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"Green" stealth taxes invitable?

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1d, 2m agoPosted 1 decade, 2 months ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095680.stm

So those Plasma TVs that use five times as much power as CRT TV gonna be heavily taxed? That'll be interesting to see :|

Suppose Brown has to be pay off his massive private debt somehow.
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1d, 2m agoPosted 1 decade, 2 months ago
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#1
I like the idea that people should be more conscious of the power consumption of their devices, but I don't think this TAX has anything to do with helping the environment as much as it does helping put money in someone elses pocket.
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#2
So GlobalWarming™ is bad to Africa®? Too bad to them. I won't give a dang for it. As to power consumption, do remember that power (in whatever form) isn't free in this country, so those with more power hungry devices are already paying more.
Instead of forcing people to pay these "taxes for good (is it?) cause", why don't they force manufacturers of ALL equipment to carry power consumption tags, just like those on washing machines and now cars. Help consumers to make an informed choice should be more important rather than simply force them to pay additional taxes for greenes.
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I agree Kommunist...and stop putting "stand by" on electrical products....also come up with a scheme to encourage use of low energy light bulbs.
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currychops
...and stop putting "stand by" on electrical products....also come up with a scheme to encourage use of low energy light bulbs.

This idea is currently being talked about in erm, Government, somewhere.
I think it may be Europe wide, but if not, England is certainly looking to force electronics companies to remove the Standy-By ability from their devices.
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#5
This whole 'green' issue it complete and utter (enter bad word here).

If they go ahead with this and other proposals, I'll have to pay a grand to tax my car? With the other one, thats 2 grand to tax the cars? 1 being a 2.3 and the other being a 3.2, lol. Yer right. I think we'll cause them a lot of hassle. I was part of the M4 go slow to do with speed cameras and that was a kinda success in its on right.

The 'green' issue does not stand. It's a way of saying we are doing good for the environment so we will rob you.

What happened to all those hybrid cars that were designed, were very close to todays petrol car standards? Hmm, let's think. 1000's of brand new, ready to go electric cars got crushed. Why? Because the government and oil companies got together. The oil companies got the go ahead to buy the electric car rights and plans, the government gave the go ahead and grant to crush them all.

The oil companies now own the best avaliable technology when it comes to cars, but will not release it or use it. The government are happy with this, fuel duty is still paid.

The green thing is just an argument to say why they are doing it.
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Kommunist
So GlobalWarming™ is bad to Africa®? Too bad to them. I won't give a dang for it. As to power consumption, do remember that power (in whatever form) isn't free in this country, so those with more power hungry devices are already paying more.
Instead of forcing people to pay these "taxes for good (is it?) cause", why don't they force manufacturers of ALL equipment to carry power consumption tags, just like those on washing machines and now cars. Help consumers to make an informed choice should be more important rather than simply force them to pay additional taxes for greenes.


Kommunist you are spot on :thumbsup:

The EU and especially the UK have decreased the green houses gasses produced steadily since the 1980’ as have countries like china etc. So we are doing our bit, the main culprit if you like is the US. They are the biggest contributor to greenhouse gasses but they are not interested in reducing it.

How ever they are getting a little closer to “helping” they have recently setup a system in the US to monitor the situation, not to decrease or invest money like nearly every other country in the world just to monitor it!!!!!

Ok we all need to do our bit, but if you have a country that refuses to change, what hope do we have!?
#7
Well.. let's not blame US for all sins of the world :) China, India and Russia are polluting no less than US does. But that's not the point.
This government is all about our money. What happened to Powershift grant? The EU gave £24M to the UK specifically for Powershift, but this government decided to spend it on 'Green advertisement' (read: propaganda) instead. I was lucky to buy my Toyota Prius ('04) using Powershift (got 700 quid back) but now no incentives are offered.

They seem to forget that there are only two ways to force people to do something they don't want to do:
1. Massive brainwashing and political pressure (if you don't do what we want you to do then you are bad person and enemy of state/society).
2. Use economy regulators (like cash incentives for example).

Of course, the second route is more difficult as money won't be spent on 'advisors', think tanks, comittees, etc. Also, first route can provide a good and steady income in form of taxes for all those mentioned.

Right now one can buy bio-fuelled car in this country. Is there public awareness of this fact? No. The hybrids are constantly rubbished in all motoring magazines, totally undeserved, IMO. What about Brasil and Sweden -style fuelling strategy (biofuel and spirits) - is there someone talking about it? Why there are no incentives for electrical cars development?
The answer is simple - all this is not about 'green', environment, etc. It is all about money.

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