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Gym closed for asbestos removal - should we be worried about our health?

Mrs.Z Avatar
6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
OH uses a local gym.

A couple of weeks ago the gym suddenly closed one afternoon and hasn't re-opened yet.
Rumours were going round that it was to do with asbestos being discovered there, but OH saw the manager outside the gym one day and he flatly denied it and said it was maintenance work - OH said the manager was shocked that OH had mentioned asbestos.

I think it's a government gym, in London, run by GLL - the webpage for this gym has now been updated, stating that it has indeed been closed for asbestos removal.
They are stating that the area they found the asbestos was not accessible to the public, but what if they were covering up?

Should we be worried about OH being exposed to this? Any advice appreciated

Thank yous x
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6y, 9m agoPosted 6 years, 9 months ago
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#1
dont think so, it only really if you working with it like drilling walls etc.
#2
Im no expert but I thought that its only a problem for builders who are handling it. Eg when they break the stuff up it causes the dust.
#3
It's the fibres/spores that get into the air etc you have to worry about when it gets disturbed or when people are working with it as above.

That's when it becomes dangerous to your health.
#4
The only thing you need to worry about with asbestos is the dust, and that is only a problem if it is being drilled. I think it is brown asbesto's that is the danger anyways, and most public buldings used white asbesto's. I could be wrong on that one though.
#5
Better to be safe than sorry.

And of course the manager would say it wasn't asbestos, and the website say that its not where public could reach. After all they don't want to lose customers and get run out of business.
banned#6
I went to the hospital in Aylesbury they had a hole in the roof and all round it was marked Asbestos, I brought it to the managers attention and left it at that.

You'll be safe unless you noticed any damaged roof tiles around? They will deny it because years down the line when you die of an asbestos related illness you could sue them. Our work has already admitted liability for any asbestos related illnesses as it's everywhere at my work and we weren't informed of it before we started working there.
#7
Lost Symphonies
Better to be safe than sorry.

And of course the manager would say it wasn't asbestos, and the website say that its not where public could reach. After all they don't want to lose customers and get run out of business.


That's what we are worried about - obviously if it does cause OH problems it won't be for long time yet :-(

You just hear stories about asbestos related lung cancer, wanted to do some research on it but it sounds as though the gym have copped out about any possible exposure :thinking:
#8
landofdan
dont think so, it only really if you working with it like drilling walls etc.


deb8z
It's the fibres/spores that get into the air etc you have to worry about when it gets disturbed or when people are working with it as above.

That's when it becomes dangerous to your health.


Am just trying to read into it more, thanks
#9
Buildings up until the late 1980's used asbestos for fire protection heating pipe lagging etc. Unless damaged the material should not creat a problem. Because of this vast amount of material used over the last 100 years most organisations have monitoring programs and on going work either to repair minor surface damage or replacement as areas are upgraded .


Any way it will normally take 30 years before any medical problems occur, so I am afraid you will not be able to lawyer up or put in a claim for compensation until then.
#10
Kitten13
The only thing you need to worry about with asbestos is the dust, and that is only a problem if it is being drilled. I think it is brown asbesto's that is the danger anyways, and most public buldings used white asbesto's. I could be wrong on that one though.


Wrong
banned#11
Mrs.Z
Am just trying to read into it more, thanks


I wouldn't bother, worked myself into a right state reading into it more. If your husband has been going for a long time though, I would certainly push to have the gym admit asbestos was present and to get the reason why it is being removed. Put in a freedom of information request if you have to :thumbsup:
#12
Here is their gym page as it is now
banned#13
Mrs.Z
Here is their gym page as it is now


I wouldn't worry about it then, unless you want to request to see the public area air samples for peace of mind. Could be a cop out.
#14
lumoruk
I wouldn't bother, worked myself into a right state reading into it more. If your husband has been going for a long time though, I would certainly push to have the gym admit asbestos was present and to get the reason why it is being removed. Put in a freedom of information request if you have to :thumbsup:


It's crazy how they are just letting people keep working there :x
banned#15
Mrs.Z
It's crazy how they are just letting people keep working there :x


We are having some asbestos removed from our office soon, we have to relocate 9 police/guard dogs to temporary premises = nightmare.
#16
no, the best gyms are where the weights are all broken, then benches are ripped, half the machines dont work, needles on the floor, rocky style.

get yourshelf to virgin active or something if your not srerious about working out
#17
Mrs.Z
That's what we are worried about - obviously if it does cause OH problems it won't be for long time yet :-(

You just hear stories about asbestos related lung cancer, wanted to do some research on it but it sounds as though the gym have copped out about any possible exposure :thinking:


It would depend on what condition the asbestos was in when it was found and in what location if there was any chance of exposure to the public.

Employers have a duty of care under Regs to carry out surveys of their premises and risk assess the materials they believe to be asbestos. This doesn't mean it must be removed, as it poses little dangers if it is in good condition and out of the way of most people.

Given they have informed the public, taken air samples etc, I would deem that satisfactory. Obviously, given that you say this is a council owned premises, the HSE will be overseeing any works that are required to be done, are done to specific standards and a Work Method Statement.

I think you're making too many assumptions and are being a little unfair and sceptical regards the business.
#18
Mrs.Z
It's crazy how they are just letting people keep working there :x


Because they are allowed to.

They will have produced a Method Statement detailing how they are going to contain the works and thereby reduce the risk of exposure to anyone there a an agreed level.

the area where the asbestos is being removed will be contained using specialist equipment - decontamination areas for the workers involved etc.
#19
Most buildings that are built before 1983 have sone Asbestos in and as long as it is sealed with no breaks or cracks or damage at all it will be fine.
#20
moob
It would depend on what condition the asbestos was in when it was found and in what location if there was any chance of exposure to the public.

Employers have a duty of care under Regs to carry out surveys of their premises and risk assess the materials they believe to be asbestos. This doesn't mean it must be removed, as it poses little dangers if it is in good condition and out of the way of most people.

Given they have informed the public, taken air samples etc, I would deem that satisfactory. Obviously, given that you say this is a council owned premises, the HSE will be overseeing any works that are required to be done, are done to specific standards and a Work Method Statement.

I think you're making too many assumptions and are being a little unfair and sceptical regards the business.


+1 Spot on that reply
#21
moob
It would depend on what condition the asbestos was in when it was found and in what location if there was any chance of exposure to the public.

Employers have a duty of care under Regs to carry out surveys of their premises and risk assess the materials they believe to be asbestos. This doesn't mean it must be removed, as it poses little dangers if it is in good condition and out of the way of most people.

Given they have informed the public, taken air samples etc, I would deem that satisfactory. Obviously, given that you say this is a council owned premises, the HSE will be overseeing any works that are required to be done, are done to specific standards and a Work Method Statement.

I think you're making too many assumptions and are being a little unfair and sceptical regards the business.


I am not trying to be unfair, I did patently say that I am worried because of the stories you hear about cancer and stuff and asked for information from others who have more knowledge than me.
#22
moob
Because they are allowed to.

They will have produced a Method Statement detailing how they are going to contain the works and thereby reduce the risk of exposure to anyone there a an agreed level.

the area where the asbestos is being removed will be contained using specialist equipment - decontamination areas for the workers involved etc.


I understand your point, thank you for your replies :)
But in Lumoruk's case, for example, reducing the risk isn't enough in my eyes - speaking completely separate from the gym.
#23
Asbestos will not pose any risk to health unless it is disturbed in some way and the fibres get into the air. In many cases where asbestos is found, it is in good condition and does not pose any risk, however it is removed purely as a precaution.

The fact that the gym have now publicly stated (on their website) that they have found, and are in the process of removeing, asbestos would suggest that they are doing what they should be doing in accordance with existing regulations - if not it would be too easy for the relevant authorities to intervene.

In other words - don't worry about it!!!
#24
Mrs.Z
I am not trying to be unfair, I did patently say that I am worried because of the stories you hear about cancer and stuff and asked for information from others who have more knowledge than me.


Well, perhaps I didn't interpret these statements properly:

They are stating that the area they found the asbestos was not accessible to the public, but what if they were covering up?

You just hear stories about asbestos related lung cancer, wanted to do some research on it but it sounds as though the gym have copped out about any possible exposure

It's crazy how they are just letting people keep working there
1 Like #25
Mrs.Z
I understand your point, thank you for your replies :)
But in Lumoruk's case, for example, reducing the risk isn't enough in my eyes - speaking completely separate from the gym.


It's the Law - the regulations stipulate: 'reduce the risk to the lowest levels reasonably practicable'

The basis of this being if you remove the potential of exposure to a hazard, then there should be no or little risk. It is almost impossible to completely remove risk.

As I said before, you're not aware of the intricacies of how they are managing this, you're acting on supposition that they're not managing it effectively - which again, is unfair.

If you really have concerns, phone up the HSE and ask to speak to the Officer who has dealt with this and I'm sure he/she will alleviate your concerns.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/index.htm
banned#26
Repped Moob for talking sense :thumbsup:
#27
moob
It's the Law - the regulations stipulate: 'reduce the risk to the lowest levels reasonably practicable'

The basis of this being if you remove the potential of exposure to a hazard, then there should be no or little risk. It is almost impossible to completely remove risk.

As I said before, you're not aware of the intricacies of how they are managing this, you're acting on supposition that they're not managing it effectively - which again, is unfair.

If you really have concerns, phone up the HSE and ask to speak to the Officer who has dealt with this and I'm sure he/she will alleviate your concerns.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/index.htm


Thanks again Moob, you have provided me with some useful information.
Btw, when I said about 'it's crazy they're still letting people work there', that was about Lumoruk's workplace.

I don't think I was being completely out of this world in wondering if they could have covered up the risk to the patrons who use the gym and I did not make the assumption that they are not managing it efficiently at all

I have not been asking about where can I go for compensation or anything like that, was just asking if we should be worried

:thumbsup:
#28
No worries, maybe just so you're more reassured - give the HSE a wee call as I suggested.
#29
moob
No worries, maybe just so you're more reassured - give the HSE a wee call as I suggested.


Will do, thanks again :)
banned#30
http://www.philadelphia-reflections.com/images/panic-button.jpg

And why not sue them.................
#31
I would be worried, all that time with no exercise!!
#32
mikebike
Most buildings that are built before 1983 have sone Asbestos in and as long as it is sealed with no breaks or cracks or damage at all it will be fine.


Buildings built pre 2000 are at risk :thumbsup:
#33
My uncle died of asbestosis, really bad it was. Took two days to cremate him.
banned#34
davelfc
My uncle died of asbestosis, really bad it was. Took two days to cremate him.


Brilliant! :thumbsup:
#35
:thumbsup: LOL

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