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banned4y, 4m agoPosted 4 years, 4 months ago
9 men have been found guilty.

Hope they get tough sentences.
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banned 1 Like #121
dga
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

[b]If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.
[/b]

Everything else is just fodder.
So they walked into prison broken human beings, we should try to fix this by doing what exactly? I suppose religion has its uses sometimes.

We will never have a perfect society - we'll always have deviants who partake in this kind of perverse behaviour, regardless of what methods you put in place to try and 'fix' the core of the problem.

It get's complicated when a criminals religious/cultural background is brought into it - it is then used both as an attacking point for innate racists, but more importantly, a crutch for the criminal to play the race card and get a lower sentence.

Stick to the basics and it's far simpler. These scum bags acted in a way that this country thankfully has laws against, they're now in prison, probably losing their front teeth. Done.
banned#122
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

Your use of the English language is making me laugh. This is a serious matter. Try harder.
banned 1 Like #123
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lta3b1KmAv1qii6tmo1_500.gif
banned#124
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

When i was a kid a big group of Asians beat me in the toilets of the Pleasure Beach I became very racist but Punk you have to learn to live and forget mate :D
#125
So their women will be waiting for them outside the prison gates when they're freed? oO

I met a really lovely muslim woman (Iranian) in my gym and the poor woman broke down in front of me telling me how hard her life was being a muslim wife. She liked to keep fit but she said if her husband found out she was exercising in a gym with men he would behead her. She told me that she had reached the end and couldn't care less what he did to her anymore. I can't begin to imagine how hard their lives must be putting up with such dominance.

I haven't seen her lately so I hope she's well wherever she is.
banned 2 Likes #126
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

That'll explain your attitude on here though I'd suggest a different method of therapy.
banned 1 Like #127
LoveHearts
So their women will be waiting for them outside the prison gates when they're freed? oO

I met a really lovely muslim woman (Iranian) in my gym and the poor woman broke down in front of me telling me how hard her life was being a muslim wife. She liked to keep fit but she said if her husband found out she was exercising in a gym with men he would behead her. She told me that she had reached the end and couldn't care less what he did to her anymore. I can't begin to imagine how hard their lives must be putting up with such dominance.

I haven't seen her lately so I hope she's well wherever she is.

:D Comedy value 10/10. Yes, I bet she has been beheaded. We'll catch it on the news later I'm sure. There's usually at least one beheading a day isn't there?
#128
punkstoner1
churchill
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lta3b1KmAv1qii6tmo1_500.gif

I will tell you all about it if you want. I'm not ashamed anymore. I was 13 FFS.

Spare us the details. Your word is sufficient.
#129
JonnyTwoToes
LoveHearts
So their women will be waiting for them outside the prison gates when they're freed? oO

I met a really lovely muslim woman (Iranian) in my gym and the poor woman broke down in front of me telling me how hard her life was being a muslim wife. She liked to keep fit but she said if her husband found out she was exercising in a gym with men he would behead her. She told me that she had reached the end and couldn't care less what he did to her anymore. I can't begin to imagine how hard their lives must be putting up with such dominance.

I haven't seen her lately so I hope she's well wherever she is.


:D Comedy value 10/10. Yes, I bet she has been beheaded. We'll catch it on the news later I'm sure. There's usually at least one beheading a day isn't there?

I honestly don't think she was kidding, unfortunately.
banned#130
punkstoner1
churchill
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lta3b1KmAv1qii6tmo1_500.gif

I will tell you all about it if you want. I'm not ashamed anymore. I was 13 FFS.

No Im fine thanks but good for you for getting over it
banned 2 Likes #131
LoveHearts
JonnyTwoToes
LoveHearts
So their women will be waiting for them outside the prison gates when they're freed? oO

I met a really lovely muslim woman (Iranian) in my gym and the poor woman broke down in front of me telling me how hard her life was being a muslim wife. She liked to keep fit but she said if her husband found out she was exercising in a gym with men he would behead her. She told me that she had reached the end and couldn't care less what he did to her anymore. I can't begin to imagine how hard their lives must be putting up with such dominance.

I haven't seen her lately so I hope she's well wherever she is.

:D Comedy value 10/10. Yes, I bet she has been beheaded. We'll catch it on the news later I'm sure. There's usually at least one beheading a day isn't there?
I honestly don't think she was kidding, unfortunately.

She's definitely been beheaded then.
banned#132
punkstoner1
churchill
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

When i was a kid a big group of Asians beat me in the toilets of the Pleasure Beach I became very racist but Punk you have to learn to live and forget mate :D

have yo learn to live and forget...... No you don't. Thats a social construct.

Racist. Again, a social construct. The dammed word did not even exist until the 1930's It was created by Marxists. I'm not a Marxist.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7243.html

Mods, I think we have an adjon multi here!
#133
JonnyTwoToes
LoveHearts
JonnyTwoToes
LoveHearts
So their women will be waiting for them outside the prison gates when they're freed? oO

I met a really lovely muslim woman (Iranian) in my gym and the poor woman broke down in front of me telling me how hard her life was being a muslim wife. She liked to keep fit but she said if her husband found out she was exercising in a gym with men he would behead her. She told me that she had reached the end and couldn't care less what he did to her anymore. I can't begin to imagine how hard their lives must be putting up with such dominance.

I haven't seen her lately so I hope she's well wherever she is.


:D Comedy value 10/10. Yes, I bet she has been beheaded. We'll catch it on the news later I'm sure. There's usually at least one beheading a day isn't there?

I honestly don't think she was kidding, unfortunately.


She's definitely been beheaded then.

Silly **** :p
banned#134
punkstoner1
churchill
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

When i was a kid a big group of Asians beat me in the toilets of the Pleasure Beach I became very racist but Punk you have to learn to live and forget mate :D

have yo learn to live and forget...... No you don't. Thats a social construct.

Racist. Again, a social construct. The dammed word did not even exist until the 1930's It was created by Marxists. I'm not a Marxist.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7243.html

Yeah I did because if you dont you end up a bitter twisted person and thats a sad road to take
banned#135
JonnyTwoToes
LoveHearts
JonnyTwoToes
LoveHearts
So their women will be waiting for them outside the prison gates when they're freed? oO

I met a really lovely muslim woman (Iranian) in my gym and the poor woman broke down in front of me telling me how hard her life was being a muslim wife. She liked to keep fit but she said if her husband found out she was exercising in a gym with men he would behead her. She told me that she had reached the end and couldn't care less what he did to her anymore. I can't begin to imagine how hard their lives must be putting up with such dominance.

I haven't seen her lately so I hope she's well wherever she is.

:D Comedy value 10/10. Yes, I bet she has been beheaded. We'll catch it on the news later I'm sure. There's usually at least one beheading a day isn't there?
I honestly don't think she was kidding, unfortunately.

She's definitely been beheaded then.

would she be classed as already being in a body bag?
banned#136
Welcome to the discussion MC. Your input has been missed.
#137
FilthAndFurry
colinsunderland
churchill
As much as I hate these scum and hope they burn

The blame for all this does not just lie on their shoulders but also the girls and the parents of the girls

If the girls parents raised their children properly then this could avoided, the fact remains that all our Council Estate Fodders Children run riot as their parents drink Special Brew and Shoot up at home


Do you think girls who wear mini skirts deserve to be raped too?

In his defence, he also blames the shopworker who sold them that skirt, the person who made it and the person who invented mini-skirts in the first place.

To be fair, the same argument could be made about guns...
banned#138
punkstoner1
churchill
punkstoner1
churchill
punkstoner1
2sly
punkstoner1
JonnyTwoToes
dga
deek72

Well he hasn't really has he? All convicted and jailed. No thanks to Griffin though, granted.
Well yeah but in the eyes of the public it doesn't look good, there will be calls for a re-trial and attempted links to racism.

Which will all fail.
This is the point. People are reacting to opinions rather than facts.

The cold facts are:

9 men have been sent to prison for varying sentences because the broke the law of this country.

They will no doubt be abused, subjected to daily beatings and made to live a life of hell for they are in our prisons, by inmates who don't take too kindly to their crimes.

If they make it to the end of their sentences, they'll be scared (mentally, maybe physically) beyond recognition.


Everything else is just fodder.

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.

I actually worked with one of these pedos (the article from 2010 I linked to on page 7).

Bashrat's wife stood by him. He is now a manager at a local tescos branch.

These guys will be treated entirely differently by their communities, than what a white person would be if he/she committed the same offences.

These guys will be treated like heros.

Whitey would be sent to coventry by everyone who knew them, and firebombed out of town.


Wise up.

You make them sound like the mafia

No, I tell it how it is. This is the point of view of a person who was abused 20 years ago, by MUSLIMS, with the AID OF THE STATE.

When i was a kid a big group of Asians beat me in the toilets of the Pleasure Beach I became very racist but Punk you have to learn to live and forget mate :D

have yo learn to live and forget...... No you don't. Thats a social construct.

Racist. Again, a social construct. The dammed word did not even exist until the 1930's It was created by Marxists. I'm not a Marxist.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7243.html

Yeah I did because if you dont you end up a bitter twisted person and thats a sad road to take

We each deal with things differently.

I would doubt those close to me, that I love and trust would call me racist/bitter/twisted. That's all that matters to me.

I wouldnt classed you as a racist either o be honest
banned#139
2sly
Welcome to the discussion MC. Your input has been missed.

Been tied up with the baby. This thread would have been awesome had I been at work this week. I've read it all and there's not much more to add at this late stage.
3 Likes #140
The wider Pakistani community should in Rochdale should also seriously question themselves as I don't believe such a crime can be committed without more people not knowing about it.

I also hope now that Asian / Pakistani politicians wether local or national start taking a proactive view and work with the police in the communities and tackle these issues head on.

Asian politicians play the wilfully blind game to secure their own power and wealth.

Edited By: EN1GMA on May 09, 2012 17:22
banned#141
master_chief
2sly
Welcome to the discussion MC. Your input has been missed.
Been tied up with the baby. This thread would have been awesome had I been at work this week. I've read it all and there's not much more to add at this late stage.

Did your newborn arrive? Hope mother and baby are well. Congratulations btw.
2 Likes #142
churchill
Think saw them with their cousins in funny boyz blackpool

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_BUJPhPlEsk/TiiUqIz8UyI/AAAAAAAAAuA/xYJwIiLuQs8/s1600/article-1374443-0B871D3400000578-465_468x368.jpg


Every time I go past there it has a different name, and an under new management sign. Do the owners really think people are that stupid?
#143
So many money laundering opportunities.
banned#144
punkstoner1
dga
EN1GMA
The wider Pakistani community should in Rochdale should also seriously question themselves as I don't believe such a crime can be committed without more people not knowing about it.

I also hope now that Asian / Pakistani politicians wether local or national start taking a proactive view and work with the police in the communities and tackle these issues head on.

Asian politicians play the wilfully blind game to secure their own power and wealth.
If anything it's easier to interact with the community via the Mosques which must be a good thing, can there be any excuses?

For this trial to come to court, the police traced some 50-60 victims. Many refused to give statements, many truely thought the younger asian lads were there boyfriends.

The police had some 60 men in their sights also (just rochdale).

It was due to the fact that only 5 girls would fully cooperate that charges could only be levelled against 11 men.

This is MASSIVE and pandoras box has truly been opened.

(guardian article over the last couple of days quotes the figures, but really can't find the energy to find it at the mo.)

I tend to agree that it seems to be wider reaching than simply these 9 men, but everyone is tiptoeing around it so as not to offend anyone.

It does seem as though the police were slow to act partly out of the racial implications - even now they refuse to acknowledge any racial element to these crimes.

We seem to be putting 'race relations' ahead of young women's safety.
2 Likes #145
It is a certain mindset, within a particular sub group of Asians from the sub continent where the mind set is of criminality.

I also find it ridiculous that the police is saying there is no racial element. Probably due to the police not wanting to fuel the far right groups even more.

I find it deplorable that only one community leader has come out and said exactly how it is. Many issues to bring up without wanting to simplify the issue.
banned#146
punkstoner1

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............


nor do you

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.


They will get exactly the same protection as any other inmate, depending on which jail they go to they will be on 43's due to their crimes, nothing to do with their race.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.


Rubbish, link to back this up please? They will get muslim food, but to the same standard as any other prisoner.
The IEP scheme is exactly the same for anyone.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.


Probably, but that is down to other muslims, not the prison service.
#147
I agree there is a racial element meaning that these people saw these young girls as easy to manipulate and carry out their crimes. The fact that these girls were white and thus gave the perception to these men of being easy is of course having a racial link.
banned#148
Punk, you not one of the jury members are you?
You have a lot to say about the topic and know specific details. (no hate jus asking)
banned#149
Dehumanization
churchill
Think saw them with their cousins in funny boyz blackpool

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_BUJPhPlEsk/TiiUqIz8UyI/AAAAAAAAAuA/xYJwIiLuQs8/s1600/article-1374443-0B871D3400000578-465_468x368.jpg


Every time I go past there it has a different name, and an under new management sign. Do the owners really think people are that stupid?

I know its crazy as its the same staff lol the people that own it them and members of same family own loads of places in Blackpool and Manchester.

Didnt the owners get something like 200k each for being falsely accused even though evidence was found but had to be thrown out due to police not following procedures

Hey Boris next time you pass right outside is a lamp post, that lamp post knocked me out lol
banned 1 Like #150
FilthAndFurry
punkstoner1
dga
EN1GMA
The wider Pakistani community should in Rochdale should also seriously question themselves as I don't believe such a crime can be committed without more people not knowing about it.

I also hope now that Asian / Pakistani politicians wether local or national start taking a proactive view and work with the police in the communities and tackle these issues head on.

Asian politicians play the wilfully blind game to secure their own power and wealth.
If anything it's easier to interact with the community via the Mosques which must be a good thing, can there be any excuses?

For this trial to come to court, the police traced some 50-60 victims. Many refused to give statements, many truely thought the younger asian lads were there boyfriends.

The police had some 60 men in their sights also (just rochdale).

It was due to the fact that only 5 girls would fully cooperate that charges could only be levelled against 11 men.

This is MASSIVE and pandoras box has truly been opened.

(guardian article over the last couple of days quotes the figures, but really can't find the energy to find it at the mo.)

I tend to agree that it seems to be wider reaching than simply these 9 men, but everyone is tiptoeing around it so as not to offend anyone.

It does seem as though the police were slow to act partly out of the racial implications - even now they refuse to acknowledge any racial element to these crimes.

We seem to be putting 'race relations' ahead of young women's safety.

By sentencing 9 men to lengthy prison terms? Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Fred West get away with his crimes for years due to the inability of the police to act sooner. What do we say about that? They didn't want to upset relations with Gloucester?
#151
Punkstoner, you against the mosque and community to look after the immediate family members of these criminals? I'm. Sure the wives and kids of these criminals are equally ashamed and disgusted at the behavior of these criminals.

I hope the community leaders take stock and tackle this issue instead of burying their heads in the sand.
banned#152
master_chief
2sly
Welcome to the discussion MC. Your input has been missed.


Been tied up with the baby.


Wrong thread to be saying that old boy!
4 Likes #153
I'm muslim pakistani and think it's disgusting. At the end of the day, we are all human and these guys are just sick paedo's.

I do agree that there was probably a racial element in this as they thought of the young white girls as "easy" and would be able to get what they want by giving them free booze, cigarettes etc. However, some very narrow-minded people now think every asian male, mainly muslim pakistani, is a paedo/groomer. There are some really good guys out there so not all asians should be labelled, these are just some pretty messed up individuals, regardless of race/religion.

It's not just asians who have been doing this though. People from all ethics, racial backgrounds and religions and it's been going on since the start of time. Yes it's horrible, but it's true.

Edit- Also IMO, the girls were pretty naiive. I'm not saying they deserved it, no way i would ever wish this on ANYONE but you've got to think about them and why didn't they question themselves on why the men were giving them all the free stuff etc.

Edited By: Twist96 on May 09, 2012 18:24
banned#154
dga
LOL at the BBC interview with local Asian guy, and I quote "They shouldn't be out after 7pm...well it takes two to Tango init"

oO

X). Great reporting. Apparantly showing two sides to the story, and certainly not showing the only pleb they could find who didn't outright condem this situation.
banned#155
punkstoner1
2sly
Punk, you not one of the jury members are you?
You have a lot to say about the topic and know specific details. (no hate jus asking)

No.

Don't want to discuss how I know any details as that start blurring personal and professional life.

The only real specific details as such that I know is the identity of the unnamed 59 year old. I really wish I could blow the lid off what I know.

I really do.

Why? So you could organise a lynch mob? Are you not happy with the sentencing?
#156
churchill
FilthAndFurry
LoveHearts
The parents of these young girls need to take better care of their girls, my youngest is 16 and she's still not allowed out to roam the streets.

You can only smother a child for so long.

No matter how idiotic the parents of these girls, no man should violate a young girl in such a manner. That's something I thought was understood in British culture.

Unfortunately Filth we all know that our British Culture is full of men violating young girls and young boys, these people are not all Asian they are every colour and every religion. Sadly there are more and more groups of Asian men doing this which needs stamping out quickly to avoid devastating consequences.
I assume that is a joke.
banned#157
punkstoner1
colinsunderland
punkstoner1

You clearly know nothing of the prison system.............


nor do you

As muslims these men WILL be afforded protection. You kick one mussie, and you kick them all. This goes for inside too.


They will get exactly the same protection as any other inmate, depending on which jail they go to they will be on 43's due to their crimes, nothing to do with their race.

They will recieve better food, and a higher level of privilages.


Rubbish, link to back this up please? They will get muslim food, but to the same standard as any other prisoner.
The IEP scheme is exactly the same for anyone.

They will be PROTECTED in prison by other muslims. Their families will be looked after on the outside by the mosque and community.


Probably, but that is down to other muslims, not the prison service.



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/uk-prisoners-converting-to-islam-for-better-food-protection-better-treatment.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090042/Feltham-youth-jail-A-inmates-Muslims-large-numbers-convert-better-food.html#ixzz1kCfwQIpM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/06/islamic-young-offenders-extremism


First 2 are daily mail links. so more than likely made up. Third one doesn't mention anything about them getting better food or being treated any better than any other inmate.
None of them say how they have more protection or priviledges

The food is possibly perceived as better by inmates and possibly in some prisons it is. But in the 7 or 8 prisons I have worked in theres no real difference. If anything they get treated worse, I've seen on many occasions prison officers calling them **** ****, rag heads, terrorists etc.
banned 1 Like #158
Gitch28
churchill
FilthAndFurry
LoveHearts
The parents of these young girls need to take better care of their girls, my youngest is 16 and she's still not allowed out to roam the streets.

You can only smother a child for so long.

No matter how idiotic the parents of these girls, no man should violate a young girl in such a manner. That's something I thought was understood in British culture.

Unfortunately Filth we all know that our British Culture is full of men violating young girls and young boys, these people are not all Asian they are every colour and every religion. Sadly there are more and more groups of Asian men doing this which needs stamping out quickly to avoid devastating consequences.
I assume that is a joke.
Why would churchill joke on such a serious issue like this? your sick
banned#159
Gitch28
churchill
FilthAndFurry
LoveHearts
The parents of these young girls need to take better care of their girls, my youngest is 16 and she's still not allowed out to roam the streets.

You can only smother a child for so long.

No matter how idiotic the parents of these girls, no man should violate a young girl in such a manner. That's something I thought was understood in British culture.

Unfortunately Filth we all know that our British Culture is full of men violating young girls and young boys, these people are not all Asian they are every colour and every religion. Sadly there are more and more groups of Asian men doing this which needs stamping out quickly to avoid devastating consequences.
I assume that is a joke.

No why is it not?
#160
punkstoner1
2sly
Punk, you not one of the jury members are you?
You have a lot to say about the topic and know specific details. (no hate jus asking)

No.

Don't want to discuss how I know any details as that start blurring personal and professional life.

The only real specific details as such that I know is the identity of the unnamed 59 year old. I really wish I could blow the lid off what I know about him.

I really do.

OK, will await your PM.......

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