on lucky u its worse when they crash after an hour
If the memory passes the tests try running with each stick on its own some board bios dont like mixed memory
also update ur sound drivers they get thrown about a lot more n gaming
ps i am assuming after the factory restore u tested with the original drivers?, if not wait till you've ruled the other stuff out
oh dear missed the most common one, take side off case and check the cpu fan, big black one facing u from mainboard
if u can see only metal under the fan from top ur ok, often a big wad of dust collects there and causes cpu overheating, get small brush and vac nozzle
#8
Thanks for that, I think LOL - I don't fancy calling Medion out either as it's out of warranty and probably cost an arm and a leg.

That guide looks a bit complicated for me and I don't have the bits and bobs to test with anyway:(.

What about if i get a normal fan and stand it next to the computer with the side of and blow cold air in. Then try and run the game and see if it still crashes? or will I blow myself up.

Will check tomorrow on your suggestion about the heat sink and the fan on the card though.

Sure it was the right driver it was from Nvdia driver site and I put in card name and it found it for me. Forceware 169 i think it was with a dec 2007 date.

Thanks for all your help evryone it was much appreciated and you've given me a few things to try
#9
menu 'start'/control panel/administrative tools/event viewer/ - seek for red crosses in 'application' and 'system' categories (source column) - it may say a lot about problems too.


edit _____


the normal fan + open case can be a good idea if this is a graphic card overheating problem.
Good luck
#10
Thanks Maddogb, will try your suggestions to.
#11
menu 'start'/control panel/administrative tools/event viewer/ - seek for red crosses in 'application' and 'system' categories (source column) - it may say a lot about problems too.



I did look at that and there were loads of red crosses but nothing that meant anything to me!! Computer is upstair in daughters room and can't remember what they said of the top of my head
#12
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kazmcj
menu 'start'/control panel/administrative tools/event viewer/ - seek for red crosses in 'application' and 'system' categories (source column) - it may say a lot about problems too.



I did look at that and there were loads of red crosses but nothing that meant anything to me!! Computer is upstair in daughters room and can't remember what they said of the top of my head


try to post them maybe we will be able to find out what they mean...unfortunately, it does not always is so obvious.. but might show the direction.
#13
Okay. I will have a go tomorrow
1 Like #14
within about five minutes it crashes


Its overheating.

Cant believe even badass didnt even spot that one lol.

It generally runs fine, but comes under load from games and cuts out after heats built up enough for it to shut down.

Yea, its a common problem with the MD8383 and probably a few other Medions.
Basically it was designed rubbish.

Open the side of the case.
Power on as usual, and check the CPU fan, and the Graphics Card fan both work.
If either dont (cant see it being CPU) then thats the problem.
If both work, then the whole things overheating, and thats big trouble.
All you can do is give the whole thing a clean out with a tin of compressed air, unclog the fans and the PSU, and hope for the best.

Theres not much else you can do, as the case has no space for extra cooling fans.
Its a small case, and with lots of heat producing parts, and no internal air circulation so heat just sits there and accumulates.
Bad design. It "Was" high spec in its day, but was put in a low spec case where you dont need cooling and extra vents.
Theres no point replacing Graphics or CPU fans as the air inside the case would be too warm for it anyway, so with no outlet it cant expel the hot air.
The only outlet is the PSU, and the extra heat during gaming, could be overheating that and cutting it out.

You can download Everest and this will give you your temperatures and you should see whats overheating.
Think the Nvidia drivers have a temp monitor in their settings somewhere too.
#15
kazmcj

That guide looks a bit complicated for me and I don't have the bits and bobs to test with anyway:(.


Yet u performed the memory upgrade yourself?
#16
Will try everything suggested this morning once the kids are at school. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions, I really do appreciate it.

Yes I did upgrade the ram myself, I went on crucials web site and used their scan and it told me which ram I needed.
#17
HI again

Dowloaded Everest as suggested

Temperatures read as

Motherboard 47 C
CPU 52c
GPU Diode 112C
GPU Ambient 65C

Cooling fans

CPU 2109 Ram

Volt Values

CPA Core 1.19V
+3.3V 3.36V
+5V Standby 4.41V
VBat Battery 3.09V

Events Errors are mainly these 2

Error: ScardSvr
610: smart card reader winbond wbscr 0 rejected
soctl powered . The smart card is not responding to a reset

Error ACPI o: The operation complete successfully


I am now just about to take the side of and check the fans for dirt etc and feel the heatsink
#18
OH got an air compressor and cleaned out the fans for me.

New readings are Motherboard 40 c
CPU 50c
GPU Diade 85c
GPU Ambient 48C

CPU fan is now 2220 Ram.

Just tried again to run the sims2 this time running fine until I try to make a family then I heard 1 beep and then about a minute later the computer rebooted.
#19
Hmmm GPU is very high.
At 112c thats extremely bad, 80 is bad enough.

Card is probably knackered, but then theres not much in the way of replacements, as in the MD8383 case, any newer card will overheat as much.
Working atm so il go have a think lol
#20
PMSL

Thank you
#21
Yeah the gpu is very high, would actually try n turn the unit on its side or get it up high and switch on to see if the graphics card fan is actually spinning at all
Since the system has been moved also try swapping over the power leadwith ur other pc and make sure its in tight
#22
This is all weird.

The fan on the card definately spins. The computer now blows lots of cold air through the vents and seems pretty cool to touch. Anyhow I thought iI had solved my problems. I ran some test with Everest and also downloaded the finetune from Nvidia site. I let the wizard do it's stuff and configure my settings for me.

After all this, I got into the sims2 games and everything was fine. (loaded fine and was no longer crashing where it used to) Whoopy I thought!!

Anyway, switched the computer off, daughter returns from school, switched it on and now keyboard and mouse won't work. Tried twice still made no difference. Had enough by then, so just switched it off.

This mrning I switched it on , windows loads keyboard and mouse both working fine but now the screen keeps flashing black every few seconds.

Switched it off and rebooted same thing happens only now I get a message on a blue screen saying windows encountered a problem and needs to close.

I am very close to throwing it out the nearest window.
#23
Problem is now the behaviour is that bad it could things could turn nasty v fast, it could be coincidence that the utils have worsended things ,ie hardware failing+extra strain=whole lot worse
Did u actully remove the 512mb stick? asi suggested, would be a good idea to try but it may be too late to save the software, after u have;
Boot into safe mode and use system restore (go back a few days), empty all temp directories(u need to switch on show hidden files and system files ), and defrag
reboot and see what appens, now run a full disk chk, requires a rebbot and may take a good while, also may kill or cure
unfortunately if its impending hard ware failure the chances are it will shortly corrupt some files required for booting so

Check the mainboard for failing capacitors, these are little cylinders that project from the board at right angle usually painted on sides with metal disc top showing, any bulging or leaking

After that its a software rebuild, would depend on the type of restore system u have as a virsus may have infected any hdd based ones, cd/dvd based ones are best
#24
Just seen your message

Yeah all I have in now are the 2 sticks of samsung ram that actually came with the computer.

I am about to try everything you have just suggested.

Will let you know how I get on.

also, not worried about the software being saved as I initially put it back to factory settings, with the recovery disc that came with the computer.
It was a nightmare to restore as I struggled to get it into Bios settings to reboot from disc. Said hit del button on start up, which I did. Managed to change to boot from cd but when I put the disc in it kept going straight to windows. Eventually something happened and I had a screen that said either boot from hard disc or boot from cd. I choose cd and off it went.

On the Medion website there is a download for this computer available to update the Bios. I looked at the instructions though and was worried if I did something wrong i'd knacker evrything up. Would if be worth trying it, if the systems knackered anyway?
#25
kazmcj


On the Medion website there is a download for this computer available to update the Bios. I looked at the instructions though and was worried if I did something wrong i'd knacker evrything up. Would if be worth trying it, if the systems knackered anyway?


Definately!!! do not try this yet, you need to find the cause of the faults, a dodgy ram stick or psu can cause this but could also kill your mainboard during a bios update
#26
Right okay I have done what you suggested.

Double checked the ram, all seated correctly, fan on card is
definately spinning and I cannot see any leakages at all.

When I got into safe mode it wouldn't let me do a system restore or anything else apart from delete the temp files which I did. Rebooted and still got a flashing black screen but was able to get to system restore although it would only let me restore to yesterday, when I put Nvidia fine tune on.

Anyhow, i restored to this date and then did a disc clean up and a disc defrag.

Rebooted - no black flickering screen

looked at temperature as follows:

GPU1 70C
Motherboard 47c
CPU 46c

Fans:

System- 31889 rmp, Nforce: 675 rmp and AUX2: 18rrmp

GPU Core 3d: 401.00 mhz GPU memory: 401.00 mhz

Everything looks fine, tested Sims2 again all working fine.

Rebooted, this time I get a single beep followed by blue background with wavy line for a minute then main windows screen (everything freezes for a second, black screen appears, returns to windows and everything loads up fine.

The monitor is a Samsung LCD Syncmaster 714mp could there be a conflict between the monitor and the card?
#27
Doubtful, best bet is that the gpu has overheated and damaged itself.
70 is far too high but then again i'm not sure we can trust those readings as it is showin your mainboard at a hight temp that the cpu, this is rare indeed
i presume you have done a spyware sweep, try using both the ms and spybot S&d to be sure though i would suggest only using one resident (ie running all time)
Use msconfig, Start,run. type msconfig press enter, goto start up, uncheck all boxes reboot and test
#28
Righ I have run spybot and nothings coming up. Did the msconig, unticked everything and rebooted. It started with no problems. So one at a time I put them back on and rebooted to see which one is the problem.

Good news is I found out it's a start up thing called NVCPL. Rundll32 exe. or something similar. I've googled and it's for Nvidea control panel. Bad news is each time I re-boot the screen goes all funny and it freezes.

It is F8 to get into safemode? It doesn't seem to work. (last time I got in there via msconfig).
#29
dcx_badass
I thought they meant the Sims was crashing and not the PC.

Looks like the GPU is dying, you'll need a new graphics card. a 7600 GT is easily sufficient for what you need. And should be available for under £50.

This might be worth getting:

Nvidia 8600GT 540M 256MB DDR3 Dual DVI TV Out PCI-E Graphics Card - £50.99


It ws intially the sims that crashed. But following all advice, i think it was because everything was overheating. It's now had a good clean with air compressor. Think i do need a new card. Will take a look at your suggestion. May thanks
#30
now that nothings over heating, uninstall the n re install original graphics drivers, might get u thru for a bit
yes it is f8 to get into safe mode saves doing a double boot with msconfig could be ur using a usb keyboard
usb keyboards need to have legacy feature switched on in bios if available, if its not switched on u probably wont get into bios to change it unless u got a ps2 keyboard
could also be with no overheating the time allowed to press f8 is now going very fast, most modern cpus slow down when overheating
#31
I would if i could get in. I re ticked the start up option NVCPL. Rundll32 exe.(before realising this was the one causing my problems) and now after getting into windows I get a patterned screen, followed by a black one and nothing else.

I've tried and tried to get into safe mode to un tick it. Pressing F8 just keep getting a black screen.

I'm seriously peed off now.
#32
yeah as i thought, unless u can attach a ps2 keyb,
the only way without is to pull the plug on the system just after it starts to load windows, next time u power on it should automatically bring up safe mode menu sometimes it goes straight to "safe" but other times it stays on "start windows normally" not found any other way
not got another keyboard with round plug?
#33
Done it thank god! well sort of LOL

Got it to boot from hard disk/ cd

So I chucked the restore disc back in and put back to factory settings again.

Everything seems fine now (although I haven't tried the Sims2 disc yet.

I've updated windows and security settings but nothing else.

I am hoping that now it's no longer overheating, It might load with the original drivers. If not I won't try to download any updated ones as I think it was that Nvidia control panal thing that caused the later problems with the black screen etc.. If it doesn't work I will take baddogs advice and get the new card.

Thank you so much for taking the time to walk me through all that.
#34
I would suggest you go onto fleabay and get the chepest PCI-E graphics card you can get. SIms 2 will usually run on integrated graphics perfectly fine.

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